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[Always-honest]

In short, you have been missing the best show television has to offer currently.

Does it have to rank? Or be compared to those shows? This show exists because the shows you mentioned began, and matured the concept of the episodic serial - long arcs that focused on character development every step of the way. The long view. True Detectives is another step in that same direction. Best such drama on television right now? Probably. But it's foundation is the other shows you mention. You may not like it as much as those other shows, but frankly I think it's better - because I'm biased in believing that new concepts, well executed, build on past successes, not just mirror them. And this show has taken lessons from the wire, the shield, sopranos, (and currently every showrunner is looking at breaking bad as the standard to meet or beat - I guarantee it) and built their new, complex narrative around the framework forged on the basis of those prior designs.

Thanx. Now i can't wait.

 

[TheOddOne]

And gifs:

 

[xbhaskarx]

What did Rust do with Ginger, just let him go?

This is what I'd like to know... it seemed like Rust wouldn't have enough time to drop him off somewhere (considering he was driving like a maniac to catch up with Marty), and afterwards the area was swarming with cops, if Ginger was still in the truck or the general area, someone would probably notice him.

 

[XAL]

And gifs:

 

[Heisenberg]

I watched about 20 minutes of this show and turned it off because I thought it was boring and frankly rubbish. Maybe I didn't give it a fair shot? People seem to really like it.

"I read the first 3 pages of a book and found it boring and frankly rubbish."


Yeah, I'd say you didn't give it a fair shot but I also don't think the show is for everyone. Can't imagine thinking it's boring though.

 

[chicko1983]

I have given up trying to work out who did it and are just trying to enjoy everything as a surprise. But it's so hard not to speculate.

My feeling is rust left the force to continue the investigation as he knew that he couldn't continue it officially as they had pinned it on ladoux. Marty knew rust was still continuing it and so they had an "altercation" to make it seem like they had a split so that rust could keep working undercover and off the grid. They are still in contact with each other.

The new cops don't know what they are doing but think that rust is the killer because they have been given the tip off from someone who is in on the cult (I think the original sheriff from the county where the girl went missing by the green haired spaghetti monster, the one with antlers in the office).

Tuttle is definitely involved, the lawn mower man worked at his school and then rust found all the effigy there.

I reckon that rusts daughter has been molested or abused as a child and possibly went to a Tuttle school, potentially being groomed for the cult. Hence why she was drawing those pictures as a kid, someone probably showed her something porn related.

What's in rusts storage, evidence from various murder scenes that he has been collecting in his investigation.

 

[Dead Man]

Alright, I need to go back and watch the earlier eps again, I can't keep the minor characters straight now.

But damn, what an episode, awesome stuff.

This show.
This fucking show. I wish I had the self control to watch te last three episodes upcoming episodes in a marathon. But I know I'll end up watching as they air :/

Yep.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

This is what I'd like to know... it seemed like Rust wouldn't have enough time to drop him off somewhere (considering he was driving like a maniac to catch up with Marty), and afterwards the area was swarming with cops, if Ginger was still in the truck or the general area, someone would probably notice him.

He said he dropped him in a ditch. He had to hang back a little bit if the 'partner' had thought for a second that Rust was following him he wouldn't have went back to the hideout.
IMHO I hope "wrapped up in a ditch" meant that he killed him. Ginger is loose end who
needed to die, but I doubt that's how it went down.

 

[Dead Man]

So, might be a stupid question, but Cohle said he knows his visions aren't real, right? What if he is wrong about that which makes the flashbacks another unreliable narrator? I doubt it, but it would be interesting to get more info on his particular madness.

 

[movie_club]

Accused Craigslist killer says she’s murdered more than 20 people since she joined satanic cult six years ago


http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-since-she-joined-satanic-cult-six-years-ago/

 

[Kadayi]

They're definitely looking to suit Cohle by the way things are going. Of course what they know and what we know are entirely different things.

I'm gonna go out on limb and say that Cohle and Marty never actually split up in terms of the investigation more that Cohle realised that the murders were getting covered up (that bit where he's looking at all those error files on the computer) and that trying to find the real killer(s) through procedural channels was impossible, thus he left the force and effectively has been operating as undercover himself all this time. Perhaps with Marty feeding him whatever evidence he can procure as and when. Given the interview format is over with for Cohle (though Marty is still in play) I suspect from here on in we are largely going to be seeing what Cohle's been up to since 2002 and those missing 5 years.

Also I'm with most that we haven't seen the killer. My inclination is that we're dealing with a cult, so more than a few individuals are likely involved and albeit the Tuttles might/may be involved that feels a bit too Scooby doo for my tastes, and I just don't think given the effort put into the writing so far Pizzolatto is going to suddenly heel turn and do the obvious thing, versus have Cohle really go deep down into the investigation of covered up victims and discover the truth to things.

Also as an aside it's kind of clear given how the angle has changed that the possibility of a revival of the characters as they were back in 1995 down the road is definitely not on the cards and that the eight episodes is it, and tbh I'm A OK with that. Bring on the next series with a new setting, new leads and a new story line.

 

[aravuus]

Goddamn, the show just keeps getting exponentially better and better with each episode

 

[reptilescorpio]

I like how generally clueless and naive the current day detectives are, almost as if they are just wasting time.

The whole opening credits stuff is stuck in my head now. A lot of cool stuff in there, not sure who the guy here walking in the desert is meant to be, the redux seems to be Cohle.

 

[talisayNon]

They're definitely looking to suit Cohle by the way things are going. Of course what they know and what we know are entirely different things.

I'm gonna go out on limb and say that Cohle and Marty never actually split up in terms of the investigation more that Cohle realised that the murders were getting covered up (that bit where he's looking at all those error files on the computer) and that trying to find the real killer(s) through procedural channels was impossible, thus he left the force and effectively has been operating as undercover himself all this time. Perhaps with Marty feeding him whatever evidence he can procure as and when. Given the interview format is over with for Cohle (though Marty is still in play) I suspect from here on in we are largely going to be seeing what Cohle's been up to since 2002 and those missing 5 years.

Also I'm with most that we haven't seen the killer. My inclination is that we're dealing with a cult, so more than a few individuals are likely involved and albeit the Tuttles might/may be involved that feels a bit too Scooby doo for my tastes, and I just don't think given the effort put into the writing so far Pizzolatto is going to suddenly heel turn and do the obvious thing, versus have Cohle really go deep down into the investigation of covered up victims and discover the truth to things.

Also as an aside it's kind of clear given how the angle has changed that the possibility of a revival of the characters as they were back in 1995 down the road is definitely not on the cards and that the eight episodes is it, and tbh I'm A OK with that. Bring on the next series with a new setting, new leads and a new story line.

my theory as well.

 

[KidA Seven]

I rewatched all 5 episodes. I definitely do not think Rust is the Yellow King. There's a cult at play. Tuttle has been linked to almost every evidence found. The preacher they were investigating was influenced by Tuttle. That is where Ledoux and Dora? were spotted. The church, "Light of Way" or "Light The Way," was part of Tuttle's foundation. That is also where the guy mowing the lawn, who wasn't thoroughly questioned, was found. The guy in prison, who introduced Dora to Ledoux, said that Ledoux told him about the Yellow King, Carcosa, and that very rich men go to devil worship and sacrifice people (both women and children).

Furthermore, Rev. Tuttle is the cousin of the Governer, Edwin Tuttle. In episode 1, they wanted the case to be handed over to a task force and the reason they gave was for a religious purpose. They implied the Governor has the power to stop Rust and Marty from working on the case. That is why there was hostility towards Rust who was talking back to Tuttle and the other detectives who were part of the task force.

Rust's history is unknown to Marty and the rest of his colleagues. It is also unknown to the other two detectives investigating him. Rust and Marty both lied about what happened at the Ledoux shooting, but the real story was shown. I don't think the writer would pull off a cheap narration trick after they already established the difference between the narration from Rust and Marty within the show's overall narration.

I'm going to agree with practically everyone in this thread. Rust has been secretly investigating the case since 2002.

 

[TheOddOne]

Here are some avatars if anybody wants them:

 

[talisayNon]

funniest part of McConaughey is that i always thought he was amazing in Ghosts of Girlfriends Past, and that he should have gotten a bigger role.

Getting his due now.

 

[raindoc]

This show.
This fucking show. I wish I had the self control to watch te last three episodes upcoming episodes in a marathon. But I know I'll end up watching as they air :/

Yep.

I am actually glad that I'm not Obama and can enjoy the suspense for a couple more weeks - I'm usually rather impatient with stuff like this, as in "fuck sleep, I'll finish this book", but in this case it's like I'm under influence of the show's pacing and enjoy taking. things. real. slow.
Of course, knowing that we'll get an uninterrupted stream of weekly releases until fin helps a lot. If this was a Telltale game I'd go nuts.

 

[XAL]

Rewatching that scene where they find the kids and realized that Ledoux is muttering stuff under the dialogue, this is all I was able to tell..

Ledoux> It's time, isn't it? The black stars...
Rust> - - shut the fuck up
L> The black stars rise...
R> *turns slowly to ledouf*...Why the antlers?
L> *smiles knowingly and looks up*

L> I know what happens next. I saw you in my dream. You're in Carcosa now...with me. HE sees you.
R> MARTY!

L> You'll do this again, time 'is a flat circle..
R> What is that - Nietzsche? Shut the fuck up -- put it down!
L> *in a low rambling voice* (something) sneaks (seeks?)...into the garden...TWINS...the black stars

Spoiler

**Marty executes Ledoux**

I don't know if you guys hear the same thing as me.

**thanks for the avatar

 

[Vico]

I watched the first two episodes this week-end and I'm loving what I see.
It's usually hard for me to like stories that "slow", but there is something just incredible here.

The atmosphere, acting and cinematography are top notch. It feels great getting deeper and deeper into the characters' pasts and personalities.

 

[Dennis]

Food for thought:

https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/435281253789487104/photo/1

and

http://imgur.com/fbP9J14

lmao

The madness of the Second Act is starting to work.

See y'all in Carcosa.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

My vision is not what it used to be. What am I looking for in that photo of Rust lighting a cig?

 

[Fuzzery]

Season 5 of breaking bad shoulda been cohle vs walt

 

[aravuus]

My vision is not what it used to be. What am I looking for in that photo of Rust lighting a cig?

Tiny yellow crown on top of his head, I guess

Some of the stuff is so incredibly subtle it's just unbelievable. The directing is awe-inspiring.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

So marty is going to meet rust in the present and ask wtf is going on. Rust is going to show Marty his storage unit with all his evidence he has been collecting since 2002.

Alright alright

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

I'm gonna go out on limb and say that Cohle and Marty never actually split up in terms of the investigation more that Cohle realised that the murders were getting covered up (that bit where he's looking at all those error files on the computer) and that trying to find the real killer(s) through procedural channels was impossible, thus he left the force and effectively has been operating as undercover himself all this time. Perhaps with Marty feeding him whatever evidence he can procure as and when. Given the interview format is over with for Cohle (though Marty is still in play) I suspect from here on in we are largely going to be seeing what Cohle's been up to since 2002 and those missing 5 years.

I don't know if this is true, but I want it to be.

 

[Dennis]

I want to see inside Cohle's storage unit but I am afraid.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

Just finished Ep 5 and people are way too excited for this show. It's pretty good, but still pretty hammy.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Just finished Ep 5 and people are way too excited for this show. It's pretty good, but still pretty hammy.

 

[KidA Seven]

Just finished Ep 5 and people are way too excited for this show. It's pretty good, but still pretty hammy.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Just finished Ep 5 and people are way too excited for this show. It's pretty good, but still pretty hammy.

you never expanded on your opinions from before, friend. Don't just drop one liners and walk away, explain, elaborate.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

I think the performances are a bit cheesy, Harrelson is over the top, McConnaughy wavers between brilliant and theatre, stylistically it's a bit common, the story seems like its unravelling well but it's not exactly setting my world alight. Music is top notch though. I'm enjoying it, but don't get the big fuss.
It's very... Actor-y if that makes sense.

 

[cackhyena]

I think the performances are a bit cheesy, Harrelson is over the top, McConnaughy wavers between brilliant and theatre, stylistically it's a bit common, the story seems like its unravelling well but it's not exactly setting my world alight. Music is top notch though. I'm enjoying it, but don't get the big fuss.
It's very... Actor-y if that makes sense.

Besides the Harrelson bit, I'd agree with all that. Still love every minute and would stop short of calling it hammy.

 

[Kadayi]

I don't know if this is true, but I want it to be.

Well firstly I recall the two 2012 detectives looking skeptical at Marty when he says he hadn't spoken to Rust in 12 years, and secondly it's always been about the two characters, and there's a substantial level of trust between them especially given what they have been through.

I want to see inside Cohle's storage unit but I am afraid.

You know where going there at some point for sure, and you know it's going to be the gateway to Carcosa.

you never expanded on your opinions from before, friend. Don't just drop one liners and walk away, explain, elaborate.

Drive by trolling from what I can see.

 

[Jaronin]

Is Marty's younger grown up daughter on The Walking Dead too, or am i just starting to see things like trippy Cohle?

 

[KHarvey16]

Is Marty's younger grown up daughter on The Walking Dead too, or am i just starting to see things like trippy Cohle?

She definitely is.

 

[Pollux]

Calling it now...martys oldest daughter will be a victim in 2012

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Well firstly I recall the two 2012 detectives looking skeptical at Marty when he says he hadn't spoken to Rust in 12 years, and secondly it's always been about the two characters, and there's a substantial level of trust between them especially given what they have been through.

for sure.

"Well if you two talked to Rust, you werent getiing a read on him, he was getting a read on you"

Regardless of what did or didn't happen, Marty still has respect for Rust's skills. I wanted Rust to get redemption in the end, to show he still had it. Turns out, he never lost it to begin with.

 

[Protag]

Just finished Ep 5 and people are way too excited for this show. It's pretty good, but still pretty hammy.

Hammy? Lmao this guy

 

[Mr Cola]

Anyone else think the two cops are in on this? Something Rust said about Cole "Working them out", probably the only reason Cole agreed to it is to get information over giving it. Im with those who think he has been working on this outside of the force, most likely because of how high the chain goes.

I have a sneaky suspicion that the cult will win in the end, the show keeps trying to keep expectations low and deal with real issues, I cant honestly forsee a happy ending where the guilty meet justice, more than likely they will be found out but continue.

 

[fierrotlepou]

There won't be a happy ending. It has this weird Cormac McCarty-ish feeling to it. Things will get more and more fucked up closer to the end. And then when it hits, oh man, it's going to be pure insanity.

Or that's what I hope at least. (And what I've read on various websites until now)

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I could see it being Pyrrhic Victor for the Detectives.

 

[DKehoe]

Is there a reason why the 2012 stuff is taking place then and not in present day?

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Is there a reason why the 2012 stuff is taking place then and not in present day?

I hope so

Might just be a reflection of when it was written originally.

yeah, this is very possible

 

[KHarvey16]

Might just be a reflection of when it was written originally.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

It was really out of character for Rust to beat the shit out of that guy talking about the yellow king. He's usually doesn't lose his cool. I'm wondering if he didn't want him to talk because he wouldn't be able to control the info getting back to whoever is in involved in the cover-up.

 

[Gr1mLock]

That goddamn ending. Sigh. Now to wait a week.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

It was really out of character for Rust to beat the shit out of that guy talking about the yellow king. He's usually doesn't lose his cool. I'm wondering if he didn't want him to talk because he wouldn't be able to control the info getting back to whoever is in involved in the cover-up.

You could see LeDoux's comments were kinda unsettling him before Marty shot him.

I think what happened was the guy confirmed Rust's worst fears. Not that he got the wrong guy, but that he didn't actually solve the case.

 

[F0rneus]

The question is for me...

Spoiler

Is it really a cult killing the women? Charlie Lange said that rich people had a place for devil worship, and that they sacrificied women and children...Now Ledoux obviously knew/was an accomplice. But Guy Leonard, the pharmacy killer didn't say that "they" were still out there killing women. He said plainly that "he" was still out there killing. And that powerful people knew about "him".

I'm really thinking that there is a cult of powerful people. But that the "Yellow King", is a serial killer on his own. He's a part of the cult, and they cover for him. But I now believe that it's one person who killed all of the missing girls.

 

[DKehoe]

Might just be a reflection of when it was written originally.

Maybe but it's a small detail that could be updated without causing any changes. I wonder if there is going to be another time period along with 1995,2002 and 2012 where events are happening in 2014.

It was really out of character for Rust to beat the shit out of that guy talking about the yellow king. He's usually doesn't lose his cool. I'm wondering if he didn't want him to talk because he wouldn't be able to control the info getting back to whoever is in involved in the cover-up.

That case was Rust's biggest achievement in his career. Out of nowhere doubt is cast on him having got the right guy, perhaps made even worse by the fact that it happened in a situation in which he was in total control of. That could have caused him to panic. Or it could be that it confirmed doubts he has had about the case that have played on his mind for years.