EverythingShiny
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Yep. Thought it was interesting how Rust brought that up several times in this episode, too. Ledoux's words really did a number on him.
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Yep. Thought it was interesting how Rust brought that up several times in this episode, too. Ledoux's words really did a number on him.
She's an essential part of their history. It also shows how they've changed as people (or remained the same) through how they each relate to her several years later.
As for why she was interviewed, they're investigating the case and the partnership. They know something went down between Marty and Rust, and they probably suspected it was related to Marty's wife.
Considering how much he smokes and drinks I'd say it's probably cancer or his liver going.
Yeah, he initially said something like "my memory's foggy" I think, then proceeded to spit out a lot of neatly tied up details over their meetings.
Mr. Saturn
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Yeah that was very disturbing.
Another thing that I was creepy was the killer taking advantage of the confusion after Katrina. The idea of people suddenly disappearing and no one noticing it is quite upsetting.
So if I'm understanding this correctly the Tuttles were involved in some shady shit including the murder of children.
So then what about Dora Lang, was that the cult or Tuttles or whatever you would call it acting in conjunction with Errol or was he doing that on his own, I mean the hooker that Rust spoke to talked about seeing a man with scars.
So it would appear that Errol is the one doing the actual killing but there are others involved in whatever sick ritual they've (the Tuttles) come up with?
I think part of it is he likes her character, the other thing is probably that she's the only emotional link that ties the two men together. She's a very consistent character who knows both men, and how each of them connects with her differently says a lot about them, which is useful in a story like this I suppose.
Marty's reunion with Maggie is one which shows he clearly still regrets leaving her and the family, and he still has sentimental feelings about how it all went down. Maggie's reunion with Rust shows that he was aware of how he was used and he didn't like it then and he doesn't care for it now. In a sense it feels like closure, both men having their final word with the woman who split them apart.
Of course he isn't returning. It is clear that he will be ritually sacrificed in the last episode because he can see Carcosa.
I'm pretty sure the Tuttles just use the lawnmower man as their muscle (the guy who does their dirty work). He goes up and down the coast hunting for children to abduct for the cult's gatherings. That explains the girl that was running from him who came up with the original sketch. It explains his knowledge of the entire costal area as well. The Yellow King is probably not him though. It could end up being senator Tuttle or some guy who might remain faceless.
Worst episode so far for me. Too much exposition and plodding pace. Ultimately I liked how they set up the end, in that these are two men with nothing to lose and who are no longer accountable to the law. But it just felt so off compared to past episodes. I dunno, just how I feel.
I'm also hating how they integrated law mower man. Just the whole reveal didn't sit well with me. I'll be honest, this episode has me scared for how they wrap this all up. I expected more tonight.
I'm also hating how they integrated law mower man. Just the whole reveal didn't sit well with me. I'll be honest, this episode has me scared for how they wrap this all up. I expected more tonight.
So I just had a thought of how the show could end. But probably not:
Marty/Rust will confront the people at the top, or one of them. Marty will discover that his daughter was involved in the abuses and once more kill someone, ruining the investigation.
Time is a flat circle.
Maybe too much like Se7en, though.
Marty/Rust will confront the people at the top, or one of them. Marty will discover that his daughter was involved in the abuses and once more kill someone, ruining the investigation.
Time is a flat circle.
Maybe too much like Se7en, though.
EverythingShiny
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The cult has done a lot to cover up their dealings and make sure that their tracks are covered, so I can't imagine the higher ups in the cult sanctioning such a public display. Dora Lang was purposefully posed and the fire was started around her to draw attention to her body. Whoever did that to her was proud of what he'd done and wanted everyone to see. It's highly likely that was one person acting alone but heavily influenced by the cult's dealings, evidenced by the highly ritualistic nature of the staging that occurred at the crime scene.
The new episode of Black Sails got a B+ rating from A/V Club while True Detective got a C........
Yeah, different reviewer, opinions and all that jazz but it just struck me as being ridiculous enough to be funny.
The gulf in quality between these two shows are so large you could fit an infinity of Carcosas in that M-brane space.
Yeah, different reviewer, opinions and all that jazz but it just struck me as being ridiculous enough to be funny.
The gulf in quality between these two shows are so large you could fit an infinity of Carcosas in that M-brane space.
Net_Wrecker
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I gotta say, I'm not a fan of that "My family's been here a long, long time" line at the end of the episode, accompanied by the "creepy" score, and that camerawork. I'm not against corny stuff like that in other series, but it felt beneath this show. I think a close up on Lawnmower Man to show the scars without dialogue as he goes back to mowing would've gotten the message across minus the cheese.
I didn't really have big issues with the rest of the episode. I really liked the scenes in the storage unit actually, exposition and all. It was a little slower than normal and a tad uneventful, but it was setup for the finale. That ending though....ehhh
I didn't really have big issues with the rest of the episode. I really liked the scenes in the storage unit actually, exposition and all. It was a little slower than normal and a tad uneventful, but it was setup for the finale. That ending though....ehhh
Black Sails is pop corn fluff. But it is growing on me. True Detective has been on a downward trajectory since the high of episode 4's ending for me at least.
But like you said, in no real way does the latter surpass the former.
Kind of funny since I'm only giving Black Sails a chance because of the setting even though it continues to let me down. I guess some people just like mindless shows in an iconic setting instead of an actual gripping story with great acting, writing, and just about everything else.
Agreed. Felt like they had to hit us over the head with it in the event that some people still didn't figure it out.
Truthfully, if I'd only ever watched the show on my own, never discussing it with GAF or other people, I probably wouldn't have made the connection weeks before as I had (unless, maybe, if I'd gone back to watch the episodes again). Then that ending might have pulled me in a bit better as I was digesting the big reveal.
I like when it's used more subtly. When the sheriff mentions Childress and Marty repeats the name, there's a barely audible creepy 'cue' sound that replaces the silence. Helps you see the light bulb going off in Marty's head at that moment (he was present when Rust was looking into Childress years before).
Soyongdori
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Ok, watched up to latest episode, I'm kinda still confused about the whole first murder they found in the very first episode. Can someone explain to me why Rust is keep suspecting it's the church leader? Was the
kid getting sacrificed in the video related to their initial search for the first victim killer?
HalfBakedProphet
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This episode was a bit slower than 4 or 5 but really, it falls in line with the first 3. I think the expectations and anticipation of heading towards the end makes it feel like things should have been moving more quickly than they did. In and of itself, I think this was a solid episode
It's a great show, but there are things like that in almost every episode. Que the stereotype police chiefs, or the old trope of cutting to some victim speaking for a super spooky revelation shot(they've done this at least twice now?). I don't think it's a ploy either, seems like the writer/director genuinely like it. The acting covers a lot of it up, I don't think a lot of people could get away with lines like, "I don't sleep, just dream".
Anyway, I wonder if either Marty or Rust come out of this unscathed next week. I don't feel like the police will get involved, but with Marty saying his goodbyes and Rust being Rust has me worried.
Net_Wrecker
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I don't have an issue with certain cues in the music, but that one just rubbed me the wrong way. It felt like a scene from a different show, like The Following, or The Killing or something. Not good vibes.
If it's detective fiction tropes, I don't mind. Or even Rust's weird one liners and monologues (which I actually love), but, that last scene....Nah. Something was off about it.
Except there was really awesome character development in those early episodes. This was probably the slowest episode this season, by my estimation anyway. We knew the band was getting back together, nothing crazy in the storage unit. Lasting impression from this episode was solidifying Maggie as an a-hole(that big stupid house and then showing up at the bar with some BS pretenses when all she wanted was to check out what Rust's been up to) and setting up the catalyst for the new investigation, that stupid sheriff... oh and we got another accomplice for a target. The governor's/Pale King's presence was missed.
Yeah that line felt completely off. Especially since he carefully got off his mower to speak that line and then got back on to mow the grass. But except for that slip up I really liked this episode. All the talks between Rust and Marty were really entertaining and interesting to me.
I thought Episode 7 had some great development, too. We really got to see where their past decisions have taken them and how they've adjusted (or not). There wasn't as much escalation as we expected, though, or intense scenes. Mostly them gathering bits of information and drawing a more complete picture as we head into the last episode.
The penultimate episode is often the most eventful one in HBO series. Definitely wasn't the case here.
I agree. I think it mainly has to do with the character just speaking to himself, feels like something out of a B-horror movie. My real complaint about this scene is that his scar was barely visible. Hell, without the music cue and the cheesy line from him I don't think a lot viewers would've picked up that he's the killer when they should've.
The episode was probably the weakest of the show in my opinion, was still good though. I don't really like how the exposition was executed, I just felt bombarded with information, most of which I already knew. Rust just telling Marty all the information in the storage unit as fast as he could felt like it went on far too long, and I think it could've been done better. I absolutely loved all the flashbacks to 2010 and forward, Marty and Rusts' mundane lives and Rust going in as a thief were awesome and really well shot little sequences.
I also think there's another reason Rust came back besides just feeling like he needed to solve the case or pay his debt. I mean it could be that, but I think there was some kind of direct revelation akin to how Marty quit being a cop after seeing the hot pocket baby.
Damn, that is dark.
Kind of conflicted about this one. A lot of great stuff. I loved their descriptions of their lives, so utterly bleak. Just marking time until they can atone. Good catch whoever it was back when who pointed out the Childress connection. Everything growing the wrong direction is an amazing line.
Rust has either just had enough or has a terminal illness, either way he is suicidal. He found the constitutional fortitude.
Having read most of the thread, I do see the possibility of Audrey being abused by them, which drives Marty crazy. Not sure I'm convinced that is what they will do, but I could see it.
Lawn mower guy bothers me. I went back and watched ep 3 again. They had found out about the scarred guy, who is described as tall by the girls at the ministry, and they had just interrogated the poor b&e jerkoff guy due to his scars. I know Cohle was looking around, and Marty distracted him, but for him not to notice the scars at all is not sitting right. The girl in the hospital called him a giant. He didn't look particularly tall or like a giant, is the actor taller than he appeared? I just don't like it :/
Still, other than that, it is still a damn fine show.
Rust has either just had enough or has a terminal illness, either way he is suicidal. He found the constitutional fortitude.
Having read most of the thread, I do see the possibility of Audrey being abused by them, which drives Marty crazy. Not sure I'm convinced that is what they will do, but I could see it.
Lawn mower guy bothers me. I went back and watched ep 3 again. They had found out about the scarred guy, who is described as tall by the girls at the ministry, and they had just interrogated the poor b&e jerkoff guy due to his scars. I know Cohle was looking around, and Marty distracted him, but for him not to notice the scars at all is not sitting right. The girl in the hospital called him a giant. He didn't look particularly tall or like a giant, is the actor taller than he appeared? I just don't like it :/
Still, other than that, it is still a damn fine show.
I enjoyed this episode. Felt like a penultimate episode should do and was pretty tense at times. The scene with the tape. Man, that was uncomfortable and Harrelson knocked the fuck out of that scene. Kudos to him.
So sad that we're at the final episode now. Excited all the same as we're leading up to something impressive no doubt. I won't be watching the preview for the final episode as I want to savour it.
Edit: Hot pocket baby ahahah fuck
So sad that we're at the final episode now. Excited all the same as we're leading up to something impressive no doubt. I won't be watching the preview for the final episode as I want to savour it.
Edit: Hot pocket baby ahahah fuck
StopMakingSense
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Dick cop from the 90s that Rust kept on getting in it with at the station.
Also Healy from Orange is the New Black.
reptilescorpio
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I cannot believe we only have one hour to go! So many things to answer and so many things you want fleshed out they cannot possibly get through them all 
That episode just flew by, felt like 15 minutes tops!
That episode just flew by, felt like 15 minutes tops!
Cpt.Underpants
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Yeah that's what I think happens. It's not liked their investigation is legal anyway.
ok, i've seen all the clues about the daughter but has any connection, even a tenuous one, been made for where the abuse took place? Her elementary school? Some relative on the mother's side (grandfather)? There's still a lot of loose threads there...
Sidenote: who is going to get the inevitable emmy nomination for best actor in a drama MM or Woody (or both)?
Sidenote: who is going to get the inevitable emmy nomination for best actor in a drama MM or Woody (or both)?
Everyone caught on that Errol Childress is a Tuttle bastard right? He might be the only one doing the pagan-looking killings, but everything points to the Tuttle extended family to being sick shits towards kids, and killing folks to keep em quiet.
My hope is that Marty and Rust take em all out next ep, but it's probably going to be a lot bleaker than that. :/
My hope is that Marty and Rust take em all out next ep, but it's probably going to be a lot bleaker than that. :/
Night Hunter
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Best case scenario: both
But for best actor I think you can nominate only one (both of them are leads, so probably no best actor and supporting actor cheating). And seriously, that's not even a real competition.
And if nothing crazy happens in the course of this year I can see them snatching at least 4 Primetime awards (Best Actor, Best writing, Best Drama series, best Directing) and a few of the smaller ones (Title Design maybe, Cinematography, Music maybe, etc.)
talisayNon
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yea Cohle's definitely dying with something.
Sam Tuttle..enjoyed virgins..had numerous bastard children..Childress', Tuttles, Ledouxs'
It's kind of a cheesy plot , but the story telling is absolutely amazing.
I was disappointed after watching last night, but I rewatched this morning and it's better than the first watch.
I love this show. Only one more...
also someone GIF woody's face when he goes "What can I say? I'm a people person"
It cracked me up the second time around too.
Also I'm downloading that Black Rebel Motorcycle song that played at the end of the show and putting it on repeat driving to work. God damn perfect song choice. This show's a labor of love. Every painstaking little detail. So awesome
Sam Tuttle..enjoyed virgins..had numerous bastard children..Childress', Tuttles, Ledouxs'
It's kind of a cheesy plot , but the story telling is absolutely amazing.
I was disappointed after watching last night, but I rewatched this morning and it's better than the first watch.
I love this show. Only one more...
also someone GIF woody's face when he goes "What can I say? I'm a people person"
It cracked me up the second time around too.
Also I'm downloading that Black Rebel Motorcycle song that played at the end of the show and putting it on repeat driving to work. God damn perfect song choice. This show's a labor of love. Every painstaking little detail. So awesome
youbastards
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When the detectives are asking Errol for directions, he tells them "PR 1435".
Proverbs 14:35
"The king's favor is toward a wise servant: but his wrath is against him that causes shame."
Proverbs 14:35
"The king's favor is toward a wise servant: but his wrath is against him that causes shame."
Discotheque
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Good episode. End was corny as hell though when that creep was talking to himself. Felt like it belonged in another show lol
Gozer the Gozerian
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Too bad about that unnecessary final line, rest of the episode was ace
Different reviewers. End of story.
Not sure what the problem is, it was decently written and it's just one persons opinion. Don't understand why everyone only wants positive reviews. A spectrum is good- because people react differently to different things.
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