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Content Roundup - Episode 5 - The Secret Fate Of All Life

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neoism said:
who's a bad motherfucker..
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aFIGurANT said:
It seems like the question now becomes how does Rust solve the murders and clear his name, in three hours. Three episodes wouldn't seem enough to clear everything up really tightly but maybe I'm wrong. An ambiguous ending would totally suck either way though.
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This last episode just covered like, 7 years, so no problem.
 
aFIGurANT said:
It seems like the question now becomes how does Rust solve the murders and clear his name, in three hours. Three episodes wouldn't seem enough to clear everything up really tightly but maybe I'm wrong. An ambiguous ending would totally suck either way though.
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They'll probably end up in his storage somehow and realize he is doing the case on his own. They don't seem to have much on him, even the writers said so in that episode 5 behind the scenes.
 
I am impressed with McConaughey's shooting technique there in the gif. Both eyes open!

I think this was my favorite episode yet. I wonder if they are attempting to get the audience to build of faith in what we're seeing as opposed to hearing, and how that plays out or is used in the future. The inside the episode videos this time around are both fantastic, and lend some great insight into what we've seen. Love it.

And that preview! Damn.
 
Justin said:
I hope that when Rust disappeared he went undercover in the cult and we get some crazy cult flash backs.
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I don't think there's any way in hell that he'd be able to blend in. Even if the cult doesn't have the connections we think they have, I'm sure they've been discussing the cops investigating them.
 
That speech rust gave about us experiencing everything over and over again is eerily similar to what my exoerienced when we did DMT. He says a weird blue god looking thing told him"this isn't the first time you've done this. You've done this millions of times before, and you'll do it again"
I'm gonna have to show him this show
 
Mr.Swag said:
That speech rust gave about us experiencing everything over and over again is eerily similar to what my exoerienced when we did DMT. He says a weird blue god looking thing told him"this isn't the first time you've done this. You've done this millions of times before, and you'll do it again"
I'm gonna have to show him this show
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Ah, yes, the infamous DMT [color] man that is often short.
 
potam said:
I don't think there's any way in hell that he'd be able to blend in. Even if the cult doesn't have the connections we think they have, I'm sure they've been discussing the cops investigating them.
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Yeah, I thought of that right after I posted. They guy he was interrogating at the end of the episode knew who he was so it's safe to assume that all the cult members do too.
 
Very interesting episode, lots of stuff to think about.

Cornballer said:
These are worth watching. Pizzolatto points out that
Cohle gets the beer because he's an alcoholic but also because it renders his testimony inadmissible. He's saying a lot in these interview scenes without giving them anything.
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Hadn't thought of that, smart.
 
Love this quote from the Daily Beast review. I think we got the first part in an earlier article but not the rest

Needless to say, Papania and Gilbough are utterly baffled by Cohle's lecture, and I would have been, too—if Pizzolatto hadn't already told me what he was up to.

"You could see Cohle as Job crying out to an unhearing God," he explained. "Or you could see him as something else."

"Like what?" I asked.

"Cohle describes the possibility of other dimensions existing, and he says that’s what eternity is," Pizzolatto continued. "He says that if somehow you existed outside of time, you’d be able to see the whole of our dimension as one superstructure with matter superimposed at ever position it had ever occupied. He says that the nature of the universe is your consciousness, and it just keeps cycling along the same point in that superstructure: when you die, you’re reborn into yourself again, and you just keep living the same life over and over. He also explains that from a higher mathematical vantage point, our dimension would seem less dimensional. It would look flattened, almost."

Pizzolatto took a bite of his branzino. "Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."
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God damn, can't believe I didn't pick up on Rust drinking so his interview was inadmissable, well played Pizolatto. I didn't even pick up on Marty acting surprised to hear Rust had been drinking, kudos to you guys who pointed it out. Really enjoyed Marty's line, "you guys weren't getting a read on Cohle, he was getting a read on you".

I'm unsure on the theory about Marty's daughter being abused or taken in by the cult. It would explain the spiral at the house, and her recent behaviour though.

I wonder how Ledoux fits in with the cult though, maybe he was their main source of income?
 
lamaroo said:
I wonder how Ledoux fits in with the cult though, maybe he was their main source of income?
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Charlie Lange mentioned that Ledoux can mix up a bunch of other stuff, not just meth. He might provide other drugs for the cultists, or maybe they just use him as a reliable source of drugs for the victims.

Or, maybe he's been a member of the cult for a while and just so happens to be this meth cook.
 
potam said:
Charlie Lange mentioned that Ledoux can mix up a bunch of other stuff, not just meth. He might provide other drugs for the cultists, or maybe they just use him as a reliable source of drugs for the victims.

Or, maybe he's been a member of the cult for a while and just so happens to be this meth cook.
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I would guess he's more of an employee than a member of the cult. It feels to me like members of this cult don't find themselves in prison.
 
FreddieQuell said:
I would guess he's more of an employee than a member of the cult. It feels to me like members of this cult don't find themselves in prison.
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He has the (possible) spiral branding, the weird wooden things, and he speaks all cryptically. You might be right, it may be that only the higher ups can or will flex their political muscle to save themselves if need be, and wouldn't bother with guys lower on the totem pole.
 
I thought it was the weakest episode of the season. Not bad, but there are a couple of things that I found contrived. First, it would have been nice to see what read that fat big bastard got on Rust in the opening scene, instead he spits some occult bull and punctuates it with, "I don't like your face". Where did he slip? He obviously realized he missed the mark right there.

Anyway, when the current detectives turn on their interrogative... umm, charms, again the artifice is showing. I had flashbacks to Law and Order with the way they were finishing each others sentences and flashing all that passion to bolster their case with Marty. Rust's interrogation with the double murder guy comes off much better.

I'm looking forward to next week. I bet we get to the "altercation" between Marty and Rust and I bet it comes back to cutting that lawn. Maybe she reached out for help with her daughter, maybe Rust finally says one thing too many about his wife and it's on. I can't formulate an alternate theory from the obvious one the show is driving(Rust has been looking for the yellow king in that interval of time from the interrogation to the present and he's looking at the police force/mayor), nothing else really makes sense.
 
TTG said:
I thought it was the weakest episode of the season. Not bad, but there are a couple of things that I found contrived. First, it would have been nice to see what read that fat big bastard got on Rust in the opening scene, instead he spits some occult bull and punctuates it with, "I don't like your face". Where did he slip? He obviously realized he missed the mark right there.
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My guess is Ledoux and his partner are closer to Miles (who I am guessing is the leader of the biker gang) and don't want to deal with Rust after his disappearance/falling out with Miles. Plus Ginger's appearance/quiet demeanor probably spooked him a bit.
 
TTG said:
I thought it was the weakest episode of the season. Not bad, but there are a couple of things that I found contrived. First, it would have been nice to see what read that fat big bastard got on Rust in the opening scene, instead he spits some occult bull and punctuates it with, "I don't like your face". Where did he slip? He obviously realized he missed the mark right there.

Anyway, when the current detectives turn on their interrogative... umm, charms, again the artifice is showing. I had flashbacks to Law and Order with the way they were finishing each others sentences and flashing all that passion to bolster their case with Marty. Rust's interrogation with the double murder guy comes off much better.

I'm looking forward to next week. I bet we get to the "altercation" between Marty and Rust and I bet it comes back to cutting that lawn. Maybe she reached out for help with her daughter, maybe Rust finally says one thing too many about his wife and it's on. I can't formulate an alternate theory from the obvious one the show is driving(Rust has been looking for the yellow king in that interval of time from the interrogation to the present and he's looking at the police force/mayor), nothing else really makes sense.
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Weakest of the season? Really man, damn.
 
Dan said:
What did Rust do with Ginger, just let him go?
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He told Marty that he was face down in a ditch. I don't think Rust would have just killed him and left him there, but then again everything else he had done on that trip was ultra illegal, so who knows. I never thought about it during the episode, but people had already started appearing at the scene by the time they walk out of there with the kids, so it's not like they could have done anything with him before people were swarming the place.
 
This show likes itself a little too much sometimes and can be hard not to eye roll during those scenes.

Overall, another good episode and I'm still interested in seeing where this is headed.
 
TTG said:
Anyway, when the current detectives turn on their interrogative... umm, charms, again the artifice is showing. I had flashbacks to Law and Order with the way they were finishing each others sentences and flashing all that passion to bolster their case with Marty. Rust's interrogation with the double murder guy comes off much better.
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I agree with this. I thought it was the second best ep of the season tho.
 
potam said:
My guess is Ledoux and his partner are closer to Miles (who I am guessing is the leader of the biker gang) and don't want to deal with Rust after his disappearance/falling out with Miles. Plus Ginger's appearance/quiet demeanor probably spooked him a bit.
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Rust's reaction(did he actually snivel at the end there?) made it seem like Ledoux actually picked something out, he(Rust) looked nonplussed for a minute. You're right, Ginger walks in there with a busted face and Ledoux picks up on it, the sense I got though was that he got a read on Rust too.


~Kinggi~ said:
Weakest of the season? Really man, damn.
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Hey, the rest have been fucking fantastic. I just went to a random clip from The Wire to see if I was overreacting to the way the present day detectives were pushing Marty, it still seems over the top. And if it looks contrived to the audience, how is it going to seem to an incredulous veteran cop? Maybe it's set up to look like a blunder on their part and that's why it's punctuated with a disingenuous, "well, you've given me a lot to absorb" from Marty.
 
neoism said:
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Such a good moment.

Rust ain't the killer. He isn't the Yellow King. Something bigger is going on here with the Governor's office and the task force. These two new investigator's have been fed false information and they're the ones, in this moment and time that are doing exactly what they're accusing Rust of.

Rust never stopped working the case. This suicide and the phone call at the jail cell, the creepy designs at the school, all keep him hot on the trail. We all know that having a conscious will weigh on both men. For them to be involved in what they did has to haunt them in one way or anther. They're both living a lie, something of their own doing. A series of incidents led them to that meth location. The events of last week at the drug house were off the books. That intel can be considered questionable. At this meth location, with no backup, thing got fucked up. Loose cannon Marty showed up at the worst time possible, with his "protector of women" ideals. Rust, being the smart guy he is, did a bad, but good thing for his partner and altered the scene to cover both their asses. (Nice explosion by the way.) What was done there was an act of preservation. Not only for their lives, but their careers. But when you make a deal with the devil it will come back to haunt you. Even without any previews, you know that what has transpired to this point in the story will cause a rift and mental anguish, apparently more so on Rust's end then Marty's.
 
This show is a masterpiece
One of my favorites of all time

I think Cohle's been investigating on his own
Whatever happened btw him and Marty probably caused him to leave the force
I hope we go deep into this sick cult
 
The Yellow King talks about how it sends it's subjects into madness. Rust is another one of his subjects, he becomes obsessed and singularly focused on the case. That's what he has been up to for the past ten years.... descending into madness because of his obsession with solving it. His storage closet most likely holds evidence that he had obtained throughout the years.

0 chance Cole is the suspect. Zero.
 
TTG said:
Rust's reaction(did he actually snivel at the end there?) made it seem like Ledoux actually picked something out, he(Rust) looked nonplussed for a minute. You're right, Ginger walks in there with a busted face and Ledoux picks up on it, the sense I got though was that he got a read on Rust too.
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Yeah, honestly I think there were a lot of things that the guy could perceive as being 'off'. Ginger being the main one - dude was silent and antisocial, which probably isn't his typical demeanour, and the injured face didn't help. Then Rust not wanting to go through Miles is also a red flag.
Vire said:
0 chance Cole is the suspect. Zero.
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Yeah. If he actually was it would probably ruin the show for me. That would be really lazy writing and not reminiscent of what we've seen so far.
 
If Cohle did end up being the murderer, I would have to believe they would provide a good explanation for it because so far they've been on the ball in episode after episode. I'd find it hard to believe the writing would suddenly drop the ball on one of the most important plot elements.

So I'm sure whoever is the killer (and I'm pretty sure it's not Cohle either, but I don't rule anyone out) will be justified by what we've seen
 
joesmokey said:
This show likes itself a little too much sometimes and can be hard not to eye roll during those scenes.

Overall, another good episode and I'm still interested in seeing where this is headed.
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If you're talking about Rust's fatalism and all that abstract stuff about forever being trapped in plates and spheres, that did come off as intentional on his part. Not that Rust doesn't believe any of it, but he knows how his musings sound, he just keeps leading them on to see the file. Doing it in a way that doesn't disclose his own "investigation". Now, that doesn't dismiss the aforementioned eye rolling, but at least they're self aware about it? I don't know.


Helmholtz said:
Yeah. If he actually was it would probably ruin the show for me. That would be really lazy writing and not reminiscent of what we've seen so far.
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Someone could go back and pick out about a dozen reasons for why looking at Rust as the killer/somehow otherwise involved doesn't make sense. Why does he grab Marty to drive back to see the convenience store murder guy and then trace the phone call? That seems to be a hard point in the timeline where we know that Rust isn't keeping anything back about the case before then.
 
Rust's circular theory. Is he also describing his own issues of working a case and it being a never ending process? The Uroboros that eats its own tail, as in he keeps working the case and apparently there's no end in sight.
 
ReturnOfTheRAT said:
Rust's circular theory. Is he also describing his own issues of working a case and it being a never ending process? The Uroboros that eats its own tail, as in he keeps working the case and apparently there's no end in sight.
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I'm pretty certain that's exactly what he's referring to. That he was disturbed when he started on the case originally because of his time undercover, and then when they "solved" it they both became sort of superstars and settled into a more normal routine (Cohle even entering a short relationship), until something happens (Cohle finding out they really didn't kill the real killer, bringing back both the guilt of being involved in that cover up and not protecting other potential victims) which once again sends him on a downward spiral where he will keep self-destruction as he tries to solve the case.
 
Also fucking loved the cuts back and forth of Rust and Mart finishing each other's sentences when describing the false accounts of what went down at Ledoux's place. Unreliable narrator is one of my favorite storytelling mechanisms.
 
ReturnOfTheRAT said:
Rust's circular theory. Is he also describing his own issues of working a case and it being a never ending process? The Uroboros that eats its own tail, as in he keeps working the case and apparently there's no end in sight.
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Something else that I've been toying with in my head:

Let's say Rust does go rogue and investigates the case on his own later on. In the Yellow King play that everyone keeps referencing, the main idea behind it is that everyone goes insane (audience included) once the second act begins. What if, the second act is Rust's investigation, and he actually does become an alcoholic recluse? What if the second act, so to speak, is the revelation of how truly horrible man can be? I won't go any further with it, since I think the show won't deal with any supernatural events, despite its surrealism.

But here's the official poster, which makes you think:
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edit: realized I never addressed what I quoted.... So with his circular theory (if we're following my shitty theory above), he might just be saying that the cycle of human violence and apathy towards one another is going to exist forever, and his police work has no real, tangible benefit to society, and never will.
 
so you guys noticed he blacks stars on the broken window surrounding Rust in that last shot? Just like Ledoux said he saw in his visions.

This show has a real thin horror vein in it that makes it great. At any second some cthulu shit could appear and I wouldn't be surprised.
 
I don't think a show has ever put me on edge like this one. Every episode keeps topping the previous one, which at this point seems impossible.
 
Amazing episode. The pacing, the music created a sense of timelessness, the episode seemed to last longer than an hour to me which is down right unreal considering this and other shows seem to fly by. When Cohle was talking about the circle of time and repeating the same things, being trapped, it was almost fourth wall breaking, as if the character himself was lamenting his place in the creative work of the show. Dreamlike and intense. Created a feeling inside myself of emptiness that was familiar and extremely novel.
 
It kind of bothers me that they are fully committed to this Rusty is the suspect angle. How many times have we seen this before? Only the audience knows the guy is innocent and is rooting for him in his fight against everyone else who doubts him. The Fugitive being the most well done example. I thought we were getting something different in this show.

Unless it turns out he's carrying out his own justice that would be a new take on the whole thing.
 
aFIGurANT said:
It seems like the question now becomes how does Rust solve the murders and clear his name, in three hours. Three episodes wouldn't seem enough to clear everything up really tightly but maybe I'm wrong. An ambiguous ending would totally suck either way though.
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yeah I'm really sad this is only 8 episodes... :/ wish it was 12 or 13.
 
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