Funny, the writer says he doesn't have any interest in that either. Lol.
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Funny, the writer says he doesn't have any interest in that either. Lol.
UltimaPooh
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Interview or article on this? Plz.
Psychological Intellect
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Some more random thoughts
-Reverend Tuttle is dead. Who was the first cousin of Edwin Tuttle, the governor of Texas.
-Guy Francis, dude who slit his wrists says that big people know about the Yellow King. ---Guessing that's the governor or the governor and his cuz.
-The Governor/Tuttle had sent the task force to see case files in an earlier episode.
-Tuttle funded Light of The Way scool houses Yellow King shit
- Those trophies are described as "Devil Nets" by the preacher in an earlier ep. Says mostly kids make em.
-Remember, Dora Lang(or was it another girl?) had a diary speaking of the Yellow King? saying that the King's angels were marked(Spirals??).
-Marty wonders if she was regularly does with drugs? Maybe that was what LeDoux's purpose as an "angel" was? Providing the Yellow King with drugs? The Meth and LSD. Black stars n shit.
-Charlie Lang(I think that's his name, the dude who's in prison and used to live with LeDoux) Says that LeDoux told him about a place where rich people(Tuttles?) devil worship and sacrifice kids(women and children) and the spiral brand is their sign.
-I'm guessing the criteria for the women has to do with sexual history
-Reverend Tuttle is dead. Who was the first cousin of Edwin Tuttle, the governor of Texas.
-Guy Francis, dude who slit his wrists says that big people know about the Yellow King. ---Guessing that's the governor or the governor and his cuz.
-The Governor/Tuttle had sent the task force to see case files in an earlier episode.
-Tuttle funded Light of The Way scool houses Yellow King shit
- Those trophies are described as "Devil Nets" by the preacher in an earlier ep. Says mostly kids make em.
-Remember, Dora Lang(or was it another girl?) had a diary speaking of the Yellow King? saying that the King's angels were marked(Spirals??).
-Marty wonders if she was regularly does with drugs? Maybe that was what LeDoux's purpose as an "angel" was? Providing the Yellow King with drugs? The Meth and LSD. Black stars n shit.
-Charlie Lang(I think that's his name, the dude who's in prison and used to live with LeDoux) Says that LeDoux told him about a place where rich people(Tuttles?) devil worship and sacrifice kids(women and children) and the spiral brand is their sign.
-I'm guessing the criteria for the women has to do with sexual history
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ective-20140108,0,6934835.story#axzz2tf1EqkMY
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/true-detective-writer-nic-pizzolatto-tells-tall-tales-20140113
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-mind-of-true-detective-s-nic-pizzolatto.html
It's clear he has no real interest in the mystery itself in the conventional sense, only so much as there being a sort of mystery that unfolds allows him to tell a story about these two men, who they are, what they did, and the world around them. It's very much a character study piece about two detectives caught in solving a crime that is more than what it seems, rather than a traditional whodunnit with a heavy focus on the killer and the crimes.
movie_club
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yeah, obviously. The guy said the Yellow King is in with "big people" and that is why they have not caught him.
Also, when the two 2012 detectives show Rust the photo he says:
"How did you keep it out of the news? Got friends in high places?"
Basically I think the intuition that task force was there to brush it aside and jumble it with other anti-christian crimes is because the murder is connected to people in high places/
Like the Marty- father in law idea but I feel like if that were the case he would have at least had two scenes thus far.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What if the current day detectives end up doing what Rust and Marty couldn't do which is solve the case.
This is awesome. Love reading pieces about how there are hints that point to underlying themes, not really interested in pieces pointing out clues to "solve" the mystery
Psychological Intellect
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That second quote....I already feel bad about whatever's gonna happen to Marty's daughter.
Yeah, I really don't see the father in law angle. I agree with you that it was just a set up scene to show that they don;t particularly like one another.
Honestly, I feel like the scene we saw with Marty's father-in-law was more to set up their relationship, so when he lays into Marty on the phone, it's not completely out of left field. I don't remember the scene very well, but I remember thinking it was more to contrast how the outside world views these horrible crimes versus how the cop investigating them sees the world.
JCreasy
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My theories:
- Was Reggie a victim of the yellow king? His spiral was burned off, indicating that he decided to distance himself from the "culture" that Rust observed in the Lang case. Admittedly, he's a victim that evolved into a victimizer - he was clearly abusing kids. I think it's interesting that he's overtly tatted every evil/demonic symbol on himself, but it's the spiral that he decided to burn off. That's the symbol he could not tolerate.
- the serial killer may have been a victim of the yellow king. He may be acting out after years of abuse. Or maybe the yellow king is in fact a crazed sex abuse victim, and the original monster is the pedophile who created people like him and Reggie.
- Marty's daughter has possibly been exposed to this "culture" - this cult. I think the fact that she's caught with two guys, coupled with the strange barbie scene, tells us that she may have a fixation with group sex. I think the abuse is happening in a school environment.
- Was Reggie a victim of the yellow king? His spiral was burned off, indicating that he decided to distance himself from the "culture" that Rust observed in the Lang case. Admittedly, he's a victim that evolved into a victimizer - he was clearly abusing kids. I think it's interesting that he's overtly tatted every evil/demonic symbol on himself, but it's the spiral that he decided to burn off. That's the symbol he could not tolerate.
- the serial killer may have been a victim of the yellow king. He may be acting out after years of abuse. Or maybe the yellow king is in fact a crazed sex abuse victim, and the original monster is the pedophile who created people like him and Reggie.
- Marty's daughter has possibly been exposed to this "culture" - this cult. I think the fact that she's caught with two guys, coupled with the strange barbie scene, tells us that she may have a fixation with group sex. I think the abuse is happening in a school environment.
Marty becomes noticeably defensive of Cohle when the detectives start the Tuttle line of questioning. In fact, broaching the topic of Tuttle is a bit of a watershed moment in the meeting. It's no longer a formal interview; at that point, Marty threatens to leave and the detectives finally reveal that they've been suspecting Cohle all along.
Anyways, many of us had suspected Reverend Tuttle of playing a part since the first episode, so honestly this isn't a huge revelation. I'm just wondering if his death really was a suicide caused by Cohle's off-the-grid sleuthing. Marty's defensiveness in the scene may imply that he knows Cohle had something to do with Tuttle.
Anyways, I don't want to start over-speculating. More than anything, I'm eager to see how Cohle's mental shield of nihilism will stack up against the the truly dark, soul-scarring shit he might uncover in the next episodes.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I really jumped in my seat at a scene in Cohle's search of the school. Its when the camera pans across a classroom doorway with a visible silhouette of a person standing in it. Cohle's flashlight reveals it to be a statue of Jesus. Holy shit that was a creepy sequence.
Anyways, many of us had suspected Reverend Tuttle of playing a part since the first episode, so honestly this isn't a huge revelation. I'm just wondering if his death really was a suicide caused by Cohle's off-the-grid sleuthing. Marty's defensiveness in the scene may imply that he knows Cohle had something to do with Tuttle.
Anyways, I don't want to start over-speculating. More than anything, I'm eager to see how Cohle's mental shield of nihilism will stack up against the the truly dark, soul-scarring shit he might uncover in the next episodes.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I really jumped in my seat at a scene in Cohle's search of the school. Its when the camera pans across a classroom doorway with a visible silhouette of a person standing in it. Cohle's flashlight reveals it to be a statue of Jesus. Holy shit that was a creepy sequence.
Kadayi
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This isn't some Agatha Christie small town murder mystery, this is a state wide case. With a population of 4.6 million and slightly more than 18K lawyers in Louisana I think I'd credit the writer to be a bit more creative than pulling a Scooby Doo like that. So far the implication is that the Tuttles might be involved in terms of the financial programs they are running, but I'd surprised if they are anything more than a part of it, and The King is Yellow is less lightly to be a singular person and more a likely a head priest figure that changes over time. The very idea that children are being deliberately groomed and have been for some time does imply a fairly venerable operation.
http://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/original-research-updated/lawyers-per-capita-by-state/
As regards Marty's daughter I think there's something rather off about this idea that her sexual interest must somehow be a resultant of sexual abuse. Her behaviour is more likely down to Marty not necessarily putting the time and effort into instilling personal values and self worth into his daughter Vs worrying about himself and getting his beer on. The very fact that the tiara stays in the tree all those years and is never dislodged is kind of indicative that Marty probably softballed his daughters over getting it down, just as he did when he had to tackle the sexual sketches.
http://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/original-research-updated/lawyers-per-capita-by-state/
As regards Marty's daughter I think there's something rather off about this idea that her sexual interest must somehow be a resultant of sexual abuse. Her behaviour is more likely down to Marty not necessarily putting the time and effort into instilling personal values and self worth into his daughter Vs worrying about himself and getting his beer on. The very fact that the tiara stays in the tree all those years and is never dislodged is kind of indicative that Marty probably softballed his daughters over getting it down, just as he did when he had to tackle the sexual sketches.
Romars202129
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Holy shit, since when could McConaughey act? Just watched ep 1, and only watched for Harrelson... but I got to admit, Mr Failure to Launch is actually putting forth a more than decent performance.
I'm stunned, and hooked! Gonna watch more...
Also, couldn't help but notice TV's greatest detective playing a reverend in ep 1.
I'm stunned, and hooked! Gonna watch more...
Also, couldn't help but notice TV's greatest detective playing a reverend in ep 1.
You're in for a ride.
Since forever. I think he just chose not to have to for a long time. He certainly has improved since his early stuff, but his work in things like Contact was solid.
You haven't seen nothing yet
MM has always been great actor, go watch his early movies, the talent has always been there. His decision to bank with the romcoms costed the label of good actor from him, but now he has been of fire since Lincoln Lawyer.
Chuckie
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It's more the dolls that concern me. It seemed like either a gang-bang or worse a gang-rape. That seems rather disturbing for such a rather young child and in my eyes better explained by something else then Marty not putting enough time in the relationship with his daughter. Not saying it's necessarily abuse, but it could be she witnessed something.
Cpt.Underpants
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The Lincoln Lawyer, Dallas Buyers Club and I have yet to see Mud probably Magic Mike buts his role was a bit minimal
Killer Joe also.
Just a quick thought: the victims are left in exposed places, as if the killer want's them to be found. Yet from the most recent victim, the one they showed R&M pictures of, hanging from a bridge, we know that the crime was (unconventionaly) completely kept from the public, presumably by "friends in high places" (Rust).
So it is implied that the police kept the reemergence of the "Dora Lang Killer" a secret with help and/or even under pressure from someone else who does not want the killing to become publi - at the same time protecting the killer, but also crossing his plans of exposing his work to the world.
Reminds me of a parent-kid constellation (or a compareable constellation). Whoever is the "Friend(s)", in the present, seems to be protecting the killer, but not necessarily supporting him/his actions...
So it is implied that the police kept the reemergence of the "Dora Lang Killer" a secret with help and/or even under pressure from someone else who does not want the killing to become publi - at the same time protecting the killer, but also crossing his plans of exposing his work to the world.
Reminds me of a parent-kid constellation (or a compareable constellation). Whoever is the "Friend(s)", in the present, seems to be protecting the killer, but not necessarily supporting him/his actions...
Romars202129
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That's good to know. Honestly, the only hype I've been hearing[I may or may not have been living under a rock] was about how cool the first ep was.
ЯAW;101269244 said:
I didn't like him in Lincoln Lawyer[that the one with sam jackson?], didn't like him in Contact, Sahara... but he's good in this for sure.
I feel like, this is the first time I've seen him not trying to be adorable.
The one with Sam Jackson was A Time To Kill, 1996. Lincoln Lawyer is from 2011.
Romars202129
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Thank you, I've had those two mixed up for awhile.
Kadayi
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That's because you're looking at it through adult eyes. As someone else mentioned earlier on that scene takes place after Cohle talked about his daughter getting run over to Maggie, and the girls happened to be there at the time. The girls were essentially play acting the scene (something kids often do when told a story). Children are not small adults, they're children. They don't think or rationalise or inhabit the same mind space as adults, so projecting adult thinking onto them is a mistake. Given their ages I'd be surprised if 'rape' is a concept either of them are familiar with, least of all able to process.
cheddascrambla
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Anybody else notice that the jail guards, where Guy Francis commits Suicide, one is named Childress? In first episode we heard about the Fontenot family and the old Sheriff Childress who may have covered it up
Pay attention lol
HalfBakedProphet
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1993
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
robertsan21
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BOOM! shit just got real!
Chuckie
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So you think the doll scene is play acting the car-accident of Cohle's daughter? I didn't get that, but I tend to miss things sometimes in this show.
It may or may not be, but they did say something about a car accident as Marty opened the door.
Chuckie
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I need subtitles with this show
I had to rewatch it in quiet room while I wasn't eating to catch most of the small stuff
Kadayi
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Yes they talk about the car accident when Marty opens the door. Also this is small town circa 1995. We're talking about kids whose entire world view is informed by Books, TV, their parents, their teachers & their friends coupled with their imaginations. No youtube, mobile phones, broadband or websites for these girls. Is it reasonable for the older to have some inclinations of sexual behaviour? Sure probably as hand me down Chinese whispers from her peers via their older sisters, but very little in the way of facts.
It's the character played by Jay O. Sanders:
Edit: Too slow. But he is in the first episode.
cheddascrambla
Banned
I believe there are 5.
Between Rusts cans, picture of KKK, and Dolls, it should be 5.
Um, always? His problem was never talent (look all the way back to A Time To Kill or Dazed And Confused for proof), but clearly he had a shitty agent for a decade or so (or was just in it for the money) when he did rom-coms. And even then he was always the best thing about those movies.
There's only one reason why someone who has been successfully living off the grid for almost a decade would do something so randomly banal as register his car, and that's because he wanted to be found by someone who he thinks is looking for him and who has access to state databases.
robertsan21
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Reverend Tuttle, we meet him at the PD in Episode 2 (?), exiting the Captain's office.
Thing that keeps be going back to Tuttle is that he is a sort of well known actor," well known for just appearing twice" Something is fishy about him.
theytookourjobz
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I'm sure this is old here but in case anyone hasn't seen it.
http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497
http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497
Dmncnby2k9
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yea thought the same. man was off the grid doing work. new case brought him out and maybe he's close to finding out who is involved. Im sure the two interrogating detectives are being used by whoever is doing all this shit. just loving the show so much. love the Cohle, Marty scenes
there's some evidence that ties him to to the investigation, but people were suspicious of him from early on. i'll admit that my first reaction after "meeting" him, was "that's our guy", but atm I'm a bit dubious, because of those initial reactions.
We were shown detectives investigating a ritualistic killing, then we're introduced to a religious leader who's friends with the authorities. that's some good bait right there and I wouldn't be surprised if we got played by the writer.
If anything these modern day detectives will team up with Rust and Marty to solve the case.
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