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[The Librarian]

I don't see how this is a problem, there needs to be a weapon to balance out vehicles. Rockets require the driver to come in too close and missile pod can be avoided. If you had more than 5 shots and could hoard it the duration of the match I'd see the complaint here.

There are a lot of ways to take out vehicles:
- Power Drain
- Trip Mine
- Charged Plasma Pistol
- Rockets
- Missile pod
- Turret
- Brute shot
- Gravity Hammer

There's a lot more ways to take down a vehicle than there were in Halo 2. Most of them require the vehicle to be in a certain situation in order for the weapon to be effective. This isn't the case with the laser, as you can get anyone from long or medium range with ease due to the huge reticle and zoom.

I don't find a situation where one side has a vehicle and the other side doesn't fun at all.

Yeah, I don't find that fun too, but that happens sometimes regardless of the laser.

It's incredibly unbalanced and that's why a weapon like the laser is needed.

As I said, there are more way to take out a vehicle than just the laser. Plus, there's no guarantee that if the other team is dominating with the vehicle the other team will have, or be able to get, the laser. What if one team has the laser and a vehicle? The other team doesn't have a chance in the least bit of fighting back because their best chance is a vehicle and that vehicle will be instantly crushed once it's put to use.

In the larger party game types, the vehicles respawn often and it isn't a harbringer of doom should you lose your vehicle not to mention you have enough people to spread the fight out.

I personally don't find that comforting. The knowledge that, riding in a vehicle, you can be killed instantly without having a chance to avoid death takes away some of the fun. I get in a vehicle to have fun and have some awesome vehicle battles, not to be killed from all the way across a map without having a chance of living.

But you have a ton more shots with a sniper rifle.

I don't see the point you're trying to make.

 

[Squall ASF]

And how do you plan on completing the task if the other team has lasers and vehicles. Assault Valhalla's hill and pray they screw up so hard that you grab the laser from out under them?


Tell that to the hundred of people I've aided in killing on Standoff. It's incredibly easy to avoid everything but the laser on Standoff.

There's a reason 2,533 of my total 3,011 wheelman kills are on Standoff.

Valhalla? Just use the sniper. You can either snipe the laser and then hop in vehicle while the sniper watches the laser or you can snipe the enemy hog and then go after the laser. Quite doable.

I'm sure you have aided in the destruction of thousands on such a run, most players aren't very good but if you play in the upper 40's against competent opponents, you'll find the hog far less useful. I have to stress competent opponents because there are plenty of people up in the 40's that were clearly boosted. That's not a knock on you or your teammates in any way, I'm just saying it's easy to take out hogs in that particular map on foot without a laser.

 

[Falt]

Nah, it's easy to take out the hog on foot on that map for the reasons I stated on my last post.

I'd disagree. A good driver and gunner can dominate on standoff, uncontested if their team holds laser. Laser is really the only weapon on the map that brings a definitive certainty to a hogs life. In the right hands of course.

 

[EazyB]

Nah, it's easy to take out the hog on foot on that map for the reasons I stated on my last post. Securing the laser on that map just increases your teammates hog life span and prevents the other team from making a vehicle run until they take you out or you've used up 5 shots. Most people I've seen get impatient and waste lasers on indivuals running around too.

It's obvious you're playing with scrubs then. If you want to make the argument that the laser is fine in a game full of level 15's then have at it. But against competent teams this is not the case. Most people don't know how to drive the warthog on Standoff, but if you do it right and keep your distance, you'll rarely ever get taken out. And with a competent person holding a laser and not wasting it, that person gets to take out the other team's on 5 times. Do you know how long it takens to go through 5 hogs, respawn the 6th and make a comeback?

If you're going to pick one map that the laser doesn't ruin, Standoff is the worst one you could've chosen.

Valhalla? Just use the sniper. You can either snipe the laser and then hop in vehicle while the sniper watches the laser or you can snipe the enemy hog and then go after the laser. Quite doable.

I'm sure you have aided in the destruction of thousands on such a run, most players aren't very good but if you play in the upper 40's against competent opponents, you'll find the hog far less useful. I have to stress competent opponents because there are plenty of people up in the 40's that were clearly boosted. That's not a knock on you or your teammates in any way, I'm just saying it's easy to take out hogs in that particular map on foot without a laser.

How often is the laser guy the only person on the hill and standing out in the open so that a sniper can continually keep people off the laser. Hogs are pretty much useless on Valhalla except for bypassing people on the hill, impossible with the other team controlling laser. But the banshee can rape.

 

[The Librarian]

Valhalla? Just use the sniper. You can either snipe the laser and then hop in vehicle while the sniper watches the laser or you can snipe the enemy hog and then go after the laser. Quite doable.

What if the sniper isn't available for quite some time? I mean, unless you are in a group of people whom you know, it's going to be hard convincing the entire team to stay in the base of Valhalla while you all wait for the sniper to spawn. Plus, there's a chance the other team will get the sniper on their side and take out your sniper before you take out the laser.

 

[Squall ASF]

There are a lot of ways to take out vehicles:
- Power Drain
- Trip Mine
- Charged Plasma Pistol
- Rockets
- Missile pod
- Turret
- Brute shot
- Gravity Hammer

There's a lot more ways to take down a vehicle than there were in Halo 2. Most of them require the the vehicle to be in a certain situation in order for the weapon to be effective. This isn't the case with the laser, as you can get anyone from long or medium range with ease due to the huge reticle and zoom.


Yeah, I don't find that fun too, but that happens sometimes regardless of the laser.

As I said, there are more way to take out a vehicle than just the laser. Plus, there's no guarantee that if the other team is dominating with the vehicle the other team will have, or be able to get, the laser. What if one team has the laser and a vehicle? The other team doesn't have a chance in the least bit of fighting back because their best chance is a vehicle and that vehicle will be instantly crushed once it's put to use.


I personally don't find that comforting. The knowledge that, riding in a vehicle, you can be killed instantly without having a chance to avoid death takes away some of the fun. I get in a vehicle to have fun and have some awesome vehicle battles, not to be killed from all the way across a map without having a chance of living.


I don't see the point you're trying to make.

Ofcourse there are other ways to take out a vehicle besides the laser but they are either A. Not on the map you're currently playing on or B. the vehicle stays back far enough to avoid all the weapons you've listed (besides the pod). I'm arguing that on a 4 vs 4 scenario, there NEEDS to be a weapon that will take out those vehicels without question. It's just to easy for the game to be unbalanced if there's a vehicle running loose in a small match.

It's not like you spawn with the laser, there is one and both teams have equal opportunity of acquiring it. If you grab it, you've earned using the vehicles and it's the other teams job to try and get it back. The point is that you at least have a chance. If you have one team with vehicles in a well spaced map without proper cover and there's no laser, the other team is screwed. Unless you have a sniper.

 

[Domino Theory]

I just finished The Library.

 

[Spasm]

I just finished The Library.

Love that level.

 

[Squall ASF]

It's obvious you're playing with scrubs then. If you want to make the argument that the laser is fine in a game full of level 15's then have at it. But against competent teams this is not the case. Most people don't know how to drive the warthog on Standoff, but if you do it right and keep your distance, you'll rarely ever get taken out. And with a competent person holding a laser and not wasting it, that person gets to take out the other team's on 5 times. Do you know how long it takens to go through 5 hogs, respawn the 6th and make a comeback?

If you're going to pick one map that the laser doesn't ruin, Standoff is the worst one you could've chosen.


How often is the laser guy the only person on the hill and standing out in the open so that a sniper can continually keep people off the laser. Hogs are pretty much useless on Valhalla except for bypassing people on the hill, impossible with the other team controlling laser. But the banshee can rape.

I was playing with scrubs, random scrubs. That's why I'm excited to play with you guys. It's not even a matter of playing with pro's, it's a matter of playing with people that work as a team. That to me is fun, win or lose. As for your comeback comment, I guess we're really arguing about how easy it is to take out a hog without a laser on Standoff. I promise you it's really easy to do no matter how skilled the driver. The camo does wonders. Even without camo, you can lure it near your base so long as you haven't already provided them with a healthy lead. Personally, I prioritize taking out the enemy hog right off the bat, laser or no.

 

[Falt]

I just finished The Library.

Love that level.

Same.

Why the sad face, Domino?

Edit: I should have stressed that if anything that's an achievement!

Spoiler

On Legendary, of course

 

[Squall ASF]

I'd disagree. A good driver and gunner can dominate on standoff, uncontested if their team holds laser. Laser is really the only weapon on the map that brings a definitive certainty to a hogs life. In the right hands of course.

Am I the only one that's destroyed many hogs with nades and rockets on this map? They are saving the laser for vehicles so it's easy to go out and do so. If they use lasers to prevent you from obtaining the rocket or get close to the hog, then they waste all the lasers and problem solved.

 

[EazyB]

Ofcourse there are other ways to take out a vehicle besides the laser but they are either A. Not on the map you're currently playing on or B. the vehicle stays back far enough to avoid all the weapons you've listed (besides the pod). I'm arguing that on a 4 vs 4 scenario, there NEEDS to be a weapon that will take out those vehicels without question. It's just to easy for the game to be unbalanced if there's a vehicle running loose in a small match.

It's not like you spawn with the laser, there is one and both teams have equal opportunity of acquiring it. If you grab it, you've earned using the vehicles and it's the other teams job to try and get it back. The point is that you at least have a chance. If you have one team with vehicles in a well spaced map without proper cover and there's no laser, the other team is screwed. Unless you have a sniper.

I don't get your argument at all. You're saying that the game isn't unbalanced once a team gets both laser and vehicle control but it's totally unbalanced to have one team with vehicle control while no one has the laser? If anything the laser only makes games more one-sided.

Once someone has the laser, they then have total vehicle control. It only makes it harder for the other team, not the other way around.

 

[The Librarian]

I'm arguing that on a 4 vs 4 scenario, there NEEDS to be a weapon that will take out those vehicels without question. It's just to easy for the game to be unbalanced if there's a vehicle running loose in a small match.

Then there needs to be some changes made to MM in order to compensate the needs of a laser. On Standoff, have missile pod spawn in the base. Give the team more options for taking out a vehicle that aren't cheap, and result from a combination of the driver's fault and the other player knowing when to use the weapon.

I see where you're coming from, but there are other alternatives that are less cheap and frustrating than the laser (at least for me).

It's not like you spawn with the laser, there is one and both teams have equal opportunity of acquiring it. If you grab it, you've earned using the vehicles and it's the other teams job to try and get it back.

I see where you're coming here, too, but I disagree with this notion of "you grab it, you earn it." There are a lot of factors that come into play when rushing for a certain weapon.

I just finished The Library.

Domino, I thought you were DONE with Halo: CE?:lol You're sure taking your sweet time.

Edit:

Am I the only one that's destroyed many hogs with nades and rockets on this map? They are saving the laser for vehicles so it's easy to go out and do so. If they use lasers to prevent you from obtaining the rocket or get close to the hog, then they waste all the lasers and problem solved.

I destroy vehicles with plasma grenades on Standoff all the time. However, we all don't spawn with plasma grenades. You have to be in the right place at the right time.

 

[Falt]

Am I the only one that's destroyed many hogs with nades and rockets on this map? They are saving the laser for vehicles so it's easy to go out and do so. If they use lasers to prevent you from obtaining the rocket or get close to the hog, then they waste all the lasers and problem solved.

I've done the same, countless times but as Eazy said, a competant hog crew can easily avoid threats on foot.

 

[Squall ASF]

I don't get your argument at all. You're saying that the game isn't unbalanced once a team gets both laser and vehicle control but it's totally unbalanced to have one team with vehicle control while no one has the laser? If anything the laser only makes games more one-sided.

Once someone has the laser, they then have total vehicle control. It only makes it harder for the other team, not the other way around.

Dax is making smarter arguments than you right now, you need to reevaluate things.

No, I'm stating that each team has equal opportunity to obtain the laser at the start of the match. You can fight for it and you have the chance to take it back if the other team obtains it. If there was no laser, and you're vehicle is destroyed, you are hosed the rest of the match without any chance in a map where the hog can stay out of your range and still nail you with the turret.

 

[Squall ASF]

I've done the same, countless times but as Eazy said, a competant hog crew can easily avoid threats on foot.

Hmm I guess that's where we disagree.

 

[Sibylus]

I really should give Halo CE another playthrough, it's been a while.

I just finished The Library.

I feel your pain, man.

 

[Captain Blood]

I really should give Halo CE another playthrough, it's been a while.


I feel your pain, man.

I nabbed it when it was on special over xbox live. It is sweet to just be able to boot it up whenever the mood strikes.

 

[Zzoram]

I nabbed it when it was on special over xbox live. It is sweet to just be able to boot it up whenever the mood strikes.

When was it on sale?

 

[Captain Blood]

When was it on sale?

It was probably 6 months or more I am not sure, but I want to say it was only 600 or 800 points.

 

[ant_]

Playing a Halo 2 BTB game on Coagulation. Forgot how much fun this game is.
Feels wayyyyy different than Halo 3.

 

[vhfive]

Hmm I guess that's where we disagree.

i'm with eazy on this one. you must never have experienced a good warthog driver on that map because that thing can destroy a team when they dont have laser. a good warthog driver will never drive up and around the back of the base (the best place to stay and stick a vehicle if your on the receiving team). he will sweep around camo then go through the middle to the other side by the launch pad (hopefully catching the people he just killed respawning). then go back to camo and repeat (occasionally sweeping in front of the base). mix it up s little as to not get into to much of a pattern but essentially thats what i do. obviously during a game you don't get concreted onto that strategy because different situations arise but that basically what i do. as long as you have laser and are careful about rockets you can often get a bunch of kills before you're taken down.

 

[Huttie0]

i'm with eazy on this one. you must never have experienced a good warthog driver on that map because that thing can destroy a team when they dont have laser. a good warthog driver will never drive up and around the back of the base (the best place to stay and stick a vehicle if your on the receiving team). he will sweep around camo then go through the middle to the other side by the launch pad (hopefully catching the people he just killed respawning). then go back to camo and repeat (occasionally sweeping in front of the base). mix it up s little as to not get into to much of a pattern but essentially thats what i do. obviously during a game you don't get concreted onto that strategy because different situations arise but that basically what i do. as long as you have laser and are careful about rockets you can often get a bunch of kills before you're taken down.

I usually take my passenger around the back once every five passes on Standoff. It mixes the play up a little bit and if your routine changes like that, nobody will be there to "anticipate a stick". Best I've had was a gunner going +50 with one death in a Big Team Slayer game.

Oh how my Xbox rating dropped after that match...

 

[Sibylus]

Anybody know the answer to zis question?

And I'm in Smells Like Napalm, Tastes Like Chicken. It's ok, but the sparsity of saving consoles can be a bit annoying, especially when I'm stuck with redoing a handful of rooms just to get back to where I was before I died. I take it I'll find more ammo for the fusion pistol as I go? (I'm kinda hesitant to use it before the space bits Leela has alluded to)

 

[Popeck]

When was it on sale?

Last Christmas, part of the Weekly Holiday Offers.

 

[Striker]

Playing a Halo 2 BTB game on Coagulation. Forgot how much fun this game is.
Feels wayyyyy different than Halo 3.

Coagulation feels great even with the wide open zones. No laser destroying everybody and vehicle in sight is a sight to see.

 

[Flipyap]

Am I the only one who really likes these?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2515/3773131750_118953cbf4_o.jpg

(Many hours and some "yes" replies too late but...)
Nope! I like them.
But I love the Blue Meanie Arbiter.

 

[Stormtrooper30]

No, I'm stating that each team has equal opportunity to obtain the laser at the start of the match. You can fight for it and you have the chance to take it back if the other team obtains it. If there was no laser, and you're vehicle is destroyed, you are hosed the rest of the match without any chance in a map where the hog can stay out of your range and still nail you with the turret.

Do you even hear yourself think? You're saying that each team has equal oppurtunity with the laser, but if there isn't a laser then the matches can become unfair? Last time I checked, each team spawned with the exact same number of vehicles and weapons at each base. Why the hell would it be unbalanced if there was no laser?

You say that if there was no laser and one team's hog was blown up, then that team would be at a disadvantage? That's about the same as one team controlling laser and a hog, only there is no laser so the other team has a chance to get out of the base and grab the next hog spawn.

The argument for the laser is just stupid. It's a filler weapon that serves no real purpose when you think of all the other things Bungie could have done.

Spoiler

srsly bungle, homing rocket needs to come bak. I don't want me no lazerz.

 

[neoism]

damn can't believe were already 3200 posts past 100k!

 

[Plywood]

damn can't believe were already 3200 posts past 100k!

It helps when you regurgitate the same arguments.

 

[Blueblur1]

damn can't believe were already 3200 posts past 100k!

Juniors.

 

[urk]

It helps when you regurgitate the same arguments.

No it doesn't.

 

[Huttie0]

Homing rockets ruined vehicles

 

[Numbers]

Vehicles ruined homing rockets

 

[MrDaravon]

No it doesn't.

How about now?

It "helps" when you regurgitate the same arguments.

 

[Devin Olsen]

No it doesn't.

 

[Plywood]

No it doesn't.

Dude whatever, the best weapon to spawn with on any map is the BR55HB SR Battle Rifle. Definitely not the MA5C ICWS Assault Rifle, you know this is true. This is FACT not opinion. We all know Shishka couldn't manage his way out of the fridge. We all know that homing rockets ruined vehicles and that spartan lasers ruin the value of the dollar. How Bungie throws a bunch of legos against a wall before building a map. That if anyone posts without an avatar they will be ignored. That anyone who doesn't call the sniper rifle the longshot rifle is talking about some fictional weapon that doesn't exist. The Wire is the greatest show to mankind and anyone who is catching up to LOST and sees a spoiler GIF deserves to be spoiled. Juices is always right even when he is wrong. THIS IS ALL FACT.

Spoiler

lol

 

[urk]

 

[kylej]

The Wire is the greatest show to mankind

yeah

this song is good too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4yQHic_HnE

 

[Stormtrooper30]

Dude whatever, the best weapon to spawn with on any map is the BR55HB SR Battle Rifle. Definitely not the MA5C ICWS Assault Rifle, you know this is true. This is FACT not opinion. We all know Shishka couldn't manage his way out of the fridge. We all know that homing rockets ruined vehicles and that spartan lasers ruin the value of the dollar. How Bungie throws a bunch of legos against a wall before building a map. That if anyone posts without an avatar they will be ignored. That anyone who doesn't call the sniper rifle the longshot rifle is talking about some fictional weapon that doesn't exist. The Wire is the greatest show to mankind and anyone who is catching up to LOST and sees a spoiler GIF deserves to be spoiled. Juices is always right even when he is wrong. THIS IS ALL FACT.

Spoiler

lol

I'd give this post a 3.65749332.

Devin Olsen knows where it's at. BEE ARG!

Now whenever we talk about weapons and maps and such, I always think about Eazy's HaloGAF list. It makes me want Halo 2 even moar.


Edit: BSG is the frakkin best.

 

[Plywood]

Did you guys not see the lol?

 

[gafster1]

Homing rockets ruined vehicles

Dodging rockets in the Banshee is pretty easy.

 

[Squall ASF]

Do you even hear yourself think? You're saying that each team has equal oppurtunity with the laser, but if there isn't a laser then the matches can become unfair? Last time I checked, each team spawned with the exact same number of vehicles and weapons at each base. Why the hell would it be unbalanced if there was no laser?

You say that if there was no laser and one team's hog was blown up, then that team would be at a disadvantage? That's about the same as one team controlling laser and a hog, only there is no laser so the other team has a chance to get out of the base and grab the next hog spawn.

The argument for the laser is just stupid. It's a filler weapon that serves no real purpose when you think of all the other things Bungie could have done.

Spoiler

srsly bungle, homing rocket needs to come bak. I don't want me no lazerz.

Hey, hey, no need to be rude. I was stating it's unbalanced without it because they can simply strafe around your base and destroy your vehicle over and over again, they rule the map without a decent opportunity for a comeback. The laser is insurance that allows you to negate such a one sided affair. With the laser, you still have the opportunity to snipe the laser wielder or if you're lucky, sneak over and obtain it to take out those pesky hogs. I was just trying to convey that the laser gives you a chance when you're being overrun by unruly warthogs. What I'd truly prefer, is ridding of vehicles in Team Slayer. I think vehicles are great fun and very appropriate for larger party games like Squad or BTB, hell, even put them in Social. I just don't think they fit well with 4 vs 4 death match. That, and I think wielding the laser is quite fun.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

I'm so fucking awful with the laser but I like its inclusion.

 

[Butane123]

I like going through multiple teammates with the laser to just kill one guy (happened last night on Valhalla)..... or, hitting a Warthog on Standoff when your team's warthog passes right behind it at the exact moment with the flag in the passenger seat.

Edit: Also, seems like people really like this map, Reflux (Atlus link)

 

[Striker]

Hey, hey, no need to be rude. I was stating it's unbalanced without it because they can simply strafe around your base and destroy your vehicle over and over again, they rule the map without a decent opportunity for a comeback. The laser is insurance that allows you to negate such a one sided affair. With the laser, you still have the opportunity to snipe the laser wielder or if you're lucky, sneak over and obtain it to take out those pesky hogs. I was just trying to convey that the laser gives you a chance when you're being overrun by unruly warthogs. What I'd truly prefer, is ridding of vehicles in Team Slayer. I think vehicles are great fun and very appropriate for larger party games like Squad or BTB, hell, even put them in Social. I just don't think they fit well with 4 vs 4 death match. That, and I think wielding the laser is quite fun.

You mean the laser-wielding partner is insurance for you to ride around in a vehicle with no worry of being blind-sided within seconds? At least with homing Rockets, a Warthog, Banshee, and Ghost could dodge a Rocket incoming. A laser only promotes an one-sided affair, and in my view, makes maps not very fun (see Standoff). Standoff without Laser? I have one in my File Share. I should use it in test sessions and attempt to submit it to ATLAS. But it won't take over Team Slayer's Standoff because.... well we all know why.

No, keep vehicles in maps like High Ground and Last Resort. In those maps, vehicles don't dominate; if a Ghost gets too hectic, there's room for cover and weapons to remove the vehicles around the map. Team Slayer shouldn't be on Valhalla 4v4 anyway. Remove that obscurity and battle on maps suited for 4v4 action. Make adjustments on maps appropriately for the team and game variant.

Butane,

I played Reflux in a test session the other day. Granted it was AR starts and had bad teammates, it's an ok map. Fairly easy to camp or dominate a team, though, it seems.

 

[vhfive]

most definetly best vehicle in the game after driving around on my map with numbers and butane there is no way i'm getting rid of those prowlers. in fact the number of prowlers might double and the number of warthogs drastically decrease.


look how sexy i am

omgz he has reconz

taken on the world

Spoiler

oh and bladed check pms

 

[Squall ASF]

You mean the laser-wielding partner is insurance for you to ride around in a vehicle with no worry of being blind-sided within seconds? At least with homing Rockets, a Warthog, Banshee, and Ghost could dodge a Rocket incoming. A laser only promotes an one-sided affair, and in my view, makes maps not very fun (see Standoff). Standoff without Laser? I have one in my File Share. I should use it in test sessions and attempt to submit it to ATLAS. But it won't take over Team Slayer's Standoff because.... well we all know why.

No, keep vehicles in maps like High Ground and Last Resort. In those maps, vehicles don't dominate; if a Ghost gets too hectic, there's room for cover and weapons to remove the vehicles around the map. Team Slayer shouldn't be on Valhalla 4v4 anyway. Remove that obscurity and battle on maps suited for 4v4 action. Make adjustments on maps appropriately for the team and game variant.

Butane,

I played Reflux in a test session the other day. Granted it was AR starts and had bad teammates, it's an ok map. Fairly easy to camp or dominate a team, though, it seems.

It seems most of my venting is rooted with jaded experiences with vehicles in Team Slayer on maps that don't suit such a thing. The vehicles in High Ground aren't a problem, ghosts do not take over a match. Last Resort is also structured in such a way that prevents vehicle control so I suppose I don't have a problem with that either. Valhalla does drive me banana sandwich on Slayer, but I don't mind it in Team Snipers. I guess I was just defending the laser because I think it's a fun weapon and I've never seen it control a map. Even on Standoff. I guess I've never played against a really competent driver as others on here are saying but I have a feeling I could take down a hog no matter their pattern on that map.

 

[Falt]

You guys are really putting a downer on my morning coffee.

Would this be a bad time to tell you fine fellas that I've never watched BSG, The Wire, Firefly, Lost and/or Bewitched?

look how sexy I am

That is pretty sexy.

 

[Nutter]

It seems most of my venting is rooted with jaded experiences with vehicles in Team Slayer on maps that don't suit such a thing. The vehicles in High Ground aren't a problem, ghosts do not take over a match. Last Resort is also structured in such a way that prevents vehicle control so I suppose I don't have a problem with that either. Valhalla does drive me banana sandwich on Slayer, but I don't mind it in Team Snipers. I guess I was just defending the laser because I think it's a fun weapon and I've never seen it control a map. Even on Standoff. I guess I've never played against a really competent driver as others on here are saying but I have a feeling I could take down a hog no matter their pattern on that map.

Im going to sound like a jerk.. but what are your rank/levels in Squad/Team Slayer, and what is your highest rank.

The reason I ask.. Like Eazy said earlier. I do not think you have played high level halo game. True skill might be just putting you up against the true definition of casual noobs. . Team Slayer on Valhalla is utterly destroyed and controlled by the laser. The team that has the laser will most likely have control of the middle hill. I have yet to see someone win a game where the other team had laser control on that map. Now for Standoff, the first minute of the game is spent on trying to control the damn laser by both teams; who ever controls it after the first skirmish in the middle usually ends of winning the game. Eazyb and I both and many other gaffers have been on both sides of the battle. When we control the laser at the start, so begins the warthog runs, their warthog will get destroyed everytime it comes back. When we do not control the laser the same thing happens to us.

The Warthog is a very special and important weapon these games (be it slayer, or objectve), but lets not kid ourselves. It only serves its full purpose if you are controlling the godmode weapon also known as the Spartan Laser. In all the games I have played of Halo 3, and I have played a ton, the team that controls the laser usually wins the match.