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What if I'm typing out a password somewhere? That's a security risk.

 

[12Goblins]

I used to play competitively for money and If I knew with high certainty that hackers couldn't go around this anti cheat software and the people running the software were reputable, I would be for this 1000%

 

[xBlueStonex]

Vanguard is straight up malware and is the one reason why I don't play Valorant. The fact they made it even worse is insane to me.

 

[Agent_Nobody]

If a bunch of people keep a bunch of tabs open while playing you can make it so their employees have to watch furry porn all day.

 

[Dorfdad]

is this a multiplayer problem that i'm too single-player to understand ?

on a more serious note, i would say it is not ok to take in-game screenshots without player's consent, but here the tweet is saying they can screenshot anything on your PC i.e any window other than the game itself ? How ? is there no Windows permission required to do this ? This is FUBAR

and then they wonder why piracy is a thing

It’s a rootkit that lives at the kernal level of the PC. It has unrestricted access to everything in your pc. Some rootkits can survive formatting of drives even. They can capture screenshots, voice, and keystrokes.

If that’s not bad Riot is owned like 98% by tencent who is a Chinese owned company, and according to Chinese law they are required to give any data the government requests.

Who decided what and how much data they give? Now imagine all your future games having this access to sensitive data. While this might sound far fetched it’s already happening and while it may start with very good intentions, we all know how this turns out in reality.

Never playing on of these games again. If your goal is to “control” all aspects of gaming in the name of security design an all cloud infrastructure.

 

[nemiroff]

Doesnt worry me one bit as long as it only happens while playing the game. It's sad that we need this kernel level shit to curb cheating, but it is what it is.

 

[March Climber]

Sounds like it's about time for them to make the reveal:

And announce a release date.

 

[reinking]

If a bunch of people keep a bunch of tabs open while playing you can make it so their employees have watch furry porn all day.

Have to? Or, get to?

 

[Generic]

Sounds like it's about time for them to make the reveal:

And announce a release date.

It would impossible to play Valorant on a controller.

 

[March Climber]

It would impossible to play Valorant on a controller.

 

[ChoosableOne]

What if I'm typing out a password somewhere? That's a security risk.

 

[DaGwaphics]

If only you knew what Windows could already do to surveil you.

I choose to remain unaware.

I also try to do my part in fighting survellience by being as basic and boring of a subject as there gets. It's uncanny how well I fit my avatar.

 

[StereoVsn]

Vanguard is a kernel level anti-cheat that has full 100% access to your PC.

And this is why I refuse to play MP games with that shit. Any sort of these go right to the console. It’s just asking to get hacked or get that data leaked.

Edit: Wait, this is Tencent. Can piggyback on anti-China sentiment in Congress and get this banned alongside TikTok!

 

[StereoVsn]

Doubtful. Intrusive anti-cheat software aren't illegal as far as I'm aware. Nothing will come of this. I sacrificed my privacy for a better gaming experience, and deliberately ignored the fact I'd given them kernel level access. That's on me, not on them.

It could be against EU’s GDPR rules depending on what they do with the data. Especially if it goes outside EU.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Yikes. That seems borderline illegal.

Sounds like what Apple is doing with their iPhones. The era of electronic surveillance is upon us!

 

[Barakov]

This is a big deal because Riot is launching Vanguard (the anti-cheat that does this) with League of Legends.

This thing sounded foul from the get go. This proves this thing is pure poison.

 

[DaciaJC]

This was posted in the Twitter replies. I'm not sure what relevance it has to the topic, but I figured it was valuable to share with the rest of you.

 

[simpatico]

Online gamers, you guys asked for this. I'm annoyed every time I have to install some anti cheat shit because a game I'm playing has a MP component that adults care enough to complain about the hackers. I'm not a pro, but to have any shot at catching these cheats you really have to dig deep in an operating system. It's just online shooty games yall, if someone is cheating, have a good lol at it and hope he's not there in the next match. Don't start lobbying devs to make sophisticated anti cheat rootkits. I swear it's gonna be ok if the guy with an aimbot gets a 30:1 kd.

 

[Soodanim]

Sounds like what Apple is doing with their iPhones. The era of electronic surveillance is upon us!

Anything to substantiate that?

 

[demigod]

The plot thickens!

Vanguard just went live and LoL players are already claiming it's bricking their PCs

The anti-Vanguard uproar from the League community has been very swift and very loud.

dotesports.com

I had to enable something in the Bios to run Valorant on my nephew’s PC last year. It might’ve been the TPM. Why it needs to turn shit on in bios is beyond me.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Anything to substantiate that?

There's been plenty of articles about Apple going in to iPhones to check your photos.

https://www.rd.com/article/apple-scanning-photos/

 

[Soodanim]

There's been plenty of articles about Apple going in to iPhones to check your photos.

https://www.rd.com/article/apple-scanning-photos/

Oh, that. I don't think that was ever implemented after the backlash, though I could be wrong.

For context for anyone else reading, Apple wanted to implement something to scan pictures being uploaded to iCloud to check hashes against a known database of illegal images. People kicked off and immediately started proving a point by syncing false positive images to iCloud, and the last I heard was that it wasn't implemented.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Oh, that. I don't think that was ever implemented after the backlash, though I could be wrong.

For context for anyone else reading, Apple wanted to implement something to scan pictures being uploaded to iCloud to check hashes against a known database of illegal images. People kicked off and immediately started proving a point by syncing false positive images to iCloud, and the last I heard was that it wasn't implemented.

Also, companies can go in to your console and remove digital games. I got a refund on Cyberpunk and MS removed it. They went right in to my system and deleted the game while also removing it from my owned games list.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Do people who play those games even care?

 

[Agent_Nobody]

Have to? Or, get to?

I figure it goes something like this:

 

[LakeOf9]

Fuck me. That's terrifying. Maybe we should have a Steam curator that lists games containing intrusive anti-cheat/DRM programs.....is there already a tracker like this ?

Pointless if your game is not on Steam. Which Riot's are not.

 

[newtypepilot]

we are invading your privacy but the data is safe with us!
trust me bro!

 

[StereoVsn]

Oh, that. I don't think that was ever implemented after the backlash, though I could be wrong.

For context for anyone else reading, Apple wanted to implement something to scan pictures being uploaded to iCloud to check hashes against a known database of illegal images. People kicked off and immediately started proving a point by syncing false positive images to iCloud, and the last I heard was that it wasn't implemented.

That was not implemented. Apple backed out and stated this is dead.

 

[Unknown?]

Oh, that. I don't think that was ever implemented after the backlash, though I could be wrong.

For context for anyone else reading, Apple wanted to implement something to scan pictures being uploaded to iCloud to check hashes against a known database of illegal images. People kicked off and immediately started proving a point by syncing false positive images to iCloud, and the last I heard was that it wasn't implemented.

Look up what Edward Snowden leaked about NSAs PRISM program. Apple was a willing participant.

 

[StereoVsn]

Look up what Edward Snowden leaked about NSAs PRISM program. Apple was a willing participant.

Yes, this is totally the same thing.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

If somebody (hypothetically) had a 7 monitor goon cave setup, could this take screenshots of all 7 screens?

 

[Kilau]

If only you knew what Windows could already do to surveil you.

Windows telemetry is obscene, but I don't know that it has started to screen cap your PC (yet).

 

[Unknown?]

Yes, this is totally the same thing.

It shows a lack of respect towards their users privacy.

 

[MayauMiao]

I bet you agreed to it in the EULA.

Not when it comes to taking screenshots without permission.

What if I'm typing out a password somewhere? That's a security risk.

I' ve seen lots of office workers did so with notepads on their desktop notes.

 

[MikeM]

Whats the bigger evil: paying for online on console, or kernel level cheat on PC?

 

[darrylgorn]

Just hit ctrl shift n to open the game in a private window.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Whats the bigger evil: paying for online on console, or kernel level cheat on PC?

Playing Valorant or LoL.

 

[Codeblew]

Does it at least give you a warning beforehand that it is installing a rootkit? I would hope that windows also at least asks for admin permissions before installing any of this shit.

I would never install anything like this on my PC, especially for a game. This is how people get PWNED.