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True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st
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god damn it,spoiler
Cornballer
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A few random items from this morning:
- Harrelson interview with Metro in the UK
- LA Times: 'True Detective' music: 10 other great songs by the Handsome Family
Also, one more tidbit from the Fukunaga interview that I didn't notice yesterday:
- Harrelson interview with Metro in the UK
- LA Times: 'True Detective' music: 10 other great songs by the Handsome Family
Also, one more tidbit from the Fukunaga interview that I didn't notice yesterday:
Certainly creepy enough..
Lactose_Intolerant
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There will still be flashbacks of Rust's years away from the force. I'm going to guess it will be while he's explaining stuff to Marty.
Gozer the Gozerian
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That is taking place as he sits in his car outside his home, right before he's blindsided by a divorce, reinforcing his obliviousness and his culpability going into the scene. It helps keep the viewer reminded that it's Marty, not Maggie, who's to blame.You know what poor writing is? An extended exchange between Marty and Beth about how she wants him to "fuck her in the ass" while she poses in her underwear and the camera pans around her body. That adds nothing to the narrative nor does it tell us anything about the characters we didn't already know. It was just stupid.
Marty's scenes w/ his flings are inundated with sex. We don't see this same sort of hyper-male gaze elsewhere on the show, it's intentionally trying to get across Marty's mental state.
Anton Sugar
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Two reasons why I didn't like this scene:
1) We've already established that Marty is a dirtbag, that he cheats on his way, that he fucks up again. At this point, he's already banged Beth. We don't need "ANAL OMG" to sway Marty and lead to his downfall.
2) The scene isn't even from the perspective of Marty. He's talking to Beth on the phone, unable to see her. The camera is male-gazing just as much as Marty is supposed to be.
I disagree. Having that scene with marty parked outside presumably to come home to his family is fine. All marty has at this point is his home life which he has given in part of to beth in the guise of working late . Rust only has his work, we would have even less marty to show otherwise since he isnt backing rust on his most recent endeavors because he's a shitty detective and friend. The guy is content to ride his hero cop status and play it safe on his cases. When we do see marty he's getting remarks from rust like "you have somewhere to be? What? are you gonna go home and play with the kids?" Or a disheveled marty being called a human tampon by his superior. The implication is he's been sleeping around and everyone knows, Rust is doing all of the work. Marty beats the crap out of two young men for sleeping with his "varsity slut team captain" of a daughter. Then he goes and and starts an affair with a young woman who he knows was selling ass from a young age. I think the scene helps highlights the stark dichotomy of the two main characters, adds gratuitous eye candy for hbo(shes not even naked)and its kinda funny. In the end Ithink it just further shows how horrible a person marty is and given his remorseful state in the interrogation room maybe he'll seek redemption in some form to do right by his old partner or continue being an ass. I dont think its fair to dismiss that scene as poor writing. Dexter has poor writing. The scene in question is belaboring a point .You know what poor writing is? An extended exchange between Marty and Beth about how she wants him to "fuck her in the ass" while she poses in her underwear and the camera pans around her body. That adds nothing to the narrative nor does it tell us anything about the characters we didn't already know. It was just stupid.
Edit: I think its noteworthy that she is the one pushing the affair. Beth posing in front of the mirror talking like a phone sex operator and marty is a little reluctant but being the piexe of shit he is, he rolls with it anyways. Hell, Rust gave into temptation.
Cornballer
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- EW: 'True Detective' creator Nic Pizzolatto on Carcosa, hideous men, and the season 1 endgame *some spoilers, read at your own risk and tag discussion accordingly*
More via the link.
You don't think there's any relation to the recurring theme of "flat circle" that this girl who was working at a bunny ranch and "changed" her life thanks to Marty is now effectively doing the same thing she was in the first place? She supposedly turned things around, yet here she is as a young woman staring at herself in the mirror while goading on a man she knows is married.
but time is a flat circle and such..
Cornballer
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I don't mind reusing some of the more peripheral actors again if it helps streamline the production. We're going to see a number of actors from previous HBO shows anyway, so I don't see why it's a big deal.
Peripheral, sure......but it would rub me the wrong way if MM and WH were back as the lead detectives, for example.
But bringing back someone like Daddario? Sure.
Maybe season 3 when Olyphant is done with Justified. McShane would be awesome.
That's not what he means. MM and WH are almost certainly not coming back, and even if one of both of them were to return in some form in the future, I expect them to play very different characters in a supporting role or a cameo.
I really liked the earlier parts of the interview, then I had to bail out completely when he started talking about stuff in ep7. Ughhh. Will read after the series is over.
You have to actively hedge against Maggie getting Skylar'd. There's a real danger in having members of the audience turn on her because they don't understand just how desperate she is when she uses Rust. Reinforcing why she's making these decisions (and doing so in a way that's incredibly uncomfortable for the audience re: Beth's status/relationship to Marty) helps hedge against that.
Anton Sugar
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John Hawkes would be an amazing choice.
I absolutely think there could be relevance there, I just don't like how the scene was executed. Plus, he's already had sex with her, so any motif of "repeating same mistakes" has already been used and it feels a bit redundant.
I absolutely think there could be relevance there, I just don't like how the scene was executed. Plus, he's already had sex with her, so any motif of "repeating same mistakes" has already been used and it feels a bit redundant.
Thanks for the interview. Very interesting, and confirms many of the things we've speculated to be true. I really liked this excerpt:
I also liked how Pizzolatto talked about being inspired by Nietzsche's view on eternal return, and the show's meta narrative's in line with how "The King in Yellow" is constructed. Great interview, which gives us a richer insight on what Pizzolatto's trying to portray.
F0rneus
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The most fascinating part of that interview IMO, and I'll spoiler tag it just in case (Revolves around a real-life story, and not the show itself).
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/national/25church.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Holy hell. A real-life Satanic cult of church leaders and law enforcement who abused kids in Louisiana. That's utterly insane in the context of a TV show, and yet here it is in real-life. That's horrific.
Holy hell. A real-life Satanic cult of church leaders and law enforcement who abused kids in Louisiana. That's utterly insane in the context of a TV show, and yet here it is in real-life. That's horrific.
HalfBakedProphet
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There it is. Put the supernatural speculation to bed
Also, after reading a lot of these interviews with Pizzolatto and Fukunaga, it is really disappointing how they had to really edit things down for time. I think in that most recent Daily Beast article with Fukunaga, he said episode 5 had about 90 minutes worth of content they needed to trim down to under 60. FUCK
Cornballer
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On the plus side, it should make for a great dvd/blu-ray set if they include a lot of the extra footage.Also, after reading a lot of these interviews with Pizzolatto and Fukunaga, it is really disappointing how they had to really edit things down for time. I think in that most recent Daily Beast article with Fukunaga, he said episode 5 had about 90 minutes worth of content they needed to trim down to under 60. FUCK
Nic Pizzolatto just tweeted out this new (I believe)interview:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true-detective-nic-pizzolatto-season-1/
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true-detective-nic-pizzolatto-season-1/
F0rneus
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And Pizzolatto mentions just finishing a commentary track. T_T Awwww yissssss.
Hmm. Somehow I doubt HBO would want "definitive" versions to appear on disc only. They make their money off of subscriptions, not disc sales.
Have extended/definitive versions of their shows appeared on disc releases in the past?
Maybe they could re-air an 'encore' version of the show in a few months with re-cut episodes?
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Anton Sugar
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Maaaaan, I'm going to be in Puerto Rico for a bachelor party this Sunday.
I feel fucking pathetic that there is this tiny part of me exists, somewhere in my soul, that says, "But what about True Detective?"
I feel fucking pathetic that there is this tiny part of me exists, somewhere in my soul, that says, "But what about True Detective?"
I'm the Marty to his Yellow King.
You are the Michael Jordan of being a big ass dick.
According to the interview, they're waiting for the scripts from Pizzolatto before they greenlight it. But chances are, it's looking pretty good. (Make that an almost certainty.)
The One Who Knocks
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I'm somewhat curious how they'll structure it. Some shows build up to the final episode of a the series but numerous others, particularly HBO shows, put their biggest moment in the penultimate episode (The Wire, Game of Thrones, and The Sopranos for example) and leave the final episode as somewhat of an epilogue; I'm curious as to which route they'll take given that they don't have to continue the story past the final episode. I do think imagine the penultimate episode will reveal the perpetrator/s, or result in a greater understanding of the cult/group/person/people involved.
Cornballer
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There are a bunch of links at the top of the page.
The most likely situation is that there are a bunch of deleted scenes included on the dvd. Usually they don't go to the trouble of re-editing something, but stranger things have happened.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Chris Cooper and John Hawkes for Season 2 pls
Its own thing. Trying to recapture S1 would be foolish.
Interestingly Chris Cooper was in a good cop film called Lone Star (with an appearance by McConaughey!) I would recommend to people who like this show. It's an underrated small texas town/dark secrets kind of thing that strikes a similar nerve. Though nowhere near as moody or cerebral. But still.
The One Who Knocks
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I'm in agreement with Kirbler and Solo, I definitely want it to be formatted in its own manner. I don't want them to feel tied down to any structure; whatever allows them to tell the best story. If that means altering how many leads there are (ie abandoning the 'partners with opposing views and doing something else), the division being put into focus, the setting, or the competency of the detective/detectives, so be it.
EDIT: That being said, if they do wish to retain some common elements, so be it, just as long as the series is of a similarly consistent, high quality, filled with symbolism and with a magnificent level of attention paid to all aspects. without repetition (I know that may tie back into 'time is a flat circle' if they go that route, but it would need to be framed well to avoid being boring to watch I feel).
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