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continuing.....

In the beginning of episode 4, we get right into the meaty stuff. Cohle and Hart are interviewing Dora’s ex, Charlie, again. This is what he said when he was being questioned about Ledoux:
"He said that there's this place down south where all these rich men go to, uh, devil-worship. He said that, uh, they sacrifice kids, and whatnot. Women and children all got murdered there, and um, something about someplace called Carcosa and the Yellow King. He said there's all these like old stones out in the woods, people go to like worship. He said, uh... He said there's just so much good killin' down there. Reggie got this brand on his back, like in a spiral? He says that's their sign."
Charlie lays it all down. Rich men, devil worshipping, sacrifices, Carcosa and the Yellow King. With this information, and with the information we’ve gathered so far, we're getting the bigger picture. A cult of powerful people who’ve come to worship the Yellow King, by sacrificing women and grooming them from young age. Dora’s friend mentioned that there was a place down south next to a ”Spanish lake” (Lake Hali) where there was a shelter where girls used to stay.

Now, it’s worth mentioning that there isn’t any mention of cults or sacrifices in the book ”The King in Yellow”, written by Chambers. It was no other than H.P Lovecraft that introduced cults into the mythos. To understand what they were worshipping in Lovecraft’s world, we need to take a look at the Cthulhu mythos. There are mainly two types of different Gods that are relevant, the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods. The Great Old Ones are powerful, ancient entities worshipped by crazy human cults. The Outer Gods however have unlimited influence in comparison and function on a more cosmic scale.

Here’s an excerpt from ”Call of Cthulhu”, where an Inspector John Legrasse of the New Orleans police department raids a cult ritual gathering, capturing several of its members:
”They worshipped, so they said, the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky. Those Old Ones were gone now, inside the earth and under the sea; but their dead bodies had told their secrets in dreams to the first men, who formed a cult which had never died.”

Here’s another excerpt from ”The Whisperer in Darkness”, written by Lovecraft as well:
”There is a whole secret cult of evil men (a man of your mystical erudition will understand me when I link them with Hastur and the Yellow Sign) devoted to the purpose of tracking them down and injuring them on behalf of monstrous powers from other dimensions. It is against these aggressors—not against normal humanity—that the drastic precautions of the Outer Ones are directed. Incidentally, I learned that many of our lost letters were stolen not by the Outer Ones but by the emissaries of this malign cult.”
It is not known what Hastur actually is, but what is important to note here is that both ”Hastur” and the ”Yellow sign” are being linked together in relation to the cult. Why is that important? Because both exist in the book ”The King in Yellow”, and is therefore part of the yellow mythos.

In episode 5, our detectives finally find Ledoux. (Notice Ledoux smirk when he sees Cohle.)
When he’s put down on his knees, Ledoux asks if it’s time. He mentions that the black stars rise (sound familiar?), that he knows what happens next. He’s seen Cohle in his dreams and that he’s with him in Carcosa now. He continues on to say that Cohle will do this again and that time is a flat circle. Meanwhile, we see Hart discovering the children.

There’s a story called ”THE REPAIRER OF REPUTATIONS” in the book ”The King in Yellow” by Chambers. The story is basically about a young man who’s personality changes drastically, following a head injury. After reading the dreaded play ”The King in Yellow”, the man becomes even more insane. He deludes himself into thinking that he’ll become the ”Last King”:

”The time had come, the people should know the son of Hastur, and the whole world bow to the black stars which hang in the sky over Carcosa.”

The reason why Ledoux or Cohle doesn’t care is because they believe in eternal return. Time is a flat circle. Everything will repeat itself, rebirth is a fact, no matter what we do. We as human beings are powerless to the greater forces, but we’re so engrossed in believing in our self-importance that we don’t realise that we’re trapped in ourselves. We are prisoners of our own consciousness, and the ”real truth” is far too depressing for us to accept, or even comprehend. We value life, as we fear death. What we don’t realise is that there’s a third factor at play, which the other two merely are a product of. What we perceive to be an eternity is in fact - a flat circle.

When looking at the cult, perhaps it can be argued that the they believe that by worshipping The Greater Gods by sacrificing people, it takes them to an unknown alternate realm in which the Yellow King resides, known as Carcosa.

By the end of episode 5, we know for a fact that the two black detectives are trying to pin Cohle for the murders. They’ve grown tired of his - in their mind, irrational ramblings, and it further confirms their belief that Cohle is the mastermind behind it all. They got their man as far as they’re concerned, and are eager to call it a day. However, Cohle knows that it’s not over. Chole knows exactly what he’s doing, and has been working tirelessly for all this time, most likely in tandem with Hart to some degree. They know how corrupt the system is from the inside, where pinning scapegoats and sloppy police work leads to rewards from the overlords that rule the show. There’s a reason why he got shafted, and he and Hart are going to see to it that those responsible will pay for the crimes they committed. As far as they’re concerned, the world will know the truth of the happenings in Louisiana, and it’s so maddening that it will shake society to its core.

Okay, there's is going to be potential spoilers about the cult from this point, so warning!

Okay, this is a tough nut to crack. If we look at the clues, we might be able to decipher where the cult might actually be. Before, we've heard time and again that the yellow king has been spotted in the woods, and that the cult has been worshipping there. However, what we also know is that the cult’s been linked with fires. We have the burned church, the burned man, the burning sign on the leaflet amongst other things. With that in mind, let’s look at Cassilda's song in its entirety:

Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.


Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.

Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa
.
Let’s go back and look at Episode 2, titled ”Seeing things". Look at the highlighted part. Remember the twin suns reference which we saw right right after Hart and Cohle visited the burned church? It’s being alluded that ”Carcosa” is in fact nearby that particular place, but it’s still not enough to draw any reasonable conclusions. However, we have another major hint. Remember when Cohle was seeing the very bright sky when traveling in the car with Hart? It’s right after they leave the Bunny ranch. This is a reference to ”Along the shore the cloud waves break”, alluding that the place they were driving through when that took place is also nearby ”Carcosa”. In both instances, what physical place are they close to, that can be linked with fire, an element we’ve linked with the cult already?

Still not convinced? Just look at the opening sequence. Why does that place have such a major presence? We’ve seen it multiple times on the show, acting as a backdrop, but we’ve never really thought much about it otherwise. However, by connecting the dots, we can truly see what it is that we didn’t see before. I could be totally wrong, but whether these things are merely incidental or not, we'll know for sure in a couple of weeks’ time For the time being, it's food for thought..

I just want to end this by saying that Nic Pizzolatto has written a television masterpiece. To incorporate such abstract and complex elements and philosophies is very dangerous if you don’t do it absolutely right, but Pizzolatto has done this flawlessly. Even with the time jumps, the story stays consistent and grounded in its own reality. It leaves us analytical and craving for more. It makes us question the concepts of reality and truth, in the quest of finding out what really is out there.

Whatever happens, I’m certain that we’ll be in for one hell of a ride.
 
the end of episode 4 and then all of episode 5 was masterful tv

i really feel like i have to watch every episode again before sunday to appreciate all the details though
 
As the episode 3 continues, we find out that Hart’s daughter has drawn some pretty obscene pictures of people performing sexual acts on each other. One of the depicted men even has a ski mask on. I don’t know about you, but those are very specific pictures for a little girl to draw, who should be oblivious when it comes to sex. No, what’s happening here is that she’s clearly being groomed. While her parents were too busy arguing with each other, they failed to pick up on the fact that external forces were influencing their daughter in very obscene ways.

I'm going to quote myself from a few posts back here (with a bit of elaboration): -

looking for exterior forces/rationales as to why Marty's older daughter breaks bad kind of robs her of free will as a person subject to her own capricious nature and desires. There's actually something vaguely off about that line of thinking, especially in regard to girls and an assumption of (inherent) female passivity somehow being the norm.

I get the desire to connect the dots, but not everything necessarily has to tie into the narrative in terms of being somehow a direct resultant.

If there is indeed a secret cult operating in Louisiana grooming children for sacrifice, does it make a whole heap of sense for them to go after the daughter of a prominent state detective versus the broken home white trash backwoods children whose deaths they've managed to cover up so successfully? Least of all one who was directly involved in the Dora Lange investigation? Beyond gotcha narrative convenience what would be the motivation for the cultists? Re-arousing the suspicion of either Hart or Cohle is the thing they least want to do (consider how they dealt with the blabbermouth). The very notion conflicts with the idea that the 'anti-christian task force' was somehow set up by the 'rich men' behind things to take over and down play the Dora Lange murder case.

Now I'm certainly not going to rule out that Audrey Hart might not find herself on the mortuary slab in future episodes, but if it did play out that way, it would be a pretty disappointing melodramatic turn of events to suddenly personalize the investigation to that extent, as if such a tipping point is required on top of the events we've already seen to somehow maximise the awfulness of what these 'devil worshipers' have been up to. They abduct, sexually abuse and kill children and vulnerable young women. We already know they're bad people.

Kudos for the big write up, but not all roads need to lead to Rome and not everything needs to fit within a perfect circle.
 
- Warming Glow Interview: Charles Halford From ‘True Detective’ On Playing Reggie Ledoux, Meeting Richard Simmons
UPROXX: Regarding the scene in the woods we saw on Sunday night. How much time was spent in the makeup chair getting all of those tattoos strategically placed all over your body?

CHARLES: Well there were the tattoos and the beard and they also bleached me out. It was probably like four, maybe five hours when they had to go from scratch the first day and then once we kind of knew where everything was placed it was easier. It was a long time and the day that they did the brains it was like seven hours in the chair, something like that.

UPROXX: Oh wow. That leads to another question I had — I was wondering how much of your head exploding, was actually shot on scene versus, you know, special effects in post production.

CHARLES: It was a lot of makeup and I think they threw some good special effects on it to really sell it. Cause yeah they just had my head just explode. I mean the makeup was awesome. The makeup artist did an amazing job on everybody in the show. She deserves all the awards. Like, everybody on that show was just amazing, but she was especially. I remember her just staying up all night to get it right. That’s what’s so cool about HBO — you had super huge stars and a head of the class director and ground-breaking writing, but it felt so much like an indie film. Like she stayed up all night the night before making the blob that she put on my head.

UPROXX: Back to Reggie’s tattoos, there seems to be some debate online about whether or not Reggie had the spiral symbol on his back that Dora Lange’s ex-husband Charlie claimed he had while they bunking together in prison. I don’t know if you can talk about this or not. Was that symbol/tattoo there and some of us just missed it? Or not?

CHARLES: Yeah, no he’s got it, it’s branded on there, like right above the pentagram on his back, between his shoulder blades.

UPROXX: So you had to wear these tattoos for how many days?

CHARLES: Well they were good for a couple of days. It just saved everybody time if I could keep them clean, you know. But check it out — the Hyatt where I was staying ended up being like a prison because I had Swastikas on neck and stuff like that beard. I couldn’t even leave the Hyatt because I didn’t want to go out in the street as Reggie Ledoux.
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CHARLES: Well they were good for a couple of days. It just saved everybody time if I could keep them clean, you know. But check it out — the Hyatt where I was staying ended up being like a prison because I had Swastikas on neck and stuff like that beard. I couldn’t even leave the Hyatt because I didn’t want to go out in the street as Reggie Ledoux.

ROFL. Poor guy. I don't blame him at all. I hope room service was good at least. :P
 
This show is definitely going to be a Blu-Ray purchase for me. I'm never really inclined to purchase a TV show either. Being 8 episodes makes it easier to digest somewhat regularly too. I mean hey, it's shorter than the LOTR trilogy. I just wish we didn't have to wait so long for it to come out. Don't they usually take about a year before they're released? I saw that s3 of Game of Thrones is coming out this week.
 
This show is definitely going to be a Blu-Ray purchase for me. I'm never really inclined to purchase a TV show either. Being 8 episodes makes it easier to digest somewhat regularly too. I mean hey, it's shorter than the LOTR trilogy. I just wish we didn't have to wait so long for it to come out. Don't they usually take about a year before they're released? I saw that s3 of Game of Thrones is coming out this week.
It depends on the show, but usually they release the dvd/blu-ray a few weeks before a new season for marketing synergy and all the jazz. Sometimes we'll get them early if they go another route and want to sell to people for the holiday season, so keep your fingers crossed. In any case, it'll be a while.
 
I know this may have been mentioned, and it has been theorized that Cohle may be deep undercover even as a detective, but I caught something I missed in E1 the first time last night.

In the background of the police station, focused on Cohle at his desk, you can hear two other detectives talking about him and one says "You know, he's IA." This surprised me in it's bluntness; later on I believe the same detective calls Cohle a "rat bastard" and then Cohle slaps him.

May have been mentioned, may have no significance, but I found it very interesting to hear that said so matter-of-fact.
 
Some TD pixel art:

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I know this may have been mentioned, and it has been theorized that Cohle may be deep undercover even as a detective, but I caught something I missed in E1 the first time last night.

In the background of the police station, focused on Cohle at his desk, you can hear two other detectives talking about him and one says "You know, he's IA." This surprised me in it's bluntness; later on I believe the same detective calls Cohle a "rat bastard" and then Cohle slaps him.

May have been mentioned, may have no significance, but I found it very interesting to hear that said so matter-of-fact.
I assume that Cohle's file was sealed because he was undercover for the drug cases (I think they mention this in the first episode?) and the other detectives misinterpreted the sealed file as Cohle being Internal Affairs.
 
huge posts
Thanks for posting. I don't have much to add (except that I was not aware of the Yellow King references in HPL, despite having read a LOT of HPL), but I wanted you to know that someone read your post and enjoyed it. Thanks.
 
I know this may have been mentioned, and it has been theorized that Cohle may be deep undercover even as a detective, but I caught something I missed in E1 the first time last night.

In the background of the police station, focused on Cohle at his desk, you can hear two other detectives talking about him and one says "You know, he's IA." This surprised me in it's bluntness; later on I believe the same detective calls Cohle a "rat bastard" and then Cohle slaps him.

May have been mentioned, may have no significance, but I found it very interesting to hear that said so matter-of-fact.
Most everything in cohles jacket is sealed or redacted. As a result his peers ostricize him believing he's a fed or internal affairs. Even the detectives interviewing him in 2012 don't know anything about him.
 
Some TD pixel art:

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I assume that Cohle's file was sealed because he was undercover for the drug cases (I think they mention this in the first episode?) and the other detectives misinterpreted the sealed file as Cohle being Internal Affairs.

Most everything in cohles jacket is sealed or redacted. As a result his peers ostricize him believing he's a fed or internal affairs. Even the detectives interviewing him in 2012 don't know anything about him.

Ah right, right...
 
Thanks for posting. I don't have much to add (except that I was not aware of the Yellow King references in HPL, despite having read a LOT of HPL), but I wanted you to know that someone read your post and enjoyed it. Thanks.

Ditto, read through it all. Really interesting stuff. kmax, at the end there are you referring to the
oil refinery
we've seen in the background of certain scenes and in the opening to the show?
 
I don't know if you've noticed, but so far the show has been hinting at cults and a conspiracy since episode 1.

Exactly my point. Wouldn't it be great if there was no conspiracy? Like Martin said, when you come up with a theory, you start looking at things in a way that serves your theory. Instead of looking at the facts.

I would prefer if that was a core theme, but I'm ready to enjoy where the show takes me.
 
English isn't my first language, so if someone could explain this to me. Why did that other detective call Rust "rat fuck", which caused Rust to slap him. Did I miss anything? Rat is usually a snitch, no?
 
English isn't my first language, so if someone could explain this to me. Why did that other detective call Rust "rat fuck", which caused Rust to slap him. Did I miss anything? Rat is usually a snitch, no?

Yes. He called him that because he thinks he is an Internal Affairs snitch.
 
English isn't my first language, so if someone could explain this to me. Why did that other detective call Rust "rat fuck", which caused Rust to slap him. Did I miss anything? Rat is usually a snitch, no?

If I remember correctly, it's because they think he's internal affairs. But his dossier is classified because of his undercover work.
 
This show is definitely going to be a Blu-Ray purchase for me. I'm never really inclined to purchase a TV show either. Being 8 episodes makes it easier to digest somewhat regularly too. I mean hey, it's shorter than the LOTR trilogy. I just wish we didn't have to wait so long for it to come out. Don't they usually take about a year before they're released? I saw that s3 of Game of Thrones is coming out this week.

I've had the same thought. I virtually never rewatch TV dramas but that season will be perfect for the occasional rewatch. In addition to the relatively low number of episodes and self-contained nature of the season, the fact that it's entirely written and directed by the same two dudes helps make it feel like one long film; no pointless subplots/filler material, just a tightly constructed narrative that I will want to come back to.
 
I've had the same thought. I virtually never rewatch TV dramas but that season will be perfect for the occasional rewatch. In addition to the relatively low number of episodes and self-contained nature of the season, the fact that it's entirely written and directed by the same two dudes helps make it feel like one long film; no pointless subplots/filler material, just a tightly constructed narrative that I will want to come back to.
I have to imagine that the special features will also include some interesting production diaries and interviews with the cast & crew.
 
I'm going to quote myself from a few posts back here (with a bit of elaboration): -


I get the desire to connect the dots, but not everything necessarily has to tie into the narrative in terms of being somehow a direct resultant.

If there is indeed a secret cult operating in Louisiana grooming children for sacrifice, does it make a whole heap of sense for them to go after the daughter of a prominent state detective versus the broken home white trash backwoods children whose deaths they've managed to cover up so successfully? Least of all one who was directly involved in the Dora Lange investigation? Beyond gotcha narrative convenience what would be the motivation for the cultists? Re-arousing the suspicion of either Hart or Cohle is the thing they least want to do (consider how they dealt with the blabbermouth). The very notion conflicts with the idea that the 'anti-christian task force' was somehow set up by the 'rich men' behind things to take over and down play the Dora Lange murder case.

Now I'm certainly not going to rule out that Audrey Hart might not find herself on the mortuary slab in future episodes, but if it did play out that way, it would be a pretty disappointing melodramatic turn of events to suddenly personalize the investigation to that extent, as if such a tipping point is required on top of the events we've already seen to somehow maximise the awfulness of what these 'devil worshipers' have been up to. They abduct, sexually abuse and kill children and vulnerable young women. We already know they're bad people.

Kudos for the big write up, but not all roads need to lead to Rome and not everything needs to fit within a perfect circle.

Thanks.

I see your point, but we don't have a full picture on how these guys operate and who they target, so we can only speculate. I firmly believe however that his daughter's been influenced, simply by looking at her radical change in her behavior that has stayed for such a long time. The contrast between both daughters makes me think that something's up. While Marty and his wife have been busy with life in general, they've failed to pick up on the fact that their elder daughter has been conditioned to believe and do certain things a long time ago. Since they don't understand it, they simply assume that she's going through a teenage phase, whent she manifested this alarming behavior many years prior. But yeah, I totally agree that it's pretty stupid to target a detective's daughter that's been investigating the case. These people are clearly insane however, so I wouldn't put it past them.

That's how I see things, at least.

Thanks for posting. I don't have much to add (except that I was not aware of the Yellow King references in HPL, despite having read a LOT of HPL), but I wanted you to know that someone read your post and enjoyed it. Thanks.

I appreciate it. Thank you for reading.

Ditto, read through it all. Really interesting stuff. kmax, at the end there are you referring to the
oil refinery
we've seen in the background of certain scenes and in the opening to the show?

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's certainly being alluded to if we look at the symbolism that's being incorporated from the original work.

Excellent posts Kmax. We are eye to eye in our thinking. Very interesting background stuff going on here.

Thanks man, glad you liked it.
 
continuing.....

In the beginning of episode 4, we get right into the meaty stuff. Cohle and Hart are interviewing Dora’s ex, Charlie, again. This is what he said when he was being questioned about Ledoux:

Charlie lays it all down. Rich men, devil worship, sacrificing, Carcosa and the Yellow King. With this information, and with the information we’ve gathered so far, we're getting the bigger picture. A cult of powerful people who’ve come to worship the Yellow King, by sacrificing women and grooming them from young age. Dora’s friend mentioned that there was a place down south next to a ”Spanish lake” (Lake Hali) where there was a shelter where girls used to stay.

Now, it’s worth mentioning that there isn’t any mention of cults or sacrifices in the book ”The King in Yellow”, written by Chambers. It was no other than H.P Lovecraft that introduced cults into the mythos. To understand what they were worshipping in Lovecraft’s world, we need to take a look at the Cthulhu mythos. There are mainly two types of different Gods that are relevant, the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods. The Great Old Ones are powerful, ancient entities worshipped by crazy human cults. The Outer Gods however have unlimited influence in comparison and function on a more cosmic scale.

Here’s an excerpt from ”Call of Cthulhu”, where an Inspector John Legrasse of the New Orleans police department raids a cult ritual gathering, capturing several of its members:


Here’s another excerpt from ”The Whisperer in Darkness”, written by Lovecraft as well:

It is not known what Hastur actually is, but what is important to note here is that both ”Hastur” and the ”Yellow sign” are being linked together in relation to the cult. Why is that important? Because both exist in the book ”The King in Yellow”, and is therefore part of the yellow mythos.

In episode 5, our detectives finally find Ledoux. (Notice Ledoux smirk when he sees Cohle.)
When he’s put down on his knees, Ledoux asks if it’s time. He mentions that the black stars rise (sound familiar?), that he knows what happens next. He’s seen Cohle in his dreams and that he’s with him in Carcosa now. He continues on to say that Cohle will do this again and that time is a flat circle. Meanwhile, we see Hart discovering the children.

There’s a story called ”THE REPAIRER OF REPUTATIONS” in the book ”The King in Yellow” by Chambers. The story is basically about a young man who’s personality changes drastically, following a head injury. After reading the dreaded play ”The King in Yellow”, the man becomes even more insane. He deludes himself into thinking that he’ll become the ”Last King”:



The reason why Ledoux or Cohle doesn’t care is because they believe in eternal return. Time is a flat circle. Everything will repeat itself, rebirth is a fact, no matter what we do. We as human beings are powerless to the greater forces, but we’re so engrossed in believing in our self-importance that we don’t realise that we’re trapped in ourselves. We are prisoners of our own consciousness, and the ”real truth” is far too depressing for us to accept, or even comprehend. We value life, as we fear death. What we don’t realise is that there’s a third factor at play, which the other two merely are a product of. What we perceive to be an eternity is in fact - a flat circle.

When looking at the cult, perhaps it can be argued that the they believe that by worshipping The Greater Gods by sacrificing people, it takes them to an unknown alternate realm in which the Yellow King resides, known as Carcosa.

By the end of episode 5, we know for a fact that the two black detectives are trying to pin Cohle for the murders. They’ve grown tired of his - in their mind, irrational ramblings, and it further confirms their belief that Cohle is the mastermind behind it all. T got their man as far as they’re concerned, and are eager to call it a day. However, Cohle knows that it’s not over. Chole knows exactly what he’s doing, and has been working tirelessly for all this time, most likely in tandem with Hart to some degree. They know how corrupt the system is from the inside, where pinning scapegoats and sloppy police work leads to rewards from the overlords that rule the show. There’s a reason why he got shafted, and he and Hart are going to see to it that those responsible will pay for the crimes they committed. As far as they’re concerned, the world will know the truth of the happenings in Louisiana, and it’s so maddening that it will shake society to its core.

Okay, there's is going to be potential spoilers about the cult from this point, so warning!

Okay, this is a tough nut to crack. If we look at the clues, we might be able to decipher where the cult might actually be. Before, we've heard time and again that the yellow king has been spotted in the woods, and that the cult has been worshipping there. However, what we also know is that the cult’s been linked with fires. We have the burned church, the burned man, the burning sign on the leaflet amongst other things. With that in mind, let’s look at Cassilda's song in its entirety:


Let’s go back and look at Episode 2, titled ”Seeing things". Look at the highlighted part. Remember the twin suns reference which we saw right right after Hart and Cohle visited the burned church? It’s being alluded that ”Carcosa” is in fact nearby that particular place, but it’s still not enough to draw any reasonable conclusions. However, we have another major hint. Remember when Cohle was seeing the very bright sky when traveling in the car with Hart? It’s right after they leave the Bunny ranch. This is a reference to ”Along the shore the cloud waves break”, alluding that the place they were driving through when that took place is also nearby ”Carcosa”. In both instances, what physical place are they close to, that can be linked with fire, an element we’ve linked with the cult already?

Still not convinced? Just look at the opening sequence. Why does that place have such a major presence? We’ve seen it multiple times on the show, acting as a backdrop, but we’ve never really thought much about it otherwise. However, by connecting the dots, we can truly see what it is that we didn’t see before. I could be totally wrong, but whether these things are merely incidental or not, we'll know for sure in a couple of weeks’ time For the time being, it's food for thought..

I just want to end this by saying that Nic Pizzolatto has written a television masterpiece. To incorporate such abstract and complex elements and philosophies is very dangerous if you don’t do it absolutely right, but Pizzolatto has done this flawlessly. Even with the time jumps, the story stays consistent and grounded in its own reality. It leaves us analytical and craving for more. It makes us question the concepts of reality and truth, in the quest of finding out what really is out there.

Whatever happens, I’m certain that we’ll be in for one hell of a ride.

Wow.
 
I feel like Carcosa and the Yellow King are less physical things as much as they are an idea or state of mind. Reggie telling Rust that the Yellow King sees him and that he's in Carcosa now are more akin to Reggie saying, "you've glimpsed what is happening here and there is no turning back. Your thirst for answers and desire to understand will be your undoing. Be careful what you wish for."

The difference between 1995 Rust and 2012 Rust is that he now understands what Reggie was talking about all of those years ago. Carcosa is a feeling of dread and general hopelessness that there is no escape from. For Reggie, it was his inability to shake his drug addiction and predatory nature. Rust's Carcosa is the Dora Lange case and the realization that no matter what he uncovers, he will never be satisfied. They always returned to where they were before. Not in a physical sense, but mentally. Time is a flat circle for these men. Nothing ever changes and nothing is ever solved.

That's my take on it anyway. I'm really excited to see where the next 2 episodes take us.
 
I think there's a connection we have all been severely overlooking. Rust and Marty have a falling out in 2002. What event happened around that time that could bring about such a scenario? Well, the Sega Dreamcast debuted 9/9/99, and was discontinued in March 2001. What is the logo of the Sega Dreamcast? That's right:
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The Dreamcast is obviously an important object in this ongoing saga.
 
I think there's a connection we have all been severely overlooking. Rust and Marty have a falling out in 2002. What event happened around that time that could bring about such a scenario? Well, the Sega Dreamcast debuted 9/9/99, and was discontinued in March 2001. What is the logo of the Sega Dreamcast? That's right:
XHxbwBy.gif


The Dreamcast is obviously an important object in this ongoing saga.
Does this mean that the King in Yellow is.....
Mega Sonic? :-P
 
Let's not forget the drawings in her notebook as well.

That revelation was my first real red flag. Marty's wife was quite clear that his response to it was less than satisfying.

He was more involved/annoyed at the underage girl at the bunny ranch than he was about the drawings and the barbie thing.

The more i think about it, the more i think its the church. They keep bringing up how everyone is so involved in the church and what Chole thinks is wrong for the place they are. The original girl ran away to a church, which burned down but she disappeared. But i still think the police department is involved in keeping everything hush hush and covering the tracks where it needs to be.

Anyway.. ill rewatch it again tonight and then ill dream up more ridiculous stuff.
 
Man I am in awe with this show! I didn't realize how heavily inspired/influence of the works of HP Lovecraft and related fiction was as this show progressed in the backdrop. This is such a masterful piece of craftsmanship I rarely come across in a TV show. I can't believe the journey is almost finished and the rabbit hole is just getting deeper.
 
Matthew McConaughey is going to be on Jimmy Kimmel live this evening. It'll probably mostly be about Dallas Buyer's Club, but hopefully he'll talk a little about True Detective, as well.
 
Matthew McConaughey is going to be on Jimmy Kimmel live this evening. It'll probably mostly be about Dallas Buyer's Club, but hopefully he'll talk a little about True Detective, as well.

I've always liked him but never really considered him a great actor, but this show...especially the last episode really caught me by surprise.

Sorry I didn't appreciate you as much before Wooderson!
 
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