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It's all relative

This episode of true detective was weaker than prior ones

This weeks episode of black sails was one of the better ones

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I like how Rust just straight up cut off Maggie when she came to the bar.

Also how Rust and Marty are actually hanging out in between detective work.

This means the show will end with both of them drinking beer, telling old war stories and being bros, right?

Right?

Or rust suffers the same fate as his fellow priest time being a flat circle and all.

 

[mf.luder]

I hate when shows are this good and I need to watch on a weekly basis. I want to feed the desire for more. I'm already fearing Game of Thrones in April. And sadly there is only 1 more episode in this current season.

I can't wait for the rewatch once all episodes are released.

I also thought the ending was a little different than what I had come to expect from this show. Definitely overplayed the mysterious random character and almost turned him into a cliche.

 

[ElFly]

It's all relative

This episode of true detective was weaker than prior ones

I don't think it was one of the weaker episodes.

True, it loses some of the impact for not having the interrogation/flashback format, so it feels weird in a series that relied on that for 6 episodes, but in terms of character development, is probably the strongest chapter so far.

 

[mellow]

decent episode, but kind of underwhelming for the penultimate part

though I suppose that's because I'm holding it to it's own insanely high standards

really it did everything it needed to set up the final hour

 

[PBY]

I don't think it was one of the weaker episodes.

True, it loses some of the impact for not having the interrogation/flashback format, so it feels weird in a series that relied on that for 6 episodes, but in terms of character development, is probably the strongest chapter so far.

Strongest chapter of character development ? How? I watch this show pretty much squarely for the characters, and I found this ep overly expository and pretty much all plot driven.

 

[Grimsen]

Strongest chapter of character development ? How? I watch this show pretty much squarely for the characters, and I found this ep overly expository and pretty much all plot driven.

We got Ninja Rust. How is that not good character development?

 

[ElFly]

Strongest chapter of character development ? How? I watch this show pretty much squarely for the characters, and I found this ep overly expository and pretty much all plot driven.

How it cannot be the one with the most character dev?

Marty goes from carrying a gun around Rust, to trusting him completely. We see how their relationship with Maggie ended, we see how each of them have to rely on each other in ways they didn't before, we see Marty become a serious investigator on par with old Rust. We see (ok, are told, vaguely shown) what happened to them during the years they were off the force and how they don't function without each other.

Basically the 95 characters hogged the previous chapters, with the present day being only barely touched during the interrogation, and we got to see the present day characters in full glory in this episode.

 

[Schattenjäger]

Strongest chapter of character development ? How? I watch this show pretty much squarely for the characters, and I found this ep overly expository and pretty much all plot driven.

You see present day Rust and Marty. You see Marty trying to pay his debt. You see Rust and how far he will go to solve this case.
I wouldn't say strongest but def in line with past episodes.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

This was the creepiest episode to me. The way the old woman reacted and those pictures of the people in masks and stuff. Not to mention the video.

 

[GorillaJu]

I understand the complaints in here, there was a bit too much just talking and exposition, too much explaining. But the moments where Rust and Marty catch up were really great, I thought, like where Rust is impressed with Marty's ability to connect the old woman who freaked out with Tuttle in the car... Marty getting visibly irked when Rust lights a cigarette in his Caddy, and the continuation of the 'unreliable narrator' but switched from interrogation by police into the two detectives catching up with each other were things I really liked.

The end was fine, to me. I guess if you wanna say "it's too blatant" that's fine, but we're on the second to last episode here, the subtlety with plot cues worked great early on but it's time to drive the plot home. If it were just one of the first few episodes in the series and you find out some schmuck mowing lawns (is it the same guy from earlier on at the church?) is the 'killer', then it'd be a bit of a let down, but the way he says "My family's been here a long time" hints at many more than just a single antagonist and highlights how even Rust, who thinks it "ends with this man", may not realize what he's gotten himself into.

The end also draws some similarities with the end of episode 3, where Ledoux is shown on camera for the first time. Makes you think that the lawnmower guy is going to be a key to the puzzle, but not the completed picture itself.

 

[kmax]

I think the big reveal here isn't that the lawnmower was the killer á la whodunnit, but to actually see how intertwined the families involved are with the whole conspiracy. The disappearances, the killings, the molestations, the bizarre rituals. It's all coming together now, and It's very disturbing to actually witness how this thing is slowly unfolding. Many members of these families hold such prominent roles in society, and to realise that they've been able to cover their tracks for so long... Had it not been for Rust and Marty's diligent efforts to get to the bottom of this, they still would be at it.

That's the scary part.

I agree that the reveal was a bit tacky at the end, but overall, this show has been excellent, and I can't wait for its conclusion next week.

 

[Schattenjäger]

I don't get why everyone thinks the reveal of Errol is so tacky - thought it was a great ending to an overall great episode

 

[Jarnet87]

I don't think it was one of the weaker episodes.

True, it loses some of the impact for not having the interrogation/flashback format, so it feels weird in a series that relied on that for 6 episodes, but in terms of character development, is probably the strongest chapter so far.

I was a little worried it was going to drop off without the flashback format too, but I loved this episode. Definitely think it's just as strong as the others.

In terms of episode enjoyment if I had to rank them it would be: 5,3,4,7,2,6,1.

 

[duckroll]

Had it not been for Rust and Marty's diligent efforts to get to the bottom of this, they still would be at it.

I wonder if it'll even stop. They could get the guy, they could pin maybe a few guys with a child killing conspiracy, but can they really dismantle something which seems to have existed for decades, or maybe even longer? With so many powerful people involved? People who have basically put themselves in the positions in society to allow themselves to systematically control the situation? Maybe that's the true horror at the end of it all. That even if they can stop a murderer, the heart of the matter might never be put away. Society averts their eyes from what they don't want to believe.

 

[Night Hunter]

I don't get why everyone thinks the reveal of Errol is so tacky - thought it was a great ending to an overall great episode

I think it would have been much better if he just normally finished the sentence after Gilbough and Papania drive off. The way he delivers it it just feels tacky.

 

[styl3s]

I don't get why everyone thinks the reveal of Errol is so tacky - thought it was a great ending to an overall great episode

So it's the same guy from episode 3, right? If so it just makes the reveal that much better.

 

[aravuus]

Dayum. Dayum dayum dayum

Somehow REALLY liked the scene where Marty and Rust just.. Talk. About their life and such.

I'm all in for massive plot twists 99% of the time, but I think it's somehow fitting that there isn't a big twist here

 

[Night Hunter]

I wonder if it'll even stop. They could get the guy, they could pin maybe a few guys with a child killing conspiracy, but can they really dismantle something which seems to have existed for decades, or maybe even longer? With so many powerful people involved? People who have basically put themselves in the positions in society to allow themselves to systematically control the situation? Maybe that's the true horror at the end of it all. That even if they can stop a murderer, the heart of the matter might never be put away. Society averts their eyes from what they don't want to believe.

That would actually tie into the greater narrative quite well. The show fucks with confirmation bias all the time, would really fit if people don't see what they don't want to see.

 

[TheOddOne]

I wonder if it'll even stop. They could get the guy, they could pin maybe a few guys with a child killing conspiracy, but can they really dismantle something which seems to have existed for decades, or maybe even longer? With so many powerful people involved? People who have basically put themselves in the positions in society to allow themselves to systematically control the situation? Maybe that's the true horror at the end of it all. That even if they can stop a murderer, the heart of the matter might never be put away. Society averts their eyes from what they don't want to believe.

Endless loop.

 

[Nibel]

Man, what a creepy episode - the video tape, the pictures, the woman, the reveal at the end

I need a good hug

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

How it cannot be the one with the most character dev?

Marty goes from carrying a gun around Rust, to trusting him completely. We see how their relationship with Maggie ended, we see how each of them have to rely on each other in ways they didn't before, we see Marty become a serious investigator on par with old Rust. We see (ok, are told, vaguely shown) what happened to them during the years they were off the force and how they don't function without each other.

Basically the 95 characters hogged the previous chapters, with the present day being only barely touched during the interrogation, and we got to see the present day characters in full glory in this episode.

So much this.

More was told in Rust taking out the garbage and Marty eating a TV dinner than most series' entire seasons.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I wonder if it'll even stop. They could get the guy, they could pin maybe a few guys with a child killing conspiracy, but can they really dismantle something which seems to have existed for decades, or maybe even longer? With so many powerful people involved? People who have basically put themselves in the positions in society to allow themselves to systematically control the situation? Maybe that's the true horror at the end of it all. That even if they can stop a murderer, the heart of the matter might never be put away. Society averts their eyes from what they don't want to believe.

I imagine, that they find that it is much bigger than the Tuttle family at the end. Despite having dismantled that subsection of a much larger conspiracy.

 

[PBY]

So much this.

More was told in Rust taking out the garbage and Marty eating a TV dinner than most series' entire seasons.

I love this show, but this is some hyperbole.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I love this show, but this is some hyperbole.

No one on Earth ever has engaged in less hyperbole than me, not in the history of the world.

 

[Cornballer]

- NY Mag review

 

[gdt]

I love this show, but this is some hyperbole.

Ben...hyperbole? Neverrrrrrrrrr.

 

[Cornballer]

- The Atlantic roundtable review

 

[real_slime]

I think it would have been much better if he just normally finished the sentence after Gilbough and Papania drive off. The way he delivers it it just feels tacky.

I think it's intentionally stylised. It's a heightened line reading because I don't think they want us to look at this guy like a normal man.

 

[duckroll]

Since the series is pretty much at its end, I guess there's no harm ranking the episodes pre-finale.

My favorite episodes are episode 1, 4, and 5. Ep5 in particular was outstanding in a way which impressed me even more than 4's technical challenges. The way the narrative flowed and the years went is fantastic stuff, not just for television, but in terms of direction and editing in general. Episode 1 is fantastic because it did everything a pilot needs to do - introduce compelling characters, show how great the production values are, and make the premise interesting enough to suck the audience in.

Episodes 2, 3, and 7 feel about equal as really good supporting episodes. They keep the narrative beat going, continue to show a consistent quality in all areas, and introduce interesting stuff in a deliberate but well paced manner.

Episode 6 is the only one I really have any misgivings about, but it was still a pretty solid episode. It felt the most like fluff out of the series on a whole, because it told the story that had to be told even though everyone more or less could see how it would go down. I didn't like the developments with Beth and how it was handled though, so that made it less enjoyable for me compared to the other episodes.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Yeah this ep was a bit ..quiet lets say.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I really doubt they're going to get Eddie Tuttle or take down any meaningful portion of this conspiracy other than Errol. Hell, edwin is a faceless enemy. This last episode just reeks of death. Marty saying goodbye to his ex. Rust actually inquiring about Marty's life. Rust sayin he has to tie up this loose end before moving on and saying he thinks its late in the game to take up something like painting "life is barely long enough to get good at one thing". No way Maggie would visit Rust if not for the morose nature of Marty's visit. That took some nerve and was quite the hail Mary, I wouldn't be surprised if she goes to gilbough and papaniya. No sunshine, lollipops and rainbows next week me thinks.

 

[phazedplasma]

This was obviously the wrap up. Next week is going to end with some serious shit going down.

 

[RustyNails]

I wonder if there's room for discussion about the idea that Maggie "made" him do it. Like he had no control over the situation and wasn't smart enough to understand it was wrong and that he was fucking over a partner.

I did lay the blame partly on Rust after the episode aired. It's not like Maggie raped him.

Why would she? She wittingly involved Rust in her petty get-back scheme at Marty, and in the process ruined his relationship with Marty and also probably made him feel like total shit afterwards (to be used like a total chump). She used him, and she is probably very remorseful of it. It doesn't absolve Rust though. He shouldn't have went for it.

But pretty much consensus everywhere is that Maggie is responsible and exploited the situation.

 

[Cornballer]

- Warming Glow on last night's episode

 

[gdt]

I don't get the negativity, loved this ep

 

[sangreal]

Yes.

Every episode of every season of every show they've done.

this is not true. A number of older shows, like Arli$$ are not available

 

[RustyNails]

This was obviously the wrap up. Next week is going to end with some serious shit going down.

I hope Crash returns.

"30 seconds in and out motherfucker. You goddamn moron. It would have been easier if we did this from the start."

 

[Cornballer]

- Nola.com review

 

[DKehoe]

It was a slower episode but I imagine that's to build for whatever is coming in the next one. Feels weird that this whole thing ends next week and then we will be done with Rust and Marty forever.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Ben...hyperbole? Neverrrrrrrrrr.

lol thank youuuu!!!

 

[Wilbur]

Brilliant episode. Confirms all the suspicions that rabid fans looking for clues and debating it every day had, which is in no way a criticism; would you rather a cheap, out of nowhere twist to a solution so well plotted, thought out and executed that despite everyone talking about said solution for weeks now it stands up immensely under scrutiny? No one is criticising the episode for the revelations of the Tuttle plot, but rather because it didn't surprise anyone.

Absolute pleasure to watch Harrelson and McConaughey, their characters distinct from the 95 and 02 versions; Hart a sad figure, genuinely making me feel something when he's sitting alone eating his television dinners, and Rust more alert and energetic than he's been at any point up until now.

I do think the lawnmower man has to be justified a tad as to how Rust missed him all those years ago. I understand it means "oh he was right under my nose" etc but I think I would have preferred it if we hadn't seen him before and this was the first time. Other than that, great episode. Great character work, great writing, great story telling, great acting, great looking.

 

[JCreasy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courir_de_Mardi_Gras

Awesome, thank you!

 

[RedSwirl]

I guess I should ask for some warning first. Should I search this show on Deviantart?

 

[Imm0rt4l]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BpAaJeb3o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I'm convinced. Marty is the killer.

 

[CF_Fighter]

I seem to recall when Rust was making his aluminum can men during his discussion with the new detectives he arranged them in a circle like the cultists stood. Can anyone find an image of when he arranged them at the end of Chapter 3?

I'm at work so I can't pull YouTube.

 

[Cornballer]

I seem to recall when Rust was making his aluminum can men during his discussion with the new detectives he arranged them in a circle like the cultists stood. Can anyone find an image of when he arranged them at the end of Chapter 3?

I'm at work so I can't pull YouTube.

.

 

[talisayNon]

This is going to end with Cohle and Marty having an army of broken fathers taking on the Ledoux/Tuttle/Childress clans.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Loved when Marty watched the video, was a great scene. Also pretty creepy when they were talking to the old lady.

Lawnmower man was kinda predictable.

 

[CF_Fighter]

^ Thanks. I know he isn't part of the cult. Just pointing out all the interconnected imagery and him giving subtle hints along the way to the new detectives of what he has found out so far.