I mean, when the Thread was opened there were plenty of reasons to question the system.
Because, my friend, I dont Know if is worth arguing against someone individual opinion whose basis regarding what Xbox One X was and represented versus Xbox One/PS4 is certainly genuine.So your mask just fell off again.. got it.
Very disappointed. I just hope it's this Thread that got you all worked up for some reason, and you'll be back being an objective user soon.
If we already have two games showing you can have infinitely better IQ while having also FOUR RT features on top, you really want to talk about what could potentially be seen in games patches?
Want me to the post the generational difference that is better IQ AND double the framerate AND RT features on top?
D Darsxx82
Come on Xbox boy, don't be shy laughing in the darkness and join the discussion. I'm sure you'll be able to demonstrate how better IQ is more of an upgrade than better IQ + double the framerate + multiple RT on top.
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and not so much whether for you or others what PS5 Pro offers compared to PS4/XSX is better or worse (as a "Pro" console) than what XBO X offered compared to XBO/PS4 at the time.
True.
I appreaciate the response.Because, my friend, I dont Know if is worth arguing against someone individual opinion whose basis regarding what Xbox One X was and represented versus Xbox One/PS4 is certainly biased, self-serving, and partial with respect to what it actually represented.
"XBO X was only better IQ"
And the thing is, you're showing a certain deliberate forgetfulness regarding the Xbox One X and you're also referencing the PS5 Pro results, ignoring realities as others have already pointed out here. For starters, the vast majority of games on PS5 Pro with 60fps also have that mode on the base consoles. Or they have 40fps or 60fps VRR modes. But you insist on:
" PS5PRO offer IQ + graphics+ 60fps"
Furthermore, the situations are different, and the needs or interests of developers regarding where to use the extra power, rather than just the extra processing power, have changed.
With the Xbox One X, you had 4x or more extra power in some cases compared to the base consoles. And this extra power wasn't just always demonstrated in a MASSIVE improvement in image quality (and therefore image stability) and general framerate, but also (where your selective memory or forgetfulness comes into play) in games that sometimes implemented 60fps modes not found on Xbox One/PS5. Not to mention that there were also games that, in addition to image quality, image stability, and a better overall framerate, offered graphical improvements VS PS4/XBO (shadows, anti-aliasing, SAO, AF, subsurface scatering, etc.). That 4x or 5x processing power could have been used to improve purely graphical and visual aspects. The priorities were simply different.
It's as simple as jogging your memory and remembering...... And, BIG fact there, all of that at half the price or less of the PS5 Pro.
So, to answer the question in this thread, is the PS5 Pro "Pro" enough? Well, it's an individual matter based on each person's needs and requirements, considering the price and the results. That's why it would never occur to me to discuss or give my opinion on whether buying a PS5 Pro is a good or bad idea.
Interestingly, the question was asked before the release of PSSr2, and look how the decisions had already been made
And finally, regarding the question of whether the PS5 Pro offers greater or better improvements than the Xbox One X at the time like i think you deffend... Well, it's what I stated at the beginning. You just need to remember what it actually offered... and at what price.
I certainly think that your arguments are not being fair and correct regarding what XBO X represented and, in fact, that is the reason and basis of my response to your post with a
There is no such thing as PSSR2. Only in our minds.
This this this and this. BC is still an afterthought on consoles. If they were serious about it they would solve this issue of 720p/30 fps hell so many games have.
I had the sexy Project Scorpio edition and things improved for sure but the differences weren't as large as PS5 to PS5 Pro even though it was like 5x stronger than the regular XBO.So your mask just fell off again.. got it.
Very disappointed. I just hope it's this Thread that got you all worked up for some reason, and you'll be back being an objective user soon.
If we already have two games showing you can have infinitely better IQ while having also FOUR RT features on top, you really want to talk about what could potentially be seen in games patches?
Want me to the post the generational difference that is better IQ AND double the framerate AND RT features on top?
D Darsxx82
Come on Xbox boy, don't be shy laughing in the darkness and join the discussion. I'm sure you'll be able to demonstrate how better IQ is more of an upgrade than better IQ + double the framerate + multiple RT on top.
When you have to resort to AI to make your point about the subject in question, you should just stop debating. It just means you're not qualified to even discuss the subject at all.
The 1440p limit on the base ps5 is just pure laziness by CDPR. That is to be expected though. The console ports of Cyberpunk were terrible and underperformed the hardware they were on.
Wasn't the One X $500 at launch?
If you can't beat an old rtx 3080 on a better node, i don't think you can call your console a pro console. Sony is charging now $899 USD for a console that has a weaker gpu than a 6 year old rtx 3080.
It's also a console that uses like 240w of power max in a relatively slim form factor. A RTX 3080 alone uses like 300w alone.
The rtx 4070, a 3080 equivalent is on a similar node as the ps5 pro. It has a TGP of 200 watts. It usually uses around 180W during gameplay.
You're still comparing a complete system to a GPU.
Why wouldn't I? If you were following the discussion, you'd know that i've been heavily focused on the gpu. If you create an SOC with a 4070 and the laptop amd cpu, it will still remain under 240 watts during gameplay.
Huh? They call it a Pro console because they are comparing it to the base PS5. Sure as shit is Pro compared to that. It largely gives you quality mode at 60fps. Name related comparisons to PC aren't relevant, its a console, different market, different audience, different capabilities, different experience.
That goes both ways.
I would like to talk a bit about that "PS4 enchanced image quality" in Pro menu.
Zoom in:
Notice oversharpening on UI, jaggies are still there under the arc. "Sharper jaggies" is exactly how it looks like.
They are apparently using some ML to do this (performance hit), but end result is not really much different than sharpening filters from Reshade.
I would like to talk a bit about that "PS4 enchanced image quality" in Pro menu.
Zoom in:
Notice oversharpening on UI, jaggies are still there under the arc. "Sharper jaggies" is exactly how it looks like.
Yes because $699 for just a GPU that actually didn't sell for the msrp but closer to $999 is equivalent to an entire system. What a fair comparison.
$500 in 2017 is about $680 now just in inflation. That's not even taking into account the memory crisis we're in now.
What has regular PS5 low availability got to do with PS5 Pro though? The retailers and OEMs weren't jacking up PS5 regular prices like they were 3080s. The 699 was just a paper launch price of the FE. The retail price for the 3080 was higher. Even 2 years ago (no shortage) when the PS5 Pro launched the average retail price for an outdated 3080 was $850 vs $699 for a PS5 Pro (entire system and controller).
My 3080 uses about 300W in game. Can go as high as 420W when pushed IIRC
Read the sentence again. It'll make sense.
Thanks to Ubisoft's released raytracing numbers via DF, it actually doesn't go both ways. We know from Ubisoft's numbers that it's not even 2x faster overall in RT.
Even four years ago in 2022:
I got a 3080 for a solid price as well. Either way, the point still stands.
That 3080 retail price wasn't the price for old discontinued hardware especially in 2022, come on now. Do you want to go to 2021 too now to see if it was better?
Special, aren't we?
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How about performance?
