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Rust's catharsis (or what caused it) is quite open to interpretation, which is exactly how this particular subject should be framed, as far as I'm concerned. Those beautiful tracking vista shots nailed that stance perfectly.
 
The best part is you can picture Rust and Marty having a few beers and tossing barbs back and forth and flipping eachother the bird for years to come.

Bros 4 life.
 
The end was good, if only there wasn't all that fluff in the middle.

Also why can't occult psychos keep a clean house?
Seriously, I felt like I was getting a disease just by looking at that building.

The sacrifice cave actually looked cleaner!
 
True Bros for life!

Great final episode. Rust's breakdown at the end is gonna win him an Emmy. What a great way for these two guys to go out.

And no I don't think he found religion. Just found a little something to hang onto, a reason to keep going. And of course in a way it makes his life harder.
 
I love it. Amazing.

The cinematography is absolutely incredible in this show. There's not enough hyperbole and superlatives to describe this excellence in film-making - in a TV show.

Rust's near-death experience bummed me a bit, but I don't think they were going for some kind of spiritual epiphany. edit: This -
gdt said:
And no I don't think he found religion. Just found a little something to hang onto, a reason to keep going. And of course in a way it makes his life harder.
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I'm diving into the True Detective reading list immediately this week.
 
I thought for sure there would be some karmic retribution for all the sketchy and illegal as fuck operations and coverups that Marty and Rust pulled, I was very surprised they got such a clean cut ending.
 
I like to think that the phenomenon Rust saw was a manifestation of all the black magic that had been performed in that structure.

He was just more in-tuned so he could see it.

Or it could of just been in his head. But I find it more fun to believe a supernatural interpretation.
 
Gozer the Gozerian said:
I thought for sure there would be some karmic retribution for all the sketchy and illegal as fuck operations and coverups that Marty and Rust pulled, I was very surprised they got such a clean cut ending.
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Definitely. The entire time their fates were unclear at the scene of the conflict, there was this terrifying sense of dread. That somehow the powers that be might end up pinning something on Rust and Marty (of course the evidence packages nipped a bit of that concern, but in the moment anything seemed possible).
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Gozer the Gozerian said:
I thought for sure there would be some karmic retribution for all the sketchy and illegal as fuck operations and coverups that Marty and Rust pulled, I was very surprised they got such a clean cut ending.
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No evidence to tie them to any of it. All witnesses at the Leydoux/Childress camps dead or catatonic, Marty/Rust fabricated crime scenes, etc. Even when they shook down that old woman they did it under false pretenses.
 
I really liked the scene of Marty's daughters in the hospital, the older one just getting past her goth phase and what that said about the themes was a lot better than any stupid conspiracy involving her that people thought up of
 
I looked up Carcosa and read the wikipedia page on it. Found something interesting:

"In the 2012 video game Mass Effect 3, players can visit a planet called Carcosa, located in the Agaiou star system within the Nimbus Cluster. A brief description of the planet mentions a crumbling ruin overlooking a huge, dry lake bed. Additionally, one of the two stars which the planet orbits is called 'Hali'."

Pretty neat!
 
White Man said:
What a shitty, anticlimactic ending. After the credits I shut my Macbook Air and split the laptop in half with my knee, spraying parts across the room, killing it. No joke.
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Some of these reviews and stuff are so bizarre

his instantaneous mimicry of James Mason based on watching 10 seconds of North by Northwest. That was supposed to suggest what exactly?
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As if it's a given this is the only footage of North by Northwest he's ever seen, and ignoring Pizzolatto's reasoning.

Honestly it fucking surprises me that so many of these people are paid to write about this show and others, when there's a myriad of better, well thought out reactions to the finale on GAF and beyond.

Same person

But more important were the unexplained plot points. So: Errol is in the process of slowly killing his “daddy.” Actual father? Some kind of father figure? Why? Why now? (And, on a narrower note, why is Errol promising to bring the poor fellow water later, given that he’s already sewn his lips shut?)
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HE IS A FUCKING CRAZY SERIAL KILLER
 
Solo said:
No evidence to tie them to any of it. All witnesses at the Leydoux/Childress camps dead or catatonic, Marty/Rust fabricated crime scenes, etc. Even when they shook down that old woman they did it under false pretenses.
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Yeah I mean it makes sense and all from a plotting standpoint, I just figured their obsession with the case and illegal actions were going to be a thematic part of the ending
 
Anton Sugar said:
Oh man, I watched the finale in a public place. Was quite difficult during the bro moments, Marty crawling over to Rust. #concealdontfeel

Light vs Dark has absolutely nothing to do with religion, in my eyes. I'm an atheist and had no problem with the ending. I DID worry that Rust's final vision/realization was going to be "I saw all my loved ones up there, happy blah blah blah" but it seemed more that he finally achieved clarity into what was important in his life, rather than some heavenly vision.

With this over, y'all need to migrate over to the other best and most beautiful show on TV, Hannibal. We could use the ratings.
please god help us
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I like Hannibal but the writing on that show compared to this one is like going from Faulkner to Dan Brown.
 
Is there any chance we'll get "extended" episodes in the blu-ray set? Not sure how much extra material was shot or if Pizza/Fukunaga are going to go all Nolan on any "deleted" scenes.

Thought it was interesting that Errol's accents were due to him watching movies to learn how to talk again after being scarred so young.
 
Gozer the Gozerian said:
Yeah I mean it makes sense and all from a plotting standpoint, I just figured their obsession with the case and illegal actions were going to be a thematic part of the ending
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Yeah, my bad. I just caught your usage of karma. That would have been an interesting avenue to explore too. But I'm quite pleased with the rather surprising note of optimism the season ended on.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I like Hannibal but the writing on that show compared to this one is like going from Faulkner to Dan Brown.
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Oh, I agree. I wouldn't say it's that much of a step down, but it is definitely a notch below TD. It mostly fits with the operatic/stylized nature of the show, though.

Still, like TD's flaws, it's not enough to drop it from being one of the best on TV, IMO.
 
“There was a moment, I know, when I was under in the dark, that something… whatever I’d been reduced to, not even consciousness, just a vague awareness in the dark. I could feel my definitions fading. And beneath that darkness there was another kind—it was deeper—warm, like a substance. I could feel man, I knew, I knew my daughter waited for me, there. So clear. I could feel her. I could feel … I could feel the peace of my Pop, too. It was like I was part of everything that I have ever loved, and we were all, the three of us, just fading out. And all I had to do was let go, man. And I did. I said, ‘Darkness, yeah.’ and I disappeared. But I could still feel her love there. Even more than before. Nothing. Nothing but that love. And then I woke up.”
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While this isn't a declaration of his new belief of God, it is leaning towards the belief in something beyond. An afterlife where the the people he loves are waiting for him. And if it isn't that, then can someone explain what any of this means because I'll be honest in saying that I don't get it.

Also, people said he now has a better appreciation of life. I got the impression that he was pretty much done with life. Based on that speech (I said, ‘Darkness, yeah.’ - classic McConaughey line delivery there) and the line that preceded it being something like, "I don't belong here." ...Maybe I'm remembering that preceding line wrong.
 
thecouncil said:
While this isn't a declaration of his new belief of God, it is leaning towards the belief in something beyond. An afterlife where the the people he loves are waiting for him. And if it isn't that, then can someone explain what any of this means because I'll be honest in saying that I don't get it.

Also, people said he now has a better appreciation of life. I got the impression that he was pretty much done with life. Based on that speech (I said, ‘Darkness, yeah.’ - classic McConaughey line delivery there) and the line that preceded it being something like, "I don't belong here." ...Maybe I'm remembering that preceding line wrong.
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Remember, "Death is not the end." Sounded ominous, but Rust learns to accept that it isn't.

Rust's last line is optimistic.
 
thecouncil said:
While this isn't a declaration of his new belief of God, it is leaning towards the belief in something beyond. An afterlife where the the people he loves are waiting for him. And if it isn't that, then can someone explain what any of this means because I'll be honest in saying that I don't get it.

Also, people said he now has a better appreciation of life. I got the impression that he was pretty much done with life. Based on that speech (I said, ‘Darkness, yeah.’ - classic McConaughey line delivery there) and the line that preceded it being something like, "I don't belong here." ...Maybe I'm remembering that preceding line wrong.
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Like someone else said earlier, I think it's more of an acceptance of how he felt towards his daughter and father, his love for them, and the affirmation of that and being human. He'd been rejecting it for most of his life because he was convinced it wasn't important or maybe that he didn't deserve it.
 
Solo said:
Yeah, my bad. I just caught your usage of karma. That would have been an interesting avenue to explore too. But I'm quite pleased with the rather surprising note of optimism the season ended on.
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That was really so great. With pop culture's obsession with antiheroes and badassery and cynicism, it was really incredible to see a show embrace those tropes but then come out the other end on a positive note, but get there in a completely organic and believable way.

That alone elevates it above every other show that's ever been on television; shows that drown in their own cynicism by the end (The Wire), or don't quite earn their positive outcome (LOST), or give an asshole maybe just a little bit too much good grace in the end (Breaking Bad), or stop existing after four seasons (The West Wing), or didn't quite get their chance to stick their intended landing (Deadwood).

True Detective is already the best there ever was or has been. Looking forward to what's next.
 
I auditioned for the part in New York but originally auditioned for the role of Beth, the prostitute that Marty investigated when she was younger and ends up sleeping with her later on.
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Then she goes on to play the dudes daughter, lol.
 
thecouncil said:
While this isn't a declaration of his new belief of God, it is leaning towards the belief in something beyond. An afterlife where the the people he loves are waiting for him. And if it isn't that, then can someone explain what any of this means because I'll be honest in saying that I don't get it.
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It's left up to viewers to decide, and what they do decide, is probably based on their preexisting leanings in this matter.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Don't be sad. We're going to do it all over again next season.
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No news on this front yet, right? I gather we won't see it in 2015? :(

And yeah, I'll miss this thread. Cornballer seriously went way above and beyond in providing info and keeping the thread updated.

Basically, whatever ending Pizza wrote, it wouldn't satisfy everyone. Regardless if he connected Marty's daughter, etc., someone, somewhere will find a problem with it. Personally, I'm fine with the ending. I would have liked some other questions answered, but going wit the show's theme, that wasn't going to be the case.

What I particularly like is how grounded everything is and not everything gets tied up in a nice ribbon...because let's face it, that doesn't happen always in real-life.

I didn't see Rust finding religion, but he did find the warmth of his family -- and the fact that there's something beyond. I dunno, it feels like a nice conclusion to his character. He might or might not be a pessimistic, jaded asshole now. It's all up to us. But we do know he "saw" or felt that there's consciousness beyond, which is what broke him.

Cannot wait for Season 2. It can go the supernatural route, maybe do something cookie-cutter, I'm all for it. I trust these guys to make a good show and not procedural #1928 that's already on air.
 
Getting through this thread today almost as epic as that finale.

newjeruse said:
I'm surprised they went with green paint. Green John Deere earmuffs seemed like a much more likely find. I don't really get the paint thing to be honest.
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This was a stretch, when we had already been given a different valid reason for green ears (earmuffs/ear plugs) seemed like a much more obscure pull, but whatever. Good for Marty!

duckroll said:
Dora Lange definitely isn't part of the cult murders imo. It doesn't fit the profile established. It happened in '95 when Eddie was governor and Billy Lee was already a famous evangelical. Why would they kill an adult and make it a big public thing when they have so much to lose? They wouldn't. It was Errol trying to go LOOK AT ME PA!

Decades ago there were a bunch of dudes who were in a child killing cult. They were mostly part of the Tuttle family and extended family who settled in Louisiana a long time ago. One guy became a rich and popular evangelical preacher who has his own foundation. His cousin became the governor of the state and later the senator.

Sam Tuttle (the preacher's father) had a bunch of mistresses and illegitimate children. He made sure those children would be looked after and protected. One of those illegitimate families is the Childress family. Errol (the killer) is one of Sam's grandchildren in the Childress family. He was abused by his father when he was young and got scars all over his face. Like many other people in the family, he was brought up in the cult's practices.

As time went by, the younger generation in the cult got their own ideas and did their own killings. Errol is the main component of this, and starting with Dora Lange he started trying to draw attention to his work. When the older people realized this they tried to put a lid on it because it's bad form to draw attention to these acts. It's inconvenient for them. But they probably didn't want to kill one of their own either. So they were trying to protect him from himself by hiding stuff.

Rust broke into Billy Lee Tuttle's houses in 2010, and he found the photos and tape which explained that there was a cult behind some of the disappearances and killings in the 80s and early 90s. That's just the origin of why Errol believes in what he does and does what he does today though. He doesn't take any orders and he doesn't give any orders anymore.
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This. Errol had scars all over. And who knows how he got the face scars to begin with. And look what he did to his own daddy when he became the man of the house. I think from Carcosa we can tell this family has been up to weird shit for years. Errol is not the Yellow King (if there ever was a real one), but maybe he thought he was. I really appreciated his subtle multiple personality shifts. I think it's safe to say the boy had issues. What was his line about nearing the final stage? I need that quoted.

biosnake20 said:
Were the stars at the end supposed to be in the form of something?
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They way they blinked did indicate some kind of pattern, but I couldn't make it out.

B33 said:
His parting words: "The light's winning."
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It was the only slight disappointment I had with the ending. Seemed too optimistic, even after having a near death experience. I would have much preferred "I think the light's putting up a good fight at least" or something. But still.

talisayNon said:
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And this. He was inside? He wasn't looking through the opening in the chamber? I thought he was looking at a wall mural and started tripping out. This, the blinking stars and our boy's monologue are what remain to be dissected.

Loved how he called Rust little priest. That's what he was saying, right?
 
So when Rust was in the "throne room" and looked up at the dome overhead, did anyone else expect to see Hannibal's head pop through the hole and say "Hello. I love your work."?

Someone should get on editing those together.
 
Duallusion said:
It's left up to viewers to decide, and what they do decide, is probably based on their preexisting leanings in this matter.
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I think that Rust simply had a powerful near death experience, but that it was still meaningful as it forced him to come to terms with the fact that he is capable of a deep, overwhelming love for other people. Of course, there is a touch of sadness, as the people that he feels this connection to are dead. Yet still, there is a touch of optimism, as he's clearly opened himself up to Marty, and maybe there is room for others in the future.
 
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