Mr_Furious
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dog$, I can feel your pain but the truth is 2D is not going to go to you so you are going to have to go to it and unfortunately it resides mainly in portable form these days 
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Xtreme Ghouls n Ghosts for PSP only...why?
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Drinky Crow
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To the contrary: were it not for handhelds, 2D games wouldn't be coming out PERIOD.
Well, that's what I've done. No handheld purchases for me, and my wallet and I feel better for it. I don't kid myself into believing some handheld game is worth my time, and the companies don't get my money for making second rate products. Win Win.
Mushihimesama is the latest of all the wai-wai animu arcade games and other fluffy crap that says HI 2 U Drinky.
I don't even buy half of the console 2D games that do come out.
(This probably explains why I don't bother bitching about this phenomenon as much anymore)
oh come onDrinky Crow said:
Mushihimesama is the latest of all the wai-wai animu arcade games and other fluffy crap that says HI 2 U Drinky.
I don't even buy half of the console 2D games that do come out.
(This probably explains why I don't bother bitching about this phenomenon as much anymore)
Drinky Crow said:
Drinky nailed it. Even 2.5D games seem to be an endangered species on consoles nowadays, which is a damn shame - IMO, freeroaming 3D games just can't capture the tight, ultra-precise feel of a good 2D sidescroller. (About the only 3D game I've ever played that managed to recapture that oldschool essence was Maximo vs. Army of Zin, and we're not liable to see a sequel. Go figure.) Unfortunately, most console owners won't buy a 2D or 2.5D title when they could be spending the same money on a 'real' (read: fully 3D) game. Companies may occasionally throw us enthusiasts a bone with a new console game like Contra: Shattered Soldier, but those are getting fewer and further between. If you love 2D gameplay, handhelds are really the only remaining means of getting a regular fix.
Lardbutt said:
OK, let me get this straight. If enough people stop buying 2D games on the only remaining platforms where they still sell consistently, developers will suddenly decide to bring them back to consoles? You've got to be kidding me. If anything, that would be the death knell for 2D-style gaming, period--I suspect companies would pronounce the market for those kinds of games dead, the shift to handheld 3D would accelerate, and full 3D games (as opposed to 2D or 2.5D) would come to dominate those platforms as well.
So go ahead, boycott away... if you want to kill what you're trying to save.
Big difference being R&D effort. The GBA CVs wouldn't have been greenlighted for a console, costs would have risen dramatically... meanwhile Goku Makaimura is basically console level already in terms development. This could easily be a multiplatform game with PS2/GC/Xbox ports, where as the GBA CVs would need to be significantly reworked and expanded visually/aurally. I guess they could've done PSone ports of the GBA games though.dark10x said:
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Vennt
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Drinky Crow said:
Bingo, Bullseye, Nail on the Head etc etc etc.
Such short memories, can you not recall the "OMG where are the the 2D games gone/going" before the advent of semi-decent (GBA/DS) and awesome handheld gaming?
I can, there was certainly enough of it.
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Vennt
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You are going through some serious revisionism if you think 2D gaming was "healthy" around the time of the Dreamcast launch.
Between the time of Playstation and the Dreamcast 2D had never been in worse shape, and it was only getting worse by the time the PS2 was released. the GBA heralded quite a recovery.
Note that I'm not saying there were NO games, but that it was a shrinking, and disappearing genre.
Revisionism.... Pfft!
Between the time of Playstation and the Dreamcast 2D had never been in worse shape, and it was only getting worse by the time the PS2 was released. the GBA heralded quite a recovery.
Note that I'm not saying there were NO games, but that it was a shrinking, and disappearing genre.
Revisionism.... Pfft!
Um.... there's Smash Bros. DK Jungle Beat. The new Kirby. Animal Crossing. Four Swords. Wario Ware. Fire Emblem. Paper Mario.dog$ said:
Most of those have 3D graphics with 2D gameplay (if not 2D graphics), just like Xtreme Ghouls n Ghosts, Contra: Shattered Soldier, the new Mario, everything people in this thread are saying that's gone from console gaming. Nintend0wn3ed!
Well, let's just take a look here at all those 2D Capcom & SNK fighters and shooters that released on consoles and handhelds post GBA launch...dog$ said:
Super Street Fighter II Turbo Revival (GBA)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 Upper (GBA)
DarkStalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower (PSP)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 Double Upper (PSP)
The King of Fighters EX: NeoBlood (GBA)
The King of Fighters EX2: Howling Blood (GBA)
Metal Slug Advance (GBA)
Metal Slug 1: Super Vehicle (GBA)
Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000 Pro (DC)
Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001 (DC)
Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001 (PS2)
Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000 Pro (PS)
Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001 EO (GC)
Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes (PS2)
Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes (XB)
Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001 EO (XB)
Hyper Street Fighter II: The Anniversary Edition (PS2)
Street Fighter III 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future (PS2)
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (XB)
Capcom Fighting Evolution (PS2)
Capcom Fighting Evolution (XB)
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves (DC)
The King of Fighters 2000 (DC)
Rage of the Dragons (AES)
The King of Fighters 2000 (PS2)
The King of Fighters 2002 (AES)
The King of Fighters 2001 (DC)
The King of Fighters 2003 (AES)
The King of Fighters 2002 (DC)
The King of Fighters 2001 (PS2)
SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom (AES)
The King of Fighters 2002 (PS2)
Samurai Showdown V (AES)
SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom (PS2)
Power Instinct Matrimelee (AES)
The King of Fighters 2003 (PS2)
Samurai Shodown V Special (AES)
Samurai Shodown V (PS2)
SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom (XB)
The King of Fighters 2002 (XB)
The King of Fighters '94 Re-Bout (PS2)
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves (PS2)
The King of Fighters 2003 (XB)
Samurai Shodown V (XB)
The King of Fighters '94 Re-Bout (XB)
Bakumatsu Roman: Last Blade 2-in-1 (PS2)
The King of Fighters NeoWave (PS2)
The King of Fighters NeoWave (XB)
The King of Fighters: NEST Collection (PS2)
NeoGeo Battle Coliseum (PS2)
The King of Fighters: Orochi Collection (PS2)
Metal Slug 4 (AES)
Metal Slug 3 (PS2)
Metal Slug 5 (AES)
Metal Slug 3 (XB)
Metal Slug 4 (PS2)
Metal Slug 4 (XB)
Metal Slug 5 (PS2)
Twinkle Star Sprites: La Petite Princess (PS2)
Metal Slug 5 (XB)
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Vennt
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jarrod said:
A list that makes my point for me, a list of titles padded out by both games that are ported cross mulltiple platforms and by sequels within a series. At best it represents less than 20 flavours of the same fighter(s) and shooter(s), at worst it represents what I mean by "unhealthy".
Like I said, It's not that there weren't *any* 2D titles, but you've got to be stretching things to refer to it as "healthy".
Granted... but then nearly all those handheld games are crusty ports as well. And those that aren't were outsourced outside the original teams.Vennt said:
dog$ notion that handhelds are eating all 2D franchises is entirely off the mark... besides, it works both ways. Handheld brands like SaGa, Seiken Densetsu, Kirby, Pokemon, Digimon, Yu-Gi-OH!, Rockman.EXE and others have all had varying degrees of success migrating to consoles as well. The truth is he's misplacing his resentment of his old favorites surviving on handhelds to the handhelds themselves... when the real problem was the console market evolving on it's own.
See, with a list like that you'd think more people would realize
a) The PS2 has more 2D games than people think.
b) Maybe console 2D isn't so dead after all, and maybe it isn't as unpopular and unprofitable as some would like for you to believe.
Both are statements I've found myself repeating to death on here lately. Thanks for helping reinforce my points, Jarrod.
a) The PS2 has more 2D games than people think.
b) Maybe console 2D isn't so dead after all, and maybe it isn't as unpopular and unprofitable as some would like for you to believe.
Both are statements I've found myself repeating to death on here lately. Thanks for helping reinforce my points, Jarrod.
Hey, when you see the GBA getting a new River City Ransom, new Double Dragon, 3 New Draculas, the only non-arcade version of the last SF Zero series, etc etc etc, and see the equivalent of nothing on consoles for all of the above titles, you're bound to get "irrational".
I'd like to know what fucking planet you were on where 2D games were plentiful even pre-PS2. In the US, 2D was dead as a doornail by the time the PSone and N64 were on the decline. Sure, I imported a lot of 2D Capcom and Atlus stuff for my Saturn and Dreamcast, but it was 3D or nothing on a 10-to-1 ratio or worse in America. Considering the US market became the primary one in the PS2 era, and 2D never sold there, you have your explanation for the lack of console 2D. If it doesn't sell in America, a medium-to-large budget game just isn't worth it these days, particularly for a company like Konami, which has clearly focused its efforts on the Western market at this point. Outside of arcade ports or recycled SNK content, 2D games are rarities on consoles and would be so without the handheld market. Drinky is absolutely correct. The handhelds are preserving 2D gaming, not confining it.
Drinky Crow
Banned
Handhelds ain't consoles!
I'll take classic 2D gameplay any way I can get but I'd still prefer to play the games in front of the TV - playing handhelds for long periods of time hurts my neck and strains my eyes. The GBA Player is very nice and works well with the Horii control pad (even though the colors look kind of saturated), I wish a PSPlayer would come out or something like that.