Masculinity's the big theme of the show, but Rust is a different archetype that Marty - repression, withdrawal - the whole "don't show weakness/emotion/vulnerability" stoic thing. It's part of why his relationship with Marty collapses- he keeps him at arm's length when a little bit of honesty would smooth things over.
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Content Round Up - Episode 6 - Haunted Houses
Reviews:
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Other:
Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- Onion A|V Club
- NY Mag review
- The Atlantic
- Slate
- Rolling Stone
- Wall Street Journal
- Nola.com
- TV.com
- IGN
- IndieWire
- Boing Boing
- Warming Glow with a few thoughts on last night's episode (there are a couple potential spoilers towards the end)
- Paste Magazine
- Onion A|V Club
- NY Mag review
- The Atlantic
- Slate
- Rolling Stone
- Wall Street Journal
- Nola.com
- TV.com
- IGN
- IndieWire
- Boing Boing
- Warming Glow with a few thoughts on last night's episode (there are a couple potential spoilers towards the end)
- Paste Magazine
Videos:
- Inside the Episode
- Preview for next weeks episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Clip from Episode 6: Its All Your Fault
- Preview for next weeks episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Clip from Episode 6: Its All Your Fault
Other:
- NY Mag interview: True Detectives Michelle Monaghan on Maggies Big Moment and Connecting With Cohle
- Emily Nussbaum on TD for The New Yorker
- YahooTV: 'True Detective' Star Michelle Monaghan on Maggie's Predatory Turn and the Show's 'Shocking,' 'Disturbing' Resolution
- Slate: The Horrible Things That Men Do to Women - Yes, True Detective treats its female characters badly. That's the point.
- Music listings
- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why Men Should Want True Detective To Have Great, Nuanced Female Characters
- Molly Lambert for Grantland: Her Looming Shadow Grows: The Complex Women of True Detective
- Maureen Ryan: 'True Detective,' Flat Circles And The Eternal Search For Meaning
- LA Times: Music and 'True Detective': A playlist of grim songs score HBO drama (includes a Spotify playlist with most of the music)
- Salon: True Detective vs. film noir
- Grantland's Hollywood Prospectus Podcast talks True Detective this week, among other things. Keep in mind that Andy Greenwald isn't a huge fan of the show.
- Fukunaga confirmed to not be coming back for season 2
- HBOs True Detective Uncovers Series High On Sunday
- Youtube playlist with almost all of the music from TD via io9
- Emily Nussbaum on TD for The New Yorker
- YahooTV: 'True Detective' Star Michelle Monaghan on Maggie's Predatory Turn and the Show's 'Shocking,' 'Disturbing' Resolution
- Slate: The Horrible Things That Men Do to Women - Yes, True Detective treats its female characters badly. That's the point.
- Music listings
- Alyssa Rosenberg: Why Men Should Want True Detective To Have Great, Nuanced Female Characters
- Molly Lambert for Grantland: Her Looming Shadow Grows: The Complex Women of True Detective
- Maureen Ryan: 'True Detective,' Flat Circles And The Eternal Search For Meaning
- LA Times: Music and 'True Detective': A playlist of grim songs score HBO drama (includes a Spotify playlist with most of the music)
- Salon: True Detective vs. film noir
- Grantland's Hollywood Prospectus Podcast talks True Detective this week, among other things. Keep in mind that Andy Greenwald isn't a huge fan of the show.
- Fukunaga confirmed to not be coming back for season 2
- HBOs True Detective Uncovers Series High On Sunday
- Youtube playlist with almost all of the music from TD via io9
Moff
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finally got the time to catch up this show
absolutey love everything about it, great pictures, writing and acting, although I do think the tone of the show changed quite a bit with the biker episode, and not necessarily for the better, cant say I liked the last three episodes as much as the first three.
I will read up on the thread if I find the time, just something that bothered me, the nazi in the prison was surprised that there was a connection between the "killer" and his ex wife, and I think cohle believed him in the end.
but he mentioned that they both were talking about the yellow king (at the beginning of the show when they talked about his ex wife, and later then they confronted him about his inmate), which makes it obvious to anyone that there was more to it, especially cohle who notes everything should have made that connection, or did I get it wrong?
absolutey love everything about it, great pictures, writing and acting, although I do think the tone of the show changed quite a bit with the biker episode, and not necessarily for the better, cant say I liked the last three episodes as much as the first three.
I will read up on the thread if I find the time, just something that bothered me, the nazi in the prison was surprised that there was a connection between the "killer" and his ex wife, and I think cohle believed him in the end.
but he mentioned that they both were talking about the yellow king (at the beginning of the show when they talked about his ex wife, and later then they confronted him about his inmate), which makes it obvious to anyone that there was more to it, especially cohle who notes everything should have made that connection, or did I get it wrong?
So vey good questions that gafers made.
There's a map that some reddit user did based on the one that's in the Rust wall.
There's a map that some reddit user did based on the one that's in the Rust wall.
As someone pointed out in the reddit thread It seems that all the points are easily accessible by boat, so ¿cthulhu?
Also I can remember that the police chief tell to Rust to go fishing or something, maybe every word in this show is more that it seems.
Also I can remember that the police chief tell to Rust to go fishing or something, maybe every word in this show is more that it seems.
I agree. If anything Rust is a misanthrope.
That was before we knew to look for it though, right? This is definitely a show I need to watch through again once it's done. Shit be everywhere.
Anton Sugar
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Was this posted already?
Mind = blown. Can't believe I didn't catch it before.
That was before we knew to look for it though, right? This is definitely a show I need to watch through again once it's done. Shit be everywhere.
Spiral was first shown in episode 1, since it was on the victim, right?
Definitely saw the formation the first time, very cool moment. I'm pretty sure that's the episode where Rust discusses his hallucinations, though.
That was before we knew to look for it though, right? This is definitely a show I need to watch through again once it's done. Shit be everywhere.
Jeez.. I'm really hoping season 2 is on the same level but can't help but feel pessimistic lol
bob_arctor
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I though this was as they got to the burnt church, no? So Rust would have known the symbol already from the first victim.
I think we're in for disappointment. This show has phenomenal writing, acting, directing and editing all working in beautiful concert. S2 will be well written, but it remains to be seen if we'll ever be so lucky with the rest. This just might be lighting in a bottle...
Yup! You guys are right. I was thinking it was before he saw the symbol on the victim for some reason.
Though now we can argue if Rust was seeing clues where there were none and imagining conspiracies where there aren't.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Please expand on this.
I cannot wait for his Fox series and his upcoming movie with Mr. Elba.
Extra Sauce
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Plus Pizzolatto might have had a lot more time to come up with the season 1 script than he will get for season 2.
I'm expecting season 2 to be good, maybe even great... but I'll be surprised if it reaches the same heights. Not to be pessimistic, it's just that season 1 is that phenomenal.
Cornballer
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I think I missed this one last week. It's a long interview:
- Vanity Fair: True Detective’s Grisly Murders, Rejected Hairstyles, and Big Hug Mug Backstory, from Director Cary Fukunaga
- Vanity Fair: True Detective’s Grisly Murders, Rejected Hairstyles, and Big Hug Mug Backstory, from Director Cary Fukunaga
Much more via the link.
Robot Pants
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Usually with how good I think season 1 is, I would feel the same. But something tells me this time Pizzolatto will deliver.
Moff
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well the first three episodes were really low key, calm. pictures and impressions spoke more than actions. the biker episode was full of action, didnt fit at all with the previous episodes. I didnt like it at all, the irritating and gritty calm was what I liked most about the show. the biker episode felt more like something I'd see in csi vegas. I understand that the show needs to change as the investigagion progresses and I hope it changes again to deliever two satisfying final episodes.
I definitely saw the spiral in the bird formation the first time, cohle even said it was a hallucination after he saw it.
Anton Sugar
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Interesting. I do like The Murder Ballads, but it sounds like murder doesn't have to be the focus of each season.
CreepingFear
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The problem with title is that I almost end up saying "True Blood" because they are both on HBO.
Private investigator now
Kadayi
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With Season one they were clearly happy with the script/outline Pizzolatto submitted. It's not inconceivable that they might green light his new script without interference assuming it holds up well. However for his own sanity it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for them to get in at least another writer or a small team as I could imagine trying to do the whole thing yourself must be kind of challenging having set the bar so high already and feeling the weight of that inevitable follow up expectation (dat tricky second album).
However a lot depends on whether Pizzolatto is good with that. Albeit he worked on the US version of the Killing from what he's written about it, it's clear it wasn't for him. Of course he wasn't the lead writer on that so obviously the situation would be a lot different with True detective though. Having other writers on board would be beneficial in terms of adding some more voices to side characters though. There's been a lot of criticism of the side characters being all very flat and I think that's valid to some degree though given TD season one has really centered around the Rust & Marty relationship (with Maggie coming to the fore more in episode 6) I don't see it as that problematic at least for this season.
Obviously second season, new characters, new case and likely new time & location. However the other thing to consider is new approach to story-telling. The interviewing about the past approach of this series has been great, but i don't think it would be possible to attempt the same thing with a second season without coming across as more of the same. The narrative approach has to change up. It might be that they take a lead from Deadwood and that each episode is a day in the investigation, or even a mini 24 with everything seemingly occurring in real-time (including toilet breaks) over 8 hours. I suspect the latter is unlikely, but who knows. definitely interested to see.
Don't think its any biggie over Fukunaga heading off. He's cemented his reputation based of the good work hes's done with the show, and bringing a new director in keeps the show fresh. I'm really looking forward to finding out who they get on board.
If they could get Roger Deakins in for the cinematography that would be ace as well
Glad they stuck with True Detective as the title. Murder Ballads would kind of lock the show into every case being homicide, and albeit that's likely the case having the freedom to deviate is beneficial.
Murder ballads is pretty appropriate I think, it's poetic. True detective is pulpy, but given that its an anthology I see why it was chosen.
charlequin
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I think there's an issue with starting from one premise ("Does the show have a problem?") and then jumping in to answer a question about a different one ("Does the show have this one specific, really bad problem?")
I don't think True Detective is "misogynist" in the most strongly-held sense; it doesn't make an effort to strongly advance a fundamentally sexist worldview or encourage the audience to positively identify with the violence that happens against women. I don't think it's correct to read the things Marty (who is a misogynist) says as authorial voice, the same way it's not right to read Rust's nihilist philosophy as being the objective meaning of the show.
I do think it has a fairly significant problem with the way women are written relative to men, which arises from a variety of causes (gender-biased premise of sexual murders against nameless women; generic HBO boobie shots; general poor writing of supporting characters; insufficient deconstruction of sexist noir tropes; what seems like trouble constructing good dialogue for women on Pizzolato's part; etc.) and leaves gender as an unfortunate low point in a generally good show.
For his part, Pizzolato seems to get why there's an issue and his comments make it sound like he'll be addressing it in S2, so we'll see how that works out.
NYCmetsfan
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They've even said it might not even be detectives in the traditional sense just a mystery people have to uncover
charlequin
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The sophomore slump is a thing for a reason. Most creative people can't do as well on time constraints as they can with the idea that they've picked at for years in their brain, polishing the corners and incorporating everything that happens to them in their life.
Being a TV show helps, though. Teaming up with new actors and a new director will help give the next season a kick. We'll see how the last two eps go, but I'm still pretty positive on getting a few very good years out of this show.
There is basically no part of that episode you would ever see on CSI Las Vegas.
TrAcEr_x90
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Shit I forgot he was having those at the start of the show. I really hope this doesnt lead to some cheap this was all a hallucination type crap...
From every interview I've read, it seems like this is really something the Piz wants to do, so if he continues to have that passion driving him and he continues to surround himself with talented people to work with then I'm optimistic. I feel like the sophomore slump is more common in movies then it is TV series.
In TV I find the sophomore slump is more common going from the pilot to the second episode, where they clearly spent years developing one great hour of TV only to find themselves greenlit without as much thought going into the rest of the season. True Detective was clearly conceived as one singular story across 8 hours, so it avoids that problem. Many TV series actually only get better with their second seasons as everyone gets better with the process and more comfortable working with each other (see The Office US, Parks and Rec, Fringe). Then the other slump comes when a series goes on for too long and runs out of ideas, again something True Detective shouldn't have a problem with due to its structure and network.
In TV I find the sophomore slump is more common going from the pilot to the second episode, where they clearly spent years developing one great hour of TV only to find themselves greenlit without as much thought going into the rest of the season. True Detective was clearly conceived as one singular story across 8 hours, so it avoids that problem. Many TV series actually only get better with their second seasons as everyone gets better with the process and more comfortable working with each other (see The Office US, Parks and Rec, Fringe). Then the other slump comes when a series goes on for too long and runs out of ideas, again something True Detective shouldn't have a problem with due to its structure and network.
Kadayi
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The inherent problem with the accusation is that outside of Rust & Marty none of the other characters are particularly well rounded (although I'd personally say Maggie came to the fore in the last episode), whether they are male, female, black or white, and in large part for the purposes of the narrative it's not necessary for them to be, simply because they are juncture points to advancement of a story which is really the tale of the Rust & Marty and the investigation that both made them, broke them and ultimately reunites them.
Also I dislike the way 'misogyny' is being hijacked from it's original meaning ('hated of women') into a replacement for 'sexism'. The distinction is getting abraded and unfortunately its muddying the exploration of either as related but also distinct conditions. Misogyny can also elude to a mistrust of women, that is not necessarily grounded in sexual repression and that understanding is getting lost in the mix.
She disappeared years ago. It was only really because they happened to be in the area canvasing about Dora Lange that they heard about her missing from the old dude and then went to the house and Cohle chanced upon the stick sculpture. She's still missing, which probably means she's dead tbh.
I could be imagining things, but in the 2012 interview scenes her left eye seemed darkened or bruised, as if she'd suffered blunt trauma there at some point.
Not the best picture for the 2012 scene but I think you can still see it.
Solideliquid
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Season 2 confirmed?
Cornballer
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Not yet, but it's going to happen.
I could be imagining things, but in the 2012 interview scenes her left eye seemed darkened or bruised, as if she'd suffered blunt trauma there at some point.
Not the best picture for the 2012 scene but I think you can still see it.
I think that's just a combination of the lighting and the aging they gave to her via makeup. I wouldn't read into it too much.
This should be the next thread title.
Probably. I recommend checking it out in the actual episode though, it's far more noticeable.
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I don't know, I didn't notice anything off about her in those scenes so I wouldn't say that
I cant help but feel like a lot of the mysoginist accusations are mostly here because of episode 6. Maggie did a horrible thing that was seemingly necessary but at the expense of everyones favorite character. The most emotionally intelligent character in one moment does something ugly, manipulative and cruel. Personally I like that Maggie ended up going scorched earth, she was remorseful. It makes her less of your typical nosey houswife and more layered. The viewer is on her side throughout all of her husbands philanderings. She is clearly the better half as she's contrasted to her piece of shit husband. Aside from these characters there isn't anyone, male or female who is fleshed out. Any mysogyny is a consequence of the masculine nature of the show and not necessarily indicative of pizzaloto being a chauvanist. Film noir is filled with female victims. I'd rather the author make the work he wants than contrive something to appeal to our progressive sensibilities, because at that point he's not an auteur.
Edit: what maggie did also gave for a great scene with rust. We see that he is a man, makes mistakes and seeks penance by taking a few blows from marty. Fucking maggie is one of the more human moments for him imo.
"I contemplate the moment in the garden , the idea of allowing your own crucifiction"
Edit: what maggie did also gave for a great scene with rust. We see that he is a man, makes mistakes and seeks penance by taking a few blows from marty. Fucking maggie is one of the more human moments for him imo.
"I contemplate the moment in the garden , the idea of allowing your own crucifiction"
TrumanBurbank
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I know he is busy with the Better Call Saul show, but imagine if they get Vince Gilligan for Season 2 as director. Or someone like Michelle McClaren. Or Michael Slovis.
Would be sweet.
Would be sweet.
Kadayi
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The 2012 detectives did say something at beginning of their interview with Maggie that she need not worry about her ex-husband, so I guess there's the possibility that Marty roughed her up, but if so we haven't seen it yet. Also she's a Mrs Sawyer now.
Like Rust they've certainly aged her up a bit around the eyes etc. Despite the lack of hair Marty seems to have come off the best.
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