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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st
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Loved the ending. Like Rusts characters arc, grounded him into a more realistic person who struggles with belief yet will cling to an experience if it means that he can see his family again.
One thing I want to discuss. I felt a certain drop in the quality of the cinematography in the last two episodes. The dialog and story was still good, but it felt closer to TV than cinema. I confirmed this to myself by skimming the previous episodes. I think it's a combo of a lot of aspects.
1. A much slower pace to the story. Very methodical and enjoyable.
2. The color grading seemed more strong in the flashback sequences as well. Maybe intentional to show how the minds eye of the past is exaggerated.
One thing I want to discuss. I felt a certain drop in the quality of the cinematography in the last two episodes. The dialog and story was still good, but it felt closer to TV than cinema. I confirmed this to myself by skimming the previous episodes. I think it's a combo of a lot of aspects.
1. A much slower pace to the story. Very methodical and enjoyable.
2. The color grading seemed more strong in the flashback sequences as well. Maybe intentional to show how the minds eye of the past is exaggerated.
Extra Sauce
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True Detective Season 2: After burying her father, Audrey Hart moves back to Louisiana to settle an old score.
Officerrob
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I think season 2 is going to be as far from the south as possible
MisterNugNug
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Montana?
Officerrob
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I get the feeling that unless some supernatural being burst from Errol's chest, certain people were not going to be happy.
that explains why i had to wait 3 hrs to watch the finale, lol.
While I loved the finale and all its amazing tension. This reddit post also has some merit, it also might be the opinion of more of us when the dust settles.
"I'll say it, I was let down... not by the show as a whole, but by the finale. I don't think it did the series justice. Maybe it needed more time? More episodes? Maybe I wanted there to be more meaning in the prior episode symbols than there actually were? I don't know... For me, some inbred idiot in the woods being the bad guy just didn't do it for me. Even if there were bigger and more powerful men behind it, it didn't matter because that wasn't resolved.
I feel selfishly unfulfilled. Though I will say that Rust's final words are very moving, and Matthew Mcconaughey should be in every movie/show for the remainder of history. I just wish there was a bigger twist at the end, but I guess that's life. Sometimes there's a happy ending with no real closure."
"I'll say it, I was let down... not by the show as a whole, but by the finale. I don't think it did the series justice. Maybe it needed more time? More episodes? Maybe I wanted there to be more meaning in the prior episode symbols than there actually were? I don't know... For me, some inbred idiot in the woods being the bad guy just didn't do it for me. Even if there were bigger and more powerful men behind it, it didn't matter because that wasn't resolved.
I feel selfishly unfulfilled. Though I will say that Rust's final words are very moving, and Matthew Mcconaughey should be in every movie/show for the remainder of history. I just wish there was a bigger twist at the end, but I guess that's life. Sometimes there's a happy ending with no real closure."
Miss.Selfdestruct
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That set design for Carcosa and Errol's house+shack were great. Expecting to see some nice Halloween haunted house decorations inspired by it.
You mean cloud swirling. The stars don't seem to take on any particular shape.
firehawk12
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Really depends on how they choose to submit it, which is the funny part.
If only this didn't already exist. It'd make for an amazing True Detective. (plus one of the detectives is female)
You mean cloud swirling. The stars don't seem to take on any particular shape.
You don't see the black stars? Take off your mask.
chicko1983
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Was a great end to a tv show. Very intense and I enjoyed when they reached the fort and
I would have liked some more fleshing out on the daughter's story and also if they showed who else was part of the cult.
To me it is a bit unbelievable that
when both Rust and Marty had been stabbed by Errol, I thought that they were both going to die
I would have liked some more fleshing out on the daughter's story and also if they showed who else was part of the cult.
To me it is a bit unbelievable that
the simple gardener was the ringleader of the cult and the Yellow King. I could believe that he was the person kidnapping them for someone but noway would someone like Tuttle or Sheriff Childress take orders from him or even associate with him.
That's... not what happened?
The season absolutely had closure. But only if you focus on the show's themes and the characters. If you focus on the case and see that as the 'point' of the show, then you'll certainly be frustrated.
Errol is not the ringleader of the cult. There is no ringleader anymore because they've all died / moved on in their life. Errol is what's left of the whole thing, he's left to watch over the land etc but he still kills because HE has this fascination with confrontation which drives him to murder more kids.
The higher ups never took orders or associated with him, most people didn't know him which is what he and probably the leaders wanted, an all watching eye while they deal with the big stuff (one was a senator and the other died but he was also pretty powerful politics wise).
As for the Yellow King it's not a person, it's an idea, an idol, it's basically the altar they have in Carcosa, this album helps shed more light not seen in the show.
The higher ups never took orders or associated with him, most people didn't know him which is what he and probably the leaders wanted, an all watching eye while they deal with the big stuff (one was a senator and the other died but he was also pretty powerful politics wise).
As for the Yellow King it's not a person, it's an idea, an idol, it's basically the altar they have in Carcosa, this album helps shed more light not seen in the show.
Carcosa, Him Robes, Rejoice.
Just finished it. The resolution was solid, and went as expected. No big twist or tragedy, but amazing performances by the two leads,. The final moments of the episode was straight up amazing to watch.
Loved Insomnia. It would have made a really good True Detective Story.
If only this didn't already exist. It'd make for an amazing True Detective. (plus one of the detectives is female)
Loved Insomnia. It would have made a really good True Detective Story.
He was only the leader of his own offshoot. The conspiracy side of it was far larger, though I'd imagine Errol and Ledoux together would be a pretty intimidating pair.
From reading some interviews with the author the Yellow King is just the deity they worship.
chicko1983
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It isn't?!? what is your take then?
Maybe that is why I am a little frustrated because the case seems unsolved, at least the other people involved in the cult needed to be caught.
I think it goes like this with the cult(s)
1. Tuttle / Childress family cult, this is how dora lange died.
2. Reggie, Dewall & Errol, this is a seperate cult that follows the same rules but has different members, that's why errol knew they were with Reggie and Dewall
3. Errol all by himself, the last member of the family cult following what he's been raised to do. Since we don't have a timeline of the shoes, and the shirts etc we can't really know how many kids he killed after.
1. Tuttle / Childress family cult, this is how dora lange died.
2. Reggie, Dewall & Errol, this is a seperate cult that follows the same rules but has different members, that's why errol knew they were with Reggie and Dewall
3. Errol all by himself, the last member of the family cult following what he's been raised to do. Since we don't have a timeline of the shoes, and the shirts etc we can't really know how many kids he killed after.
The spiral is large, it involves a lot of people and THATS why the Tuttle family will get off.
chicko1983
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Officerrob
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Sure, but that's not Marty and Rust's story. Like other's have stated, this is why True Detective feels like it's much more grounded in reality. This wasn't a show of two superhuman cops taking down a grand cult cover-up that included child rape, kidnapping, and murder which can be connected back to a governor, senator, and the church. That's far beyond the scope of what these two characters were.
blainethemono
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Didn't they specifically link DNA evidence at Errol's place to Dora Lange though
Maninthemirror
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its 4 am. I just realised. Rust always used to think as our body and the end of it as something that is somewhat wasteful and his near death experience brought him the closest to what he thought should be what should happen to everyone on earth because nothing has meaning in life and after...yet in the final dying moments, in those few seconds he really felt something he had not probably ever, sense of love, loving and being loved
chicko1983
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fingerprints I think they said? He could have touched her stuff years later I suppose.
Dora Lange definitely isn't part of the cult murders imo. It doesn't fit the profile established. It happened in '95 when Eddie was governor and Billy Lee was already a famous evangelical. Why would they kill an adult and make it a big public thing when they have so much to lose? They wouldn't. It was Errol trying to go LOOK AT ME PA!
Decades ago there were a bunch of dudes who were in a child killing cult. They were mostly part of the Tuttle family and extended family who settled in Louisiana a long time ago. One guy became a rich and popular evangelical preacher who has his own foundation. His cousin became the governor of the state and later the senator.
Sam Tuttle (the preacher's father) had a bunch of mistresses and illegitimate children. He made sure those children would be looked after and protected. One of those illegitimate families is the Childress family. Errol (the killer) is one of Sam's grandchildren in the Childress family. He was abused by his father when he was young and got scars all over his face. Like many other people in the family, he was brought up in the cult's practices.
As time went by, the younger generation in the cult got their own ideas and did their own killings. Errol is the main component of this, and starting with Dora Lange he started trying to draw attention to his work. When the older people realized this they tried to put a lid on it because it's bad form to draw attention to these acts. It's inconvenient for them. But they probably didn't want to kill one of their own either. So they were trying to protect him from himself by hiding stuff.
Rust broke into Billy Lee Tuttle's houses in 2010, and he found the photos and tape which explained that there was a cult behind some of the disappearances and killings in the 80s and early 90s. That's just the origin of why Errol believes in what he does and does what he does today though. He doesn't take any orders and he doesn't give any orders anymore.
Decades ago there were a bunch of dudes who were in a child killing cult. They were mostly part of the Tuttle family and extended family who settled in Louisiana a long time ago. One guy became a rich and popular evangelical preacher who has his own foundation. His cousin became the governor of the state and later the senator.
Sam Tuttle (the preacher's father) had a bunch of mistresses and illegitimate children. He made sure those children would be looked after and protected. One of those illegitimate families is the Childress family. Errol (the killer) is one of Sam's grandchildren in the Childress family. He was abused by his father when he was young and got scars all over his face. Like many other people in the family, he was brought up in the cult's practices.
As time went by, the younger generation in the cult got their own ideas and did their own killings. Errol is the main component of this, and starting with Dora Lange he started trying to draw attention to his work. When the older people realized this they tried to put a lid on it because it's bad form to draw attention to these acts. It's inconvenient for them. But they probably didn't want to kill one of their own either. So they were trying to protect him from himself by hiding stuff.
Rust broke into Billy Lee Tuttle's houses in 2010, and he found the photos and tape which explained that there was a cult behind some of the disappearances and killings in the 80s and early 90s. That's just the origin of why Errol believes in what he does and does what he does today though. He doesn't take any orders and he doesn't give any orders anymore.
If you look closely you can almost make out a tentacle.
lol all you fuckers gone off to sleep while I am here now.
chicko1983
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That makes sense.
To y'all saying Audrey was a red herring - you do understand that she could still be a victim of child abuse but it not being part of the resolution to the show?
Pretty sure a big thing for Nic Pizzalotto is that not everything gets tied up into a neat little bow at the end.
Citizen Mane
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"Secret occult history of the United States transportation system" Does anyone know anything about this?
But that doesn't really line up with their MO. The only time we hear about a kid witnessing any of it and living to tell the tale is that guy in the bar. And that took place in one of the Tuttle schools. They were all closed by the time Audrey would have gone, and it's never even suggested that Audrey/Maggie ever had anything to do with the Tuttles. I think the Audrey stuff was done on purpose as a way of foreshadowing the show in general, not specifically about her.
Net_Wrecker
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I'm split on the finale. One one hand, the entire segment tracking down Childress in those backwoods was incredibly moody, and the set design was like a surreal walk into hell. Rust hallucinating near the end and the flare were also fantastic visuals. Obviously the conversation outside the hospital put a stamp on the series and left me satisfied with the arc.
On the other hand, I do feel like the show lost steam in the final 2 episodes, and I can't say I'm a fan of how some of the writing + characters were coming off. I've already mentioned my dislike of the cheesy ending to episode 7 in the thread, but I still felt some of that leaking into the finale. The scenes of Childress being a weirdo just to get across how weird he was weren't nearly as effective as the build up before the botched arrest and fake shootout with Ledoux in episodes 3, 4, and 5. It was just a slight shift in the execution of the show, but it was enough to throw me off. In a lesser series, I'd let it slide because the 2 leads are still absolutely killing every scene, but TD was more than what those last 2 eps made it out to be. Maybe it was the loss of the flashback narrative device, but IDK.
In any case, most of the run was amazing, and I'd keep watching if this was going into a season 2 with the same characters, so that has to mean something. I'll be there for whatever Pizzolatto cooks up for next time.
On the other hand, I do feel like the show lost steam in the final 2 episodes, and I can't say I'm a fan of how some of the writing + characters were coming off. I've already mentioned my dislike of the cheesy ending to episode 7 in the thread, but I still felt some of that leaking into the finale. The scenes of Childress being a weirdo just to get across how weird he was weren't nearly as effective as the build up before the botched arrest and fake shootout with Ledoux in episodes 3, 4, and 5. It was just a slight shift in the execution of the show, but it was enough to throw me off. In a lesser series, I'd let it slide because the 2 leads are still absolutely killing every scene, but TD was more than what those last 2 eps made it out to be. Maybe it was the loss of the flashback narrative device, but IDK.
In any case, most of the run was amazing, and I'd keep watching if this was going into a season 2 with the same characters, so that has to mean something. I'll be there for whatever Pizzolatto cooks up for next time.
I thought the dad was still alive and he was keeping him like that. Punishment for his scars or something? I mean he looked dead, but I swore I saw the guy breathing. Fuck, I don't know. I'm a bit confused by some of it. I really enjoyed the show though.
I thought so at first too, but I think it was only due to the fact that he was talking to him like he was still alive. I don't know.
Extra Sauce
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Not to mention Marty at the end saying something along the lines of "we did not get all of them, but we got ours". I think he was referring to the original case that they were assigned to.
Woke up and first thing I did was watching this and avoiding clicking GAF/Twitter/Facebook
Very satisfied with the ending. Carcosa looked way worse than I've imagined and Rust tracking Childress down was really tense; what a amazing set design. I also liked the the whole build-up with showing Childress talking to his half-sister and all that stuff; really gave him some nice depth.
All in all, really impressed by the whole season. I was satisfied with every episode, probably because instead of reading walls of theories and building up a good amount of false expectations that can't be met, I just let the show surprise me with its own solutions. Great season, great show - will be there for season two in 2020
Very satisfied with the ending. Carcosa looked way worse than I've imagined and Rust tracking Childress down was really tense; what a amazing set design. I also liked the the whole build-up with showing Childress talking to his half-sister and all that stuff; really gave him some nice depth.
All in all, really impressed by the whole season. I was satisfied with every episode, probably because instead of reading walls of theories and building up a good amount of false expectations that can't be met, I just let the show surprise me with its own solutions. Great season, great show - will be there for season two in 2020
Great post, mirrors how I feel. I think I'm satisfied at the end of the day though. It was a bit weird to hear Rust talking about an 'afterlife' of sorts but his performance and the writing was brilliant.
Extra Sauce
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Nic wrote the "you still get those hallucinations?" line to prevent just that kind of misinterpretation.
And it's not super-human strength, it's "corpulent bad guy in a movie" strength.
Oh and I like how Matthew mumbles his last lines so bad the internet collectively goes:
"what did he say at the end?" "what was that all about?"
Struck me as funny.
What a terrible review.
"what did he say at the end?" "what was that all about?"
Struck me as funny.
What a terrible review.
Duallusion
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Somebody needs to gif Marty backing out of the room on a wheelchair, flipping a bird. Nice "bailing out of thread" material there.
Thanks to Nic Pizolatto, Cary Fukunaga and the rest of the crew for making this amazing piece of television. True Detective has been a breath of fresh air, and has engrossed millions around the globe to become detectives themselves in search for the truth.
Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson were amazing. What is there to say about these two that hasn't been said. Fantastic chemistry and amazing performances all around. This is without a shadow of a doubt the best work they've ever done, and to see them do it together was a privilege to watch. They absolutely nailed it.
Now that we've gone down the rabbit hole and seen what's on the other side, we're left to our own devices to make sense of all of it. What we do know is that Rust and Hart did not avert their eyes, they fought to the very end, even though life around them turned upside down countless of times. They asked the right questions, and therefore got the answers they sought out to find. Even though the answers might of been unfullfilling in the end, they got their job done no matter what, and are therefore True Detectives. Their relentless efforts made them come closer to not only everyone around them, but to themselves.
Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson were amazing. What is there to say about these two that hasn't been said. Fantastic chemistry and amazing performances all around. This is without a shadow of a doubt the best work they've ever done, and to see them do it together was a privilege to watch. They absolutely nailed it.
Now that we've gone down the rabbit hole and seen what's on the other side, we're left to our own devices to make sense of all of it. What we do know is that Rust and Hart did not avert their eyes, they fought to the very end, even though life around them turned upside down countless of times. They asked the right questions, and therefore got the answers they sought out to find. Even though the answers might of been unfullfilling in the end, they got their job done no matter what, and are therefore True Detectives. Their relentless efforts made them come closer to not only everyone around them, but to themselves.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103771793&postcount=65
This reads like the eulogy at True Detective's funeral.
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