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|OT| NSFW Why gamers complain about their games being taken away |OT| Censorship Controversy Central

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People who watch Japanese anime bad.

She's not wrong though :(

2D girls 4ever!
 

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I have no problem with sex scenes if it *adds* something. In Mass Effect? In RDR? In GTA? It adds fucking nothing. Hell, in most eroges it adds nothing, which is why I prefer the all ages version. Removes the wasted time and poor pacing.
 
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I have no problem with sex scenes if it *adds* something. In Mass Effect? In RDR? In GTA? It adds fucking nothing. Hell, in most eroges it adds nothing, which is why I prefer the all ages version. Removes the wasted time and poor pacing.
Depends a lot on what you are looking for. Personally, I can't take a relationship seriously if there is no sex. So, I would argue that it does always add something. Doesn't need to be particularly explicit, but I also don't usually mind if it is..
It's what bothers me most about Brandon Sanderson's books. (not that it bothers me a lot)
 
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well, sony is moving away from japan anyway so whatever, get them on pc/switch.
at least some publisher are open about it and indirectly point their finger at sony for the removal of content
 
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All publishers gotta do is stand up for themselves. Imagine owning a PS5 a d missing out on the next Persona or DMC game because Sony wanted them to alter their games.
Imagine thinking all versions won't be censored if Snoy gets their cum encrusted hands on it.
 

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Or worse: Persona 6 gets to be uncensored simply because Sony allows it. No standard ruleset at all, just pure greedy agenda.
You mean like when they took the hot springs dlc out of one piece but left gal gun uncensored because big tiddy is worse than half naked sexualized little girls?
 

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It looks like Metacritic has completely purged user reviews on The Last of Us 2. There is not a single one there. But apparently you can still click a numerical value for the score. I don't know how often metacritic does this, but this is the first time I've seen it. It's a pretty blatant case of censorship if I've ever seen one.



Edit: Shortly after posting this, the reviews just magically popped back up. Weird.
 
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It looks like Metacritic has completely purged user reviews on The Last of Us 2. There is not a single one there. But apparently you can still click a numerical value for the score. I don't know how often metacritic does this, but this is the first time I've seen it. It's a pretty blatant case of censorship if I've ever seen one.



Edit: Shortly after posting this, the reviews just magically popped back up. Weird.
The score is slowly creeping up. 4.1/10 across 61,000 reviews.

At least it's now ahead of Big Rig Racing which is at 3.9/10.
 

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The score is slowly creeping up. 4.1/10 across 61,000 reviews.

At least it's now ahead of Big Rig Racing which is at 3.9/10.

At the end of the day, Metacritic are going to delete just the negative reviews, until the score hit some high number (like 8).
And this without considering any kind of difference between all the negative reviews. They are going to just delete them.
(even if in some little cases can be legitimate review)
 

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Sony California implemented the present censorship guidelines/policy following the Hollywood #Metoo movement so their male playstation audience don't go around sexual assaulting.
And now recent #metoo accusation against Insomniac studios which is part of Sony Playstation Studios.

I don't know if this the right thread for discussing SJW/Feminist pandering by western game studios.

Following gamergate and feminist frequency videos, many western developers have instilled third wave feminist policy while developing games for western audience deliberately shoehorning female lead characters and writing them with SJW undertones. As SJW/Feminist main focus was on "Male-gaze",the new female characters are designed to detract from "Male-gaze" therefore have Lesbian Haircuts, removed/lessened female curves/walking gait and less feminine facial structures, therefore masculinized, like Mass Effect Andromeda, Dishonored 2 and its DLC, BF5, wolfenstein youngblood, gears 5 and Abby from TLOU2 and upcoming games from Housemarque and Project Athia. So it is indeed SJW pandering.

The recent Capcom's Resident Evil 3 Remake turned Jill Valentine into Doomguy-esque as shown by her lifting the heavy BFG(Rail gun) and shoving it inside Nemesis mouth a la Spider Mastermind from Doom 2016. It was as cringe as watching Chris Redfield punching a boulder in RE5. Remake Jill Valentine is now just a gender-swapped doomguy while original Resident evil 3: Nemesis Jill Valentine was more badass IMO.

Square Enix now has dedicated ethics department which caters to American SJW/feminist politics so their games don't offend Americans/Western European audience's sensibilities. The design of Project Athia and Housemarque female lead ticks the checkbox for how to design 3rd wave feminist woman for western audience. Capcom could potentially have it own ethic department equivalent if RE3:Remake is anything to go by.
 
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It looks like Metacritic has completely purged user reviews on The Last of Us 2. There is not a single one there. But apparently you can still click a numerical value for the score. I don't know how often metacritic does this, but this is the first time I've seen it. It's a pretty blatant case of censorship if I've ever seen one.



Edit: Shortly after posting this, the reviews just magically popped back up. Weird.
Someone on Reddit did a meta-analysis on the user reviews and it turns out that the 10/10 reviews are more fake than the 0/10 reviews.
 
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People who watch Japanese anime bad.

Yikes.

What really bothers me about takes like these especially is that most '' gamer bros '' losing their minds about this stuff do NOT like Anime...
I dunno why people think that edgy gamer bros are big into Anime or like sexualized content in general.
Maybe there's a small group of them on Twitter that do, but if you actually interact with people on gaming forums most of these people think that anything sexual is '' degenerate '' and hate Anime.

It's the same thing with how people connect it to the right wing and alt righters, they're the ones writing books about why they think porn is bad and sit around calling women whores for showing cleavage and obsess to an extreme level about women on Twitch not wearing turtlenecks.

Edit: for someone who's supposed to be progressive too. She's kinda pushing negative stereotypes about people and a part of Japanese culture too.
 
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People who watch Japanese anime bad.

This tweet is a cast-iron example of something this person will look back on later and think 'what was I huffing when I tweeted this out'.

To me, it's akin to the problematic viewpoint a racist grandparent might come out with but not realise it - that kind of sounded good at the time, but won't age well opinion.
 
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Niinou said he’s worried about releasing the game nowadays, and he’ll take some time to think about all that as he keeps working on Fate/Extra Record. Niinou was probably referencing how Sony, for over a year now, tends to randomly censor Japanese games on PS4 and Vita compared to their Switch, PC, or Xbox One releases. And doing so without regard to the age rating the game has in the first place.
 
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You can say it's just some dumb panty shots but it sucks that they censored it in a patch after the games release, after they already took people's money.
Literally just came here to post this. At least it won't be censored if you don't update it. Physicalchads win again.
 

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Archive Link for people who don't want to click on the above link: https://archive.is/VyuPG

American Male feminist writer along with other feminist quoted in article wants to dictate how Japanese developers make their Yakuza* game, making arguments for pushing for more American/Western SJW agenda in Japanese games.

*Yakuza are Japanese organized crime syndicates involved in smuggling drugs, extortion and trafficking woman. The video game series is a fictionalized take on Yakuza mainly focuses on inter-gangster relations aspect.

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These games don’t exist in a vacuum. They may tell stories by, about, and designed for men, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that the same progressive, empathetic attitude the series takes with regard to its male characters doesn’t extend to its female ones.

The fact that the franchise both succeeds and fails in its discussion of gender has invited a lot of feminist analysis that attempts to make sense of all of these apparent contradictions. Rena, an artist and Yakuza fan, cited the 2019 interview with Nagoshi as evidence of a possible reason why the franchise treats its male and female characters so differently. She told Polygon that while it’s commendable that the series’ developers “are willing to implement healthy (and at times even subversive!) amounts of masculinity in their male protagonists by working in positive traits, they are less willing to listen to women’s voices in terms of handling female characters with agency instead of just respectfully.”

Yakuza includes compelling female characters who aren’t just there as eye candy or to serve as narrative crutches to further a male protagonist’s story. But, at the same time, the games deny these female characters the agency afforded to male characters. Women in the franchise are largely unable to achieve their own goals through their own actions, relying instead on the protagonist to help them first. This means that despite its best efforts, the Yakuza franchise’s discussions of toxic masculinity are necessarily incomplete.

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Archive Link for people who don't want to click on the above link: https://archive.is/VyuPG

American Male feminist writer along with other feminist quoted in article wants to dictate how Japanese developers make their Yakuza* game, making arguments for pushing for more American/Western SJW agenda in Japanese games.

*Yakuza are Japanese organized crime syndicates involved in smuggling drugs, extortion and trafficking woman. The video game series is a fictionalized take on Yakuza mainly focuses on inter-gangster relations aspect.

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SJW take : -

Wow, even SuperBestFriendsPlay is being infected by social justice cunts now. Disappointing.
 
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lmao one of the lowest comments on there
Hot take.

It's OK to have mostly masculine stories with mostly just male characters.

Yakuza wants to be a tough guy series about tough guys punching each other really hard? That's fine.
Absolutely sickening. All of these virgins need to get laid. Or watch the Yakuza Wives films and fuck off.
 

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what's extra obnoxious about this is that the fart cloud obscures the UI elements which means some pearl clutching spaz added it over the existing video to protect our delicate eyes from a butt cheek.

A serious question here. So many posters come here and talk about Japanese pride and not selling-out to American companies yada yada yada but why the fuck does Sony Japan allow SJW Americans to control this kind of crap? Where's the supposed pride in all of this? This sucks.
 
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I have no idea what this game is but Sony strikes again?
what's extra obnoxious about this is that the fart cloud obscures the UI elements which means some pearl clutching spaz added it over the existing video to protect our delicate eyes from a butt cheek.
But all these third party censoring bits with fart clouds (new one) and those bright white streaks are countered by first party games. Nothing says sex more than two people get naked and doing doggy in LoU2, but that's a-ok.

So in a way, you can say it's balanced out. lol
 
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A serious question here. So many posters come here and talk about Japanese pride and not selling-out to American companies yada yada yada but why the fuck does Sony Japan allow SJW Americans to control this kind of crap? Where's the supposed pride in all of this? This sucks.
Because since 2016, Sony gaming HQ is now in California. Your liberal leftie on the west coast calls the shots now.
 
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I have no idea what this game is but Sony strikes again?
Just as a general heads-up, this comparison is from a trailer for the upcoming Atelier Ryza 2. The obscured version is from the trailer uploaded to the U.S. Playstation YouTube page, but both the related Japanese and European trailers do not feature the added fog. Currently, this is the American arm of Playstation being prudish; no actual censorship has yet been confirmed.
 
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Just as a general heads-up, this comparison is from a trailer for the upcoming Atelier Ryza 2. The obscured version is from the trailer uploaded to the U.S. Playstation YouTube page, but both the related Japanese and European trailers do not feature the added fog. Currently, this is the American arm of Playstation being prudish; no actual censorship has yet been confirmed.
It's highly likely given past records, even with outrages from the weebs.
 

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It's highly likely given past records, even with outrages from the weebs.
Looking at the trailer video, the fog also appears to be over top the UI; and again, the Japanese & European trailers do not feature the same issue. The fog is only present on the trailer uploaded to the U.S. Playstation YouTube channel. As stated in my previous post, no actual censorship has been confirmed.
 

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Looking at the trailer video, the fog also appears to be over top the UI; and again, the Japanese & European trailers do not feature the same issue. The fog is only present on the trailer uploaded to the U.S. Playstation YouTube channel. As stated in my previous post, no actual censorship has been confirmed.
My last post still stands, given past records. EU is a-ok but US oo naw.
 

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My last post still stands, given past records. EU is a-ok but US oo naw.
Games released after Sony instituted its content policy have been the the same in all regions. This doesn't mean the U.S. release won't be censored, but existing precedent suggest this is merely a censored trailer. To put things another way, it's not "highly unlikely" the U.S. release will be censored.
 

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Games released after Sony instituted its content policy have been the the same in all regions. This doesn't mean the U.S. release won't be censored, but existing precedent suggest this is merely a censored trailer. To put things another way, it's not "highly unlikely" the U.S. release will be censored.
Existing precedent? Care to share one or two of those?
 

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Because since 2016, Sony gaming HQ is now in California. Your liberal leftie on the west coast calls the shots now.

I know that, and that's precisely why I'm asking. How the fuck did the Jap branch let this happen?

A lot of salty folks were saying "oh, a Japanese company is proud and would never let an American company buy it yada yada yada" but the American branch of a Japanese company can become the boss and call the shots? It's hypocrisy overdrive. Commiefornia sucks.
 
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I know that, and that's precisely why I'm asking. How the fuck did the Jap branch let this happen?

A lot of salty folks were saying "oh, a Japanese company is proud and would never let an American company buy it yada yada yada" but the American branch of a Japanese company can become the boss and call the shots? It's hypocrisy overdrive. Commiefornia sucks.
 
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Existing precedent? Care to share one or two of those?
You're asking for examples of games that weren't altered in Japan and also weren't altered in the U.S. The U.S. market was made aware of Sony's content policy by the alteration of Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal, which released in N.A. and PAL territories in January 2019. Roughly speaking, games released in Japan as of--or after--January 2019 have not seen content altered in the West, due to Sony's policy.
 

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Roughly speaking, games released in Japan as of--or after--January 2019 have not seen content altered in the West, due to Sony's policy.
What does this mean? The problem is far more rooted than just mere censored contents. The Gal Gun Returns for example, would only not be released on Playstation due to their strict policy and hand-waving the already approved CERO ratings. The usual precedent would always be censored trailer = censored release, with only couple of exceptions.

See this for the Gal Gun news.