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[le.phat]

they were really not going for subtle with the broken light and all. It's the car, the hair, the whole deal. He's not doing well financially. Nor would he be the kind to care about that.

I dont think it has anything to do with his financial situation but is a side product of his unrelenting focus on his personal quest uncoverin the truth

 

[Dennis]

Soon the hour of Cthulhu will be upon us.

 

[RustyNails]

Yall in Carcosa now

 

[Dead Man]

Anyone mind if I snaffle that for an avatar?

 

[RustyNails]

Black stars are rising

 

[EverythingShiny]

I actually enjoy reading the crazy speculation, and honestly agree that it shouldn't be discouraged. In a way, it's our "Carcosa", the madness that comes in the second act.

Yeah, this. I mean, I think some of it is really crazy, but that's the point. It is fun to read and some people are really creative, which is great.

see, I go back and forth with it. I think if one get too wrapped up with the creating these elaborate theories, it could negatively effect how you feel about what actually happens.

I just have a feeling you'll have a lot of disappointed people when the conclusion is very grounded and relatively simple. The crazy speculation will have shaped their expectations

I understand this too, but that's on them (the people with the crazy speculations/expectations), not the show. Most of us reading interviews know that Pizzolatto's been very explicit in saying that they're not out to trick anyone, and as we've seen, everything's been unfolding pretty much as they've said it would since the very beginning.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

I actually enjoy reading the crazy speculation, and honestly agree that it shouldn't be discouraged. In a way, it's our "Carcosa", the madness that comes in the second act.

see, I go back and forth with it. I think if one gets too wrapped up with the creating these elaborate theories, it could negatively effect how you feel about what actually happens.

I just have a feeling you'll have a lot of disappointed people when the conclusion is very grounded and relatively simple. The crazy speculation will have shaped their expectations

 

[Solo]

Anyone mind if I snaffle that for an avatar?

Time is a flat circle. That has been your avatar before and will be again.

 

[Dead Man]

see, I go back and forth with it. I think if one gets too wrapped up with the creating these elaborate theories, it could negatively effect how you feel about what actually happens.

I just have a feeling you'll have a lot of disappointed people when the conclusion is very grounded and relatively simple. The crazy speculation will have shaped their expectations

Yeah, I can see that. I don't worry myself with any of the theories, but I can see how even if someone doesn't really buy into them they can shape expectations.

Time is a flat circle. That has been your avatar before and will be again.

Sheeeit.

Also, found some fan art I like, it's a bit different but I like the simplicity of it.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Time is a flat circle. That has been your avatar before and will be again.

what is that, nietzsche? Shut the fuck up

 

[Amir0x]

see, I go back and forth with it. I think if one gets too wrapped up with the creating these elaborate theories, it could negatively effect how you feel about what actually happens.

I just have a feeling you'll have a lot of disappointed people when the conclusion is very grounded and relatively simple. The crazy speculation will have shaped their expectations

I actually kinda hope they're bold enough to leave the story with an unresolved conclusion, which is to say they never find their man. I think that'd be really evocative if done right, but I don't know if the public would accept it. They demand answers. I'd love for the clues to be there, but for it to be left open for interpretation in the end.

Yeah, this. I mean, I think some of it is really crazy, but that's the point. It is fun to read and some people are really creative, which is great.

I've loved seeing the images people find with little easter eggs in them and how they connect the dots to the fuller story. It's like seeing a forum version of one of them personal billboards with scraps of newspaper and photos all over it with thumbtacks and little red strips of yarn stretched between them.

 

[movie_club]

This has been noted before (regarding the parallel) but the notes specifically regarding this image has nothing to do with a serial killer. In fact, unless I'm missing something, there isn't a single mention of "serial killer" within the notes, or interview, only in the summary at the top introducing people to "True Detective" (which has nothing to do with the creative director) and the note that it uses the "killer's iconography of death" (ie antlers); I'm quite perplexed as to what you actually would suggest is 'spoilery worthy' as, reading it thoroughly, I have no idea what it is you're picking up from it.

Here is what is spoiler worthy and the answers to your questions.

And given that these notes were from before the design firm was hired and did the full opening credits it should be understood that the images they chose are obviously the most important to the story.

Another thing to keep in mind is how mindful true detective is of Symbolism and Visual Language

In fact, I would argue that they are pushing new ground in non-verbal communication

For the final sequence we'll construct new frames more specific to these characters and their world

We'll make these choices taking into account the entire arc of the story, and input from the production. The full extent of the story should inform the images used in the sequence, so that as viewers progress through the sees, the titles reveal a depth and sophistication that is enhanced by repeat viewings and full knowledge of the characters journey.

As the sequence progresses, we'll fold in more conflict, drama and division. The sequence will become visually darker, more literal and more intense.

We've zoned in on the idea of personal geographies.

The surreal nature of these images give us license to explore metaphor and situations of heightened reality

Crucially, we can reveal character through places and symbols.

As the song reaches its zenith, fire will overcome the cane fields and the title will emerge from the burning crosses of our layouts.

episode 1s first scene was fire being lit in a field.

As our sequence builds into its final act....Antlers reach skywards, like a flame, hinting at the incendiary fire to come...

Entering this new, darker chapter will allow us to play with imagery from the killers plot line....which seem extra macabre in the context of our serial killer tale.

As the titles build energy and intensity, our symbolism becomes more focused and literal

And the final most literally symbolic shot

someone please explain how this is a reach? ?????????

 

[movie_club]

see, I go back and forth with it. I think if one gets too wrapped up with the creating these elaborate theories, it could negatively effect how you feel about what actually happens.

I just have a feeling you'll have a lot of disappointed people when the conclusion is very grounded and relatively simple. The crazy speculation will have shaped their expectations

I have read every single interview with the director and writer, so I dont know why your are insinuating what I am proposing goes against what they have said. Marty is not a twist, its glaring obvious and will be apparent on repeat viewings.

"Let them dream a little longer" Is honestly really patronizing. What exactly is it that you think? That there is a cult Tuttle is involved in and they did the killing and Rust needs Martys help to being them down? That sounds boring, predictable and lazy.


I wont be disappointed, I love this show and am excited to see how it ends! Love the ride and genuinely trying to solve the case!

Its just that i believe all the clues have been given to us. Its right under our noses!

 

[movie_club]

I'm incredibly confused as to what relevance you feel the introduction has to implications of Marty being the killer because they, if anything, emphasize the opposite by placing emphasis on the personal apocalypse of each character and how they are 'broken/divided people'.

Because they make clear the introduction takes into consideration the entire story arc and emphasize that as the sequence progresses they becomes more literal with their imagery.

I am confused as how you missed this when reading the notes.

 

[RustyNails]

You will do this again...time is a flat circle

 

[Amir0x]

Because they make clear the introduction takes into consideration the entire story arc and emphasize that as the sequence progresses they becomes more literal with their imagery.

I am confused as how you missed this when reading the notes.

But that could work both ways. It could simply illustrate that the hunt for the yellow king will "consume" (as if in hell fire) the sanity of our main characters.

You're definitely in Carcosa now. Not that your theory can't be true, but I think that's exactly what has made this show grip so many people. It causes its own sort of madness.

 

[Messypandas]

You will do this again...time is a flat circle

Hey nietzsche, shut the fuck up

 

[RustyNails]

Hey nietzsche, shut the fuck up

 

[amnesiac]

Last time it aired at the same time on HBO Go without commercials

 

[inm8num2]

The best thing about this show is that it can go in so many directions for these last episodes.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Will watch at 9. Fuck da Oscars

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

I have read every single interview with the director and writer, so I dont know why your are insinuating what I am proposing goes against what they have said. Marty is not a twist, its glaring obvious and will be apparent on repeat viewings.

"Let them dream a little longer" Is honestly really patronizing. What exactly is it that you think? That there is a cult Tuttle is involved in and they did the killing and Rust needs Martys help to being them down? That sounds boring, predictable and lazy.


I wont be disappointed, I love this show and am excited to see how it ends! Love the ride and genuinely trying to solve the case!

Its just that i believe all the clues have been given to us. Its right under our noses!

relax. Where did i ever call your out your theory specifically? Your initial post started "I have never once seriously considered Marty as any sort of suspect.... Food for thought" but youre obviously emotional invested in your theory. Have fun, no reason to be defensive.

genuinely trying solve the case

here is where we differ. You and I are viewers, but some try to turn themselves into active participants. Which is totally fine, but it can skew your perception. I don't think it was ever Pizzolatto's intention to created a televized version of Where's Waldo or a Scooby Doo episode. for viewers to sit there and dissect ever frame for the sake of finding out who the killer is.

Pizzolatto has called both Marty and Rust "heroes" in the behind the episode shorts. I'm going to assume he's not out to trick or deceive the audience (which he claims he isn't). I'll trust that and enjoy the ride.

 

[reggieandTFE]

Ugh. My wife is making us watch the oscars first. Thank god for DVRs.

 

[Dead Man]

Ugh. My wife is making us watch the oscars first. Thank god for DVRs.

Pretty sure that is grounds for divorce. You are a better person than me.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Time is a flat circle. Awards shows have always been shit and will be again.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Time is a flat circle. Awards shows have always been shit and will be again.

And again...and again...forever

Spoiler

poor leo

 

[~Kinggi~]

Time is a flat circle. Awards shows have always been shit and will be again.

Its only an hour away from the 4 hour hollywood self-love fest.

 

[A Serious Man]

I'm expecting along the lines of the diner scene from Zodiac, but an hour long.

 

[Jarnet87]

Theres a shot in the intro with Rust having flames and horns too. I guess some people want to put stock into the one with Marty being important because it's at the end, guess we'll find out.

Either way.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Will watch at 9. Fuck da Oscars

same, fucking ready

 

[RustyNails]

CARCOSA INTENSIFIES

 

[Cornballer]

Here we go!

 

[~Kinggi~]

hype motherfuckas

 

[Deku Tree]

Let's get ready!!!

 

[Avixph]

I don't think that there's going to be an episode today.
Edit: I tuned into the wrong HBO channel.

 

[Amir0x]

damn those fateful seconds waiting for True Detective to be put up on HBO Go >_<

 

[Dug]

Lets do this!

 

[amnesiac]

damn those fateful seconds waiting for True Detective to be put up on HBO Go >_<

i know right

edit: yay

 

[charlequin]

I actually kinda hope they're bold enough to leave the story with an unresolved conclusion, which is to say they never find their man. I think that'd be really evocative if done right, but I don't know if the public would accept it. They demand answers.

People who are being told a story demand to know why the story was worth their time to listen to when it's over. It's not actually impossible to do a story about investigating a mysterious killer with a satisfying conclusion despite not revealing the killer's identity (see the omnipresent Zodiac references) but it's pretty difficult, and it's going to involve a lot of setup to make it pay off. True Detective seems interested in going in a very different direction than that.

 

[Bloodrage]

Intro gets better every time.

 

[lamaroo]

Will never tire of seeing this opening.

Spoiler

Only one more ;_;

 

[Amir0x]

People who are being told a story demand to know why the story was worth their time to listen to when it's over. It's not actually impossible to do a story about investigating a mysterious killer with a satisfying conclusion despite not revealing the killer's identity (see the omnipresent Zodiac references) but it's pretty difficult, and it's going to involve a lot of setup to make it pay off. True Detective seems interested in going in a very different direction than that.

I agree I doubt it'll go there, but I do think this show can do it. The talent is obviously immense for those involved. I just kinda hope they do so that the speculation won't end, and we'll have threads like this disseminating all the clues people have poured over and sharing their theories.

 

[Cornballer]

"A man remembers his debts"

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Come on where the hell is it?!

 

[Avixph]

Why is this only being shown on HBO Latino on the East Coast

 

[Amir0x]

Finally up on HBOGo. Damn you show for five minute delay, now I gotta skip the intro

 

[Deku Tree]

Alaska... Fishing boats...

 

[Cornballer]

Storage locker trip?

 

[RustyNails]

Rust threatening to expose the cover up

 

[BigJonsson]

Whenever I see storage lockers I want to yell, "Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup"