I hate the shotgun. Apparently my connection sucks because literally the only time when I win a shotgun battle is when the other guy misses and I have time to get a second shot. And you'd better believe that, over the course of nearly 300 games, I've tried every possible variation on timing. So many times I get my shot off first only to die. I'm aware that, for some of those, I may be shooting too soon. But certainly not every time, and certainly not all the times that it happens to me. Something's wrong here and for once it's not me.
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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Virtua Ben
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chase said:
I had that problem one game in particular. I always saw this one guy (who wasn't that great of a player) that for some reason I just couldn't kill with the shotgun, so I tried to change it up. I'd be sneaky, but still he'd manage to pull the shot off first. I could use any other gun to kill him, but if we both had shotguns I'd always lose. Like I said before, I've the same problem with melee's as well. Shitty problem. XBL NEEDS DEDICATED SERVERS. It wont happen though :/
JdFoX187 said:
IMO, Halo 2 is just horrible in general. Story sucked, multiplayer was broken in so many respects...I'm glad bungie fixed most of it with Halo 3.
That's all fine and well, but don't let the level 28 playing against two 18's level up like a mad man. He's consistantly outleveled me when we play in matches and he's a 30+ and I'm an 18.. That doesn't make since at all. If you're going to nurf the 18's from leveling reguarly when playing against 30's fine, but nurf the 30's from leveling normally is all I'm saying.JdFoX187 said:
Mainly I'm just reporting one case and have some questions.
unk you made some incredibly general statements and I have that fully grasped as to that concept. But I am wondering the specifics. Of course you level up win you when and delevel when you lose:lol . My question is related to, does K
play a roll? Or just Deaths. Do headshots count more towards you leveling, how about medals? Does time between deaths factor? etc etc etc.I am just looking for an official statement on what is truly looked at. Do you go more negative if your K
is less on the losing team? Ok enough examples.However lukes generalized specificity was enough to satisfy me until an offical "factors" list is released.
vumpler said:I am just looking for an official statement on what is truly looked at. Do you go more negative if your K
You are ranked by the objective of the gametype. Slayer is number of kills. Ratio isn't considered. That's at the highest level. In the event that two players share total number of kills, I assume it looks to assists or deaths to make the determination.
B.net had a general write up explaining the system for Halo 2, and my information is being based off of that, so it could be changed, but I believe it's the same from a broad perspective, probably with a few tweaks here and there.
I think the K/D ratio might have something to do with Slayer leveling in Halo 3. I played a game of Slayer at The Pit in Lone Wolves yesterday and I killed this guy with one second left to tie him. I was named the victor of the game, and I believe I had less deaths. I've also noticed leveling up a lot quicker in Team Slayer when I have a lot of kills and fewer deaths.
urk said:
You know, I hate to take their side, because I'd hate to be matchmade with players like that too, but I gotta say, I don't really consider it "cheating."
They're exploiting timing regularities that exist in the game itself, imo.
Photolysis
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So I just now figured out how to get vehicles across the broken part of Tsavo Highway
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Pretty fun mowing down those Fuel Rod bastards :lol
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Pretty fun mowing down those Fuel Rod bastards :lol
GDJustin said:
Don't make me whip out the butthole fishhooking analogy again. Don't make me.
Bungie says it's cheating. It's outside of the rules and an exploitation of the typical game mechanic. It's not meant to be there and most people (read 99%) don't know about it or choose not to use it because it's unfair.
It's cheating.
Diablohead
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I get the exact same problem with melee's, I don't even see him attempt it but i'll still go flying a good time after laying the final blow myself.LakeEarth said:
My ping isn't amazingly bad but im on a uni network and theres no way in the next two years I can change such things without moving out and spending a ton of cash on a new flat or house.
Shogmaster
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I finally decided to set my controller to Green Thumb again, back to my Halo 2 set up. Now it's harder to zoom but easier to smack. I smack a lot more so it's good. 
Kept zooming in instead of smacking the first few games afterwards though. 
Kept zooming in instead of smacking the first few games afterwards though. RE: BYYB, remember in the beta when you could "BXR" the pistol, and people said you could "double melee" simply because they'd see the melee animation twice, faster than if you were actually pressing B two times in a row?
In Halo 3, the animation locks at a point that dictates impact, which is to say, once a frame hits a certain point, it can't be canceled to swap weapons, fire, whatever. That point in Halo 2 was much more flexible, allowing you to do all kinds of melee related chicanery, same with Halo: CE, however in Halo 3, that lock is pretty late in a given sequence, so while you may be able to make it look like you are double meleeing, it's pretty likely that the frame of the animation that dictates "impact" hasn't occured yet, because the way the system was engineered, it was designed to cut off the ability to "cancel" out of an animation when a melee does damage to another player.
Simply and more coherently put: While a double melee may look like it's occuring, I am pretty skeptical and doubtful that it would hit a player twice, and have seen exactly zero evidence to support it against another player. It's basically the world's longest and most convoluted melee.
That's not to say I don't think stuff will surface, millions of players testing and trying to break stuff and find advantages are definitely going to find stuff our Testing Army didn't. But as of right now, I still haven't seen anything.
In Halo 3, the animation locks at a point that dictates impact, which is to say, once a frame hits a certain point, it can't be canceled to swap weapons, fire, whatever. That point in Halo 2 was much more flexible, allowing you to do all kinds of melee related chicanery, same with Halo: CE, however in Halo 3, that lock is pretty late in a given sequence, so while you may be able to make it look like you are double meleeing, it's pretty likely that the frame of the animation that dictates "impact" hasn't occured yet, because the way the system was engineered, it was designed to cut off the ability to "cancel" out of an animation when a melee does damage to another player.
Simply and more coherently put: While a double melee may look like it's occuring, I am pretty skeptical and doubtful that it would hit a player twice, and have seen exactly zero evidence to support it against another player. It's basically the world's longest and most convoluted melee.
That's not to say I don't think stuff will surface, millions of players testing and trying to break stuff and find advantages are definitely going to find stuff our Testing Army didn't. But as of right now, I still haven't seen anything.
RoboJ said:"SNAKING IN MARIO KART IS CHEATING"
Much different discussion. Snaking is a game mechanic. It's in the game intentionally. It's broken, for sure, and it's really a lame way to win, but there you go. It's meant to be there.
The glitches in Halo 2 are exploitations. Ways for players to "break" the game mechanics and operate outside of the parameters. You aren't meant to cancel reload animations or bounce two hundred feet into the air.
Basically, snaking is like arguing about single possession overtime rules in the NFL. It might be unfair, but it's in the rulebook. BXR is like taking video of the other team's coaches calling plays. It's not part of the game.
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:lolRoboJ said:"SNAKING IN MARIO KART IS CHEATING
"IS NOT"
"IS TOO"
"IS NOT"
"IS TOO"
The deciding factor for me has always been when the creators of the game say, "Our game was not meant to be played this way. It's cheating." That's when I won't do it any more.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8557363&postRepeater1-p=5 (yellow text)
He's speaking in the context of Xbox Live, since it can't really be cheating if you're playing custom MLG games at your neighbor's house, and everyone is okay with it. But he made it very obvious that Bungie did not intend for these actions to be possible in the game, and that's all I need to hear.Achronos said:
Photolysis
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zam said:
Just before the first generator you have to destroy to unblock the tunnel, hidden in the corner of one of the human buildings.
Diablohead
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So did BTB just get upped to 16 users? first game of tonight and im looking at 16 user slots instead of 12 in BTB
BTB is a great way to warm up for matchmaking imo, unless the team you get sided with doesn't understand the concept of capturing a flag... -_-
BTB is a great way to warm up for matchmaking imo, unless the team you get sided with doesn't understand the concept of capturing a flag... -_-
Yup, First matchmaking adjustment has gone live.Diablohead said:So did BTB just get upped to 16 users? first game of tonight and im looking at 16 user slots instead of 12 in BTB
BTB is a great way to warm up for matchmaking imo, unless the team you get sided with doesn't understand the concept of capturing a flag... -_-
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12844
Chinner said:
Awesome news across the board. But I did actual like on 1-sided VP that you didn't have a waypoint to the other team's VIP, made it interesting. Maybe I didn't play enough of it to run into exploits where people were hiding. Regardless thanks for posting this, good to know.
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It's posted by Achronos, so I'd say so.Karg said:
Here's a great article on pro gaming. Talks about Final Boss(the top MLG clan for those of you who don't follow this stuff) and their Halo 2 tournaments. It's a pretty long article, but a very good read.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/071008&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/071008&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1
siamesedreamer
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Any update on the stats problem? I'm now at over 100 hours since the last update.
Rodeo Clown
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Exactly. No waypoint is part of the challenge of 1-sided.Zozz said:
Chinner said:Personally, as a huge fan of BTB, I was hoping that they were gonna add some more gametypes and maps to it. Was really wanting to have CTF and Assault on Last Resort
Well think of it this way, it took just 2 weeks to get a playlist update. Don't think it'll be a long wait if people keep veto'ing the non-Assault/CTF gametypes for BTB. I have faith.
siamesedreamer said:
Yes, spoke with the guys this a.m., because, as I've said countlessly here, I'm in the same boat as you. In fact, a bunch of us at the office are. There was a bug with the linking of games to players for a number of players, those games still exist, the data still exists and there's a new tool being written right now that will retroactively reprocess all of that information and begin updating everything in the next 24 hours.
Diablohead
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Teh awesomes, might have to return to team ranked slayer then since I can never snipe to stay alive.Chinner said:
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