If you want all of this at the same time, you play on PC. Period.
Now you believed the lies of Jimbo and Philly, that's on you honestly.
They are stuck between cross generational (3d geometry, raytracing lightning, SSD) games and marketing bullshit (4k, 120fps)I remember starting this Gen all we could hear was how Ray tracing, SSD, 4K and 120fps will change gaming forever. Now all i am hearing is GaaS, live service and meta verse. Publishers and Devs are now looking for more ways to make players give them more cash instead of truly making use of the features and tech that comes with them systems. its sad as now how things are going for this Gen i can see free 2 play GaaS games are going to be the main focus as Open World as in the 8 Gen and First Person Shooters were in the 7Gen.
So when are we going to see what this Gen true games start using all those tech and features.
Every new console gen this shit happens.
I swear people's hype glasses fog up parts of the product pitch at the start of each gen.
Up to 4K, up to 120fps, raytracing in supported software!
The words "up to" and "in supported software" along with the paragraph of small print typically plastered on advertisements have been used for decades and people still can't seem to see them.
It's a $500 box, why did people think it would do what a $2500 box does? Magic?
Well mostly because the weird prices we are living in PC scheme.It's a fair point, but on the other hand, they do seem to be able to do what a $2000 box does, and better than a $1500 box can manage.
It's not magic, it's just production at scale.
Well mostly because the weird prices we are living in PC scheme.
At normalized prices it should be something like $700-800.
Yes but consoles keep the normalized price.Doesn't that squeeze on supply affect the consoles too?
I dunno how you could think demon's souls remake loading as quickly as it does isn't a revolution..
Yes but consoles keep the normalized price.
If you find stock you can buy consoles at MSPR $499.
You can’t buy RTX cards at MSPR anymore.
I mean all that stuff is there with compromises. Consoles are a great value but you get what you pay for. Best build a PC if you want all that stuff with less compromises.
Not really, as console makers make contracts for years. Normally, e.g. Sony would have increased production at this point, but as there are no resources they can "buy" there won't be any additional consoles. It seems more like the opposite is the case as Sony will provide less consoles this year than last year. It seems more like they just moved a bit of this year resources forward to the last year in the hope that they can get additional contracts for parts this year. But as the chip-crisis still prevails it doesn't change much instead we just get less consoles this year.Doesn't that squeeze on supply affect the consoles too?
Not really, as console makers make contracts for years. Normally, e.g. Sony would have increased production at this point, but as there are no resources they can "buy" there won't be any additional consoles. It seems more like the opposite is the case as Sony will provide less consoles this year than last year. It seems more like they just moved a bit of this year resources forward to the last year in the hope that they can get additional contracts for parts this year. But as the chip-crisis still prevails it doesn't change much instead we just get less consoles this year.
So no, the supply problems don't affect existing contracts, but they just can't increase production as they would want. So PS5 will sell worse than PS4 in the same timeframe, just because they can't increase production because of this
Statistics for the current generation won't look good in comparison to the last generation, but just because they just can't satisfy demand.
Problem with that is, they can't really focus on the current generation until market penetration is high enough so they have so many customers that a high cost AAA title can be profitable (normally only a friction of your potential customers buy a game).
A 3090? Even a 3060 would match or exceed the consoles.Yeah but I'd argue that you don't get what you pay for. To get a really substantial improvement over a console, I'd probably have to get a 3090. I'd have to pay about 6x what my digital PS5 cost me, but I wouldn't get anything remotely like 6x the performance. I don't think it's even 3x, is it?
That's why I just laugh when people say 'if you want 60fps just get a PC!'. It's a bit unhelpful, especially when we still have no idea when PS games become available on the platform. But that's fine, because I can just play the latest Assassin's Creed at REALLY high settings and 200fps. Great.
This ^Quick Resume is possible because of the SSD and it's the best next gen feature by a mile.
A 3090? Even a 3060 would match or exceed the consoles.
That’s not what image quality means! Image quality means image sharpness, jaggies, temporal stability etc.Resolution doesn't always equal image quality. Assets I would argue are even more important. Rendering > Resolution.
I've seen all of those in games this gen.
Destiny 2 is gorgeous on XSX and PS5 and also offers a 120 fps crucible mode.I just played guardians of the galaxy with awesome Ray tracing.
Now I'm playing uncharted 4 at 120fps. Next doom at 120fps.
I'm playing warzone at 120fps, played siege recently at 120fps. Dirt 5 also. My games are loading in seconds. The promise was real.
A 3090 is still overkill and your statement is ridiculous. A 3060Ti outperforms these consoles and the GPU is only part of the equation. I see a substantial difference in performance and image quality between my PC and Series X and I'm rocking a 2070.I said substantial. Maybe I should've been clearer - I mean at least 2x the performance, but probably more. A difference undeniably worth having, something like the PS4 Pro over the PS4.
Yep playing that also atm just haven't been on crucible. Ratchet also with the 40fps / 120fps mode.Destiny 2 is gorgeous on XSX and PS5 and also offers a 120 fps crucible mode.
A 3090 is still overkill and your statement is ridiculous. A 3060Ti outperforms these consoles and the GPU is only part of the equation. I see a substantial difference in performance and image quality between my PC and Series X and I'm rocking a 2070.
How are you quantifying 2x performance here? With PC you get better RT, DLSS support, greater performance and higher settings. On consoles you get better framerates at the cost of settings and a lower res, or higher res and settings at the cost of framerate.I meant genuinely significant improvement. Like 2x performance at the very least.
There are reasons to want a 4K/120Hz screen....I don't blame non technical gamers, kinda sucks. You gotta get more savvy if you don't want to be constantly let down like this, just make friends with a nerd and ask them if you can't be bothered learning yourself.
I had a customer the other week and he wouldn't buy a TV without 4K120 support and I kept asking him what he plays and he just said single-player mostly.
I told him as time goes on there will be less and less 4K120 modes and you certainly won't see them in AAA SP games, so maybe buy the TV with other factors at the forefront instead. He was literally going to get an Sony X85J just to get 4K120 support because he didn't want to pay more than 900, when he should've been getting an LG B1 at 999 if he didn't want to go to C1/A80J price.
I said to him I don't think it's a bad idea to future proof and even if there aren't many 4K120 modes then there will be other benefits for SP games like 4K60@444 HDR output and potential 40hz modes but I don't think it's something you'll notice at all.
The guy couldn't tell the difference between 30 and 60, so absolutely no hope for seeing the 30/40 or 60/120 motion clarity benefit imo.
Usually I can say look I'm a nerd here's what's worth worrying about and they go with it. Sometimes the customer tells me specific PC stuff they want to do and I say well you actually really will benefit so definitely get a 4K120 set, but this 1/1000 customer described above falls into a niche I like to call:
"Enthusi-tard"
It's best to just leave them to it because nothing I say will change their mind and they have things all twisted so it's like arguing with a child who doesn't grasp the basic concept of something.
Fixed it for youYou'll get 1080p60 or 1800p30 and you'll like it
Remember Watch Dogs at E3 vs the game that shipped? That was another over-promise, under-deliver gameIt's called a sales pitch. Read between the lines to get a better sense of what you might actually get cause they never said you'd get all those at once or even get one of those features at their best.
How are you quantifying 2x performance here? With PC you get better RT, DLSS support, greater performance and higher settings. On consoles you get better framerates at the cost of settings and a lower res, or higher res and settings at the cost of framerate.
No one is arguing that consoles aren't a great value because they are. But you get what you pay for.
Contex of his post was to build topend rig, not something thats just bit better than ps5/xsx, and current streetprice of mentioned by u 3060ti is north of 1k usd aloneYou can get a next gen rig with a rtx 3060 ti/12gb for around $1500 if you buy pre-build tho. Shouldn't be more than 2000 total if you include monitor M&K, headphones, etc.
Its still expensive, just not 4-5k expensive. But sure, if you go for a rtx 3080 ti and building a pc from the ground up, you might end up having to fork out that much.
You had a dream... but Morpheus smacked you big time and all that is left for you is Tasty Wheat.I remember starting this Gen all we could hear was how Ray tracing, SSD, 4K and 120fps will change gaming forever. Now all i am hearing is GaaS, live service and meta verse. Publishers and Devs are now looking for more ways to make players give them more cash instead of truly making use of the features and tech that comes with them systems. its sad as now how things are going for this Gen i can see free 2 play GaaS games are going to be the main focus as Open World as in the 8 Gen and First Person Shooters were in the 7Gen.
So when are we going to see what this Gen true games start using all those tech and features.
Currently due to crypto boom all gpus cost roughly 2x its msrp, so yup, its extremly bad value or in other words price/perf ratio, consoles are king there, especially ps5 and xsx, xss not so much coz of 3x weaker gpu and very small ssd.I know I'm being pedantic here, but acknowledging that consoles are particularly good value and saying that you get what you pay for are contradictory positions. With a PC you get significantly LESS than you pay for.
tell me how they revolutionize the games that cant be done on the previous gen.