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Hey guys, back from a week-long hiatus and just got done catching up on everything.

Shishka said:
This is how threads get locked:

"I have this idea."
"I disagree with you."
"OMG YOU'RE STUPID."

If that's the best you can come up with in reply to even the simplest criticism, then you're probably not ready to use the Internet.
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This made me lol. It pretty much sums up what happens on Bnet all the time. Juices got Shishkowned.

Also, I remeber a few people talking about halo 2's/3's lifespan or somthing like that. I played 6,000 Halo 2 games and didn't put the game down until the night Halo 3 came out (when I had to leave at 7:00 to go stand in line). I've only played 2,600 games of Halo 3 so far. I plan on playing a lot more. Although I still play it, I don't play Halo 3 nearly as much as I used to play Halo 2. The only time I ever really play halo anymore is on GAF Customs Nights. I definately enjoyed Halo 2 much more.

Domino said:
LOL WHAT'S UP FINAL FUCKING FANTASY???
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Totally agree with this. People are complaining about how Bungie/Microsft is dealing with Halo games/DLC, but it's nothing compared to other games out there. FF games should have ended a decade ago.
 
Silly.Mikey said:
I think that leaving MS has made them $$ hungry. Or $$ needy. Why is it that Halo2's content is all free now, the first Halo3 maps are free and now all of a sudden, it's all stopped. What happened? MS decides that 5 years after launching Halo2, this was the time to put finally their foot down with Bungie?? Nevermind that Bungie has had they're way since 2004. Bull....Shit. Bungie can always get what it want, they just choose not to.

Instead, they'll make you buy a 60$ game in September in order to play 3 new H3 maps online and thus making the playlists even more difficult to play for people who dont own all maps. You'd think that they would release them for free, as a "thank you" for supporting our game for all these years, now heres 3 maps and a brand new game for you guys. Nope, pay pay pay, oh and you wanna play the game online? You have about 2-3 playlists you can enter without the maps, unless you buy our new game! :) Gee thanks.
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Im pretty sure Mt. Dew is a big reason those map packs were free, they sponsored it. Plus Halo 2 is almost 5 years old, why would they still cost money?
 
Silly.Mikey said:
I think that leaving MS has made them $$ hungry. Or $$ needy. Why is it that Halo2's content is all free now, the first Halo3 maps are free and now all of a sudden, it's all stopped. What happened? MS decides that 5 years after launching Halo2, this was the time to put finally their foot down with Bungie?? Nevermind that Bungie has had they're way since 2004. Bull....Shit. Bungie can always get what it want, they just choose not to.
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You really think Bungie is hurting for money? All of their games have been monumental successes and their next two games are guaranteed to sell millions.

And again, you recognize something one second and completely ignore it the next. I'm starting to think you might want to get yourself checked out.

"What happened?" Well look back to the first sentence of your post. Bungie left Microsoft. Microsoft's era of making billions off of Bungie's Halo releases is coming to an end. MS wants to make as much money on these last Halo releases as possible. They are probably also unhappy with Bungie wanting to split and thus handling Bungie's content as it benefits MS the most. Do you really think it was Bungie's decision to package the mythic maps with Halo Wars? It's obvious MS calls the shots when it comes to release dates and pricing. If they still owned MS they'd try to please Bungie more by giving them more control, but since they have a contractual obligation to make more games for MS, they're going to do as they please.


Silly.Mikey said:
Instead, they'll make you buy a 60$ game in September in order to play 3 new H3 maps online and thus making the playlists even more difficult to play for people who dont own all maps. You'd think that they would release them for free, as a "thank you" for supporting our game for all these years, now heres 3 maps and a brand new game for you guys. Nope, pay pay pay, oh and you wanna play the game online? You have about 2-3 playlists you can enter without the maps, unless you buy our new game! :) Gee thanks.
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MS says hi! But wait, whatever happened to that if Valve and EA can do it, Bungie can do it argument? I eagerly await your mind-blowing rebuttal.
 
BakedPigeon said:
Im pretty sure Mt. Dew is a big reason those map packs were free, they sponsored it. Plus Halo 2 is almost 5 years old, why would they still cost money?
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Yes but i played Halo2 regularly and it didn't take years for the maps to be free. As soon as a new pack came out, the last one would become free. Why is this stopped now? The first pack is free, why isnt legendary free now that heroic was released?

I don't think that asking them to keep up what they've been doing since 2004 is too much to ask for.
 
Silly.Mikey said:
Yes but i played Halo2 regularly and it didn't take years for the maps to be free. As soon as a new pack came out, the last one would become free. Why is this stopped now? The first pack is free, why isnt legendary free now that heroic was released?

I don't think that asking them to keep up what they've been doing since 2004 is too much to ask for.
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When someone responds to your post, its customary to read it before posting again.

GhaleonEB said:
It has the benefit of being reality. Microsoft controls the release of all content for Halo: the timing, the pricing, etc. I suspect Bungie would actually describe it as somewhat inconvenient.
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EazyB said:
Microsoft owns Halo, they own the 360, and they own marketplace. MS owns everything, they call the shots. And I'm sure they aren't happy about their #1 developer leaving them.
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EazyB said:
Microsoft's era of making billions off of Bungie's Halo releases is coming to an end. MS wants to make as much money on these last Halo releases as possible. They are probably also unhappy with Bungie wanting to split and thus handling Bungie's content as it benefits MS the most.
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Halo 3's DLC model has been a spectacular piece of shit, shameless moneygrab compared to the Halo 2 model. Whether it's Microsoft's decision to price it or not, Bungie made the dick decision to fuck everyone who didn't buy all the packs out of playing 75% of the playlists. Makes a lot of sense to punish your users for your inability to integrate DLC into your game competently.

Call of Duty 4 doesn't have any problems integrating their DLC in playlists and corralling users with and without content together. They managed to do it perfectly and didn't make a dent in their community parity like the way Halo 3 completely shatters their's now.

GM Bullfrog said:
And you sir are my first to the ignore list.
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There's nothing that increases the size of your e-peen more than declaring you're putting someone on your ignore list. There's nothing annoying about that at all.
 
If you can afford a hi-definition television, a copy of Halo 3, broadband internet, Xbox Live and a computer you can spend 10 goddamn dollars on maps twice a year jesus christ you welfare babies need to stop crying.
 
Silly.Mikey said:
I think that leaving MS has made them $$ hungry. Or $$ needy. Why is it that Halo2's content is all free now, the first Halo3 maps are free and now all of a sudden, it's all stopped. What happened? MS decides that 5 years after launching Halo2, this was the time to put finally their foot down with Bungie?? Nevermind that Bungie has had they're way since 2004. Bull....Shit. Bungie can always get what it want, they just choose not to.
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I would posit that the answer to those questions is quite simple... and two words:

Don Mattrick.
 
My problem isn't with the fact that the maps are free - it's a store, and you have to pay for things in a store. But when really irks me is the tightening of the playlists so that new players are blocked from playing the vast majority of online games without coughing up extra. When viewed in terms of ten bucks year it's great, but for the guy who just bought an Xbox and got Halo with it, it sucks that there's extra he has to lay down straight off the bat to play anything other than three quite limited playlists.
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
Halo 3's DLC model has been a spectacular piece of shit, shameless moneygrab compared to the Halo 2 model. Whether it's Microsoft's decision to price it or not, Bungie made the dick decision to fuck everyone who didn't buy all the packs out of playing 75% of the playlists. Makes a lot of sense to punish your users for your inability to integrate DLC into your game competently.

Call of Duty 4 doesn't have any problems integrating their DLC in playlists and corralling users with and without content together. They managed to do it perfectly and didn't make a dent in their community parity like the way Halo 3 completely shatters their's now.

There's nothing that increases the size of your e-peen more than declaring you're putting someone on your ignore list. There's nothing annoying about that at all.
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I think that Microsoft has a much larger influence on the playlist integration than some think. On one of the podcasts from last year, Shishka was asked why Cold Storage wasn't in any of the playlists a few months after it was released (for free), and his reply was that Microsoft ruled that it could only be integrated into playlists that were Legendary Required (which was a ten dollar premium at the time). So even then, it was apparent that Microsoft was dicating what they could and could not do with even their FREE content, which leads me to believe that Microsoft, in order to keep the cash flowing in with sales of Legendary, forced or in some way influenced the Bungie guys to make the Mythic integration much more aggressive than it was with Legendary.

As for Bungie not actually coming out and saying "Oh, this is a Microsoft decision" more often, they've always been very cagey about their relationship. The most confrontational thing out there, Harold Ryan's apology letter on the bnet front page last year, didn't even mention Microsoft by name, just as "our publisher." And you know, when you broker a deal to be set free from one of the most powerful fucking companies in the world, you have to make concessions. I have a feeling that Microsoft was getting more and more aggressive even when Bungie was still first-party, and this temporary spat of (forcedly) poor DLC management is just going to lead to a better handling of their future releases' content when they aren't in the constraints that the somewhat awkward relationship forces upon them now.

As for me, I'm just glad that we've gotten the ton of postrelease content that we have, even though the Mythic portion was delayed by such a huge timespan.

Next up, AR vs. BR.
 
Silly.Mikey said:
I think that leaving MS has made them $$ hungry. Or $$ needy. Why is it that Halo2's content is all free now, the first Halo3 maps are free and now all of a sudden, it's all stopped. What happened? MS decides that 5 years after launching Halo2, this was the time to put finally their foot down with Bungie?? Nevermind that Bungie has had they're way since 2004. Bull....Shit. Bungie can always get what it want, they just choose not to.

Instead, they'll make you buy a 60$ game in September in order to play 3 new H3 maps online and thus making the playlists even more difficult to play for people who dont own all maps. You'd think that they would release them for free, as a "thank you" for supporting our game for all these years, now heres 3 maps and a brand new game for you guys. Nope, pay pay pay, oh and you wanna play the game online? You have about 2-3 playlists you can enter without the maps, unless you buy our new game! :) Gee thanks.
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get a job :lol It's 30 bucks for all the maps. jesus.

edit: holy crap it's 17.50 for all 10 maps oh my god.

trolling aside, I wonder how much Bungie could do if they really put their foot down with MS and said "we wanna release these maps for free bro >:|".
 
Well honestly, if I just bought a game and saw that I had to pay $18 extra to get the rest of multiplayer there is no way I would pay the money but since I've had Halo 3 since its launch I have no issues paying.
 
kylej said:
If you can afford a hi-definition television, a copy of Halo 3, broadband internet, Xbox Live and a computer you can spend 10 goddamn dollars on maps twice a year jesus christ you welfare babies need to stop crying.
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:lol

<3
 
GM Bullfrog said:
Let us also not forget that Bungie GAVE AWAY countless codes for the Mythic maps. That is something they didn't have to do.
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Edit: Whoops, mistook you for someone else. My bad.

Oh and:
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where are you people getting '2-3 non-paid playlists' from? is intellectual honesty too much to ask for?

if a self-described casual player can't get by on FIVE playlists - free for all, 5v5 slayer, 5v5 objective, 6v6 mixed, and 4v4 mixed - then I don't knwo what to tell you. if you're so into the game that this isnt enough, $17 to round out your options on a game that's easily available for less than half of original retail should not be a huge problem either.

your heads would explode if you tried to play burnout paradise.
 
Isn't one of the free playlists Social Slayer? That's like the best playlist there is social wise, I fail to see why so much moaning is going on.
 
AnEternalEnigma said:
Halo 3's DLC model has been a spectacular piece of shit, shameless moneygrab compared to the Halo 2 model. Whether it's Microsoft's decision to price it or not, Bungie made the dick decision to fuck everyone who didn't buy all the packs out of playing 75% of the playlists. Makes a lot of sense to punish your users for your inability to integrate DLC into your game competently.

Call of Duty 4 doesn't have any problems integrating their DLC in playlists and corralling users with and without content together. They managed to do it perfectly and didn't make a dent in their community parity like the way Halo 3 completely shatters their's now.



There's nothing that increases the size of your e-peen more than declaring you're putting someone on your ignore list. There's nothing annoying about that at all.
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If I had to guess I would say that Silly.Mikey is your new Gaf alt so that you will have a poster to agree with your belligerent tirades.
 
Ramirez said:
Isn't one of the free playlists Social Slayer? That's like the best playlist there is social wise, I fail to see why so much moaning is going on.
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Correct.

Domino Theory said:
Edit: Whoops, mistook you for someone else. My bad.

Oh and:
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Forgot to add "Prepare to Drop."

*Luke laughs*
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kylej said:
If you can afford a hi-definition television, a copy of Halo 3, broadband internet, Xbox Live and a computer you can spend 10 goddamn dollars on maps twice a year jesus christ you welfare babies need to stop crying.
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This. Someone should just post this in big ass letters when people come in here complaining about the maps. I mean, every month we get more and more people coming in here that complain about how "greedy Bungie is"/"Why can't it be like CoD/GoW?"/I already bought the game, I has no monies..."
 
Narpas Sword0 said:
where are you people getting '2-3 non-paid playlists' from? is intellectual honesty too much to ask for?

if a self-described casual player can't get by on FIVE playlists - free for all, 5v5 slayer, 5v5 objective, 6v6 mixed, and 4v4 mixed - then I don't knwo what to tell you. if you're so into the game that this isnt enough, $17 to round out your options on a game that's easily available for less than half of original retail should not be a huge problem either.

your heads would explode if you tried to play burnout paradise.
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yeah basically this too.
 
everyone stop bitching and watch this montage.

it passes the vhfive montage test, which is:
does it have shitty linkin park music?

no it actually has good music.
the first song is alright but the second song is fucking awesome

anyways it has good editing and is pretty impressive.

someone messaged me it on bnet because sanctum is in it, if only very briefly. check around 6:30
 
vhfive said:
everyone stop bitching and watch this montage.

it passes the vhfive montage test, which is:
does it have shitty linkin park music?

no it actually has good music.
the first song is alright but the second song is fucking awesome

anyways it has good editing and is pretty impressive.

someone messaged me it on bnet because sanctum is in it, if only very briefly. check around 6:30
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Nice Link...

:p
 
Willeth said:
My problem isn't with the fact that the maps are free - it's a store, and you have to pay for things in a store. But when really irks me is the tightening of the playlists so that new players are blocked from playing the vast majority of online games without coughing up extra. When viewed in terms of ten bucks year it's great, but for the guy who just bought an Xbox and got Halo with it, it sucks that there's extra he has to lay down straight off the bat to play anything other than three quite limited playlists.
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What about those of us who did pay that extra thirty bucks? We want to play our new fucking maps sometime instead of being limited to the same vanilla maps we've had for almost two years now.
 
I tried it once in a custom and it shot right by the home base door. Awesome stuff.
not really :\

Played two games of Actionsack, and got Team Splasers in Assembly and Stab-Out in "SWAT Stop". -________-
 
kylej said:
If you can afford a hi-definition television, a copy of Halo 3, broadband internet, Xbox Live and a computer you can spend 10 goddamn dollars on maps twice a year jesus christ you welfare babies need to stop crying.
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Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is also worth the cost.

I realize your venom most likely isn't directed toward myself, but I'm making the point anyway. Crudely equating cost with value undermines your words. This isn't about money. This is about value. Microsoft's witless DLC policies devalue everything they touch, special cases of meddling such as with these maps sink the value even further. I'm not comfortable with such a purchase, be contented in yours.
 
The thing is theres two completely DIFFERENT topics to argue about.

1. The maps costing money
2. The playlists requiring said maps

I'm OK with #1, I'm not OK with #2. But if you own the maps you should be getting them in MM via a better system regardless so point 2 SHOULD be irrelevant, yet it isn't.

Really the money is nothing, but my friends (who are typical "casual players") who rarely get on just wanted to play some Team Slayer (thats what they loved in H2), thats the most basic playlist yet they couldn't enter it. How do they know they do or do not want to buy the maps? they cant test them, they cant play them, hell they can't even see them unless they visit Bungie.net which they don't.

Not only that but ODST is coming out so soon, even a lot of the casual players will be getting that which has all the maps so even if they wanted to buy them now they'd basically be buying them twice in such a short time frame that they would expect ODST to release with a not full game price-tag and would make them even more furious. Thats actually coming from the two kids I played with two nights ago.

And with that I'm done with the topic until the next page when someone else brings it up again.
 
Botolf said:
Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is also worth the cost.

I realize your venom most likely isn't directed toward myself, but I'm making the point anyway. Crudely equating cost with value undermines your words. This isn't about money. This is about value. Microsoft's witless DLC policies devalue everything they touch, special cases of meddling such as with these maps sink the value even further. I'm not comfortable with such a purchase, be contented in yours.
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What Microsoft DLC policies other than them putting a price on Halo maps (they funded Halo 3 and the maps) do you have issue with?
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Really the money is nothing, but my friends (who are typical "casual players") who rarely get on just wanted to play some Team Slayer (thats what they loved in H2), thats the most basic playlist yet they couldn't enter it. How do they know they do or do not want to buy the maps? they cant test them, they cant play them, hell they can't even see them unless they visit Bungie.net which they don't.

Not only that but ODST is coming out so soon, even a lot of the casual players will be getting that which has all the maps so even if they wanted to buy them now they'd basically be buying them twice in such a short time frame that they would expect ODST to release with a not full game price-tag and would make them even more furious. Thats actually coming from the two kids I played with two nights ago.

And with that I'm done with the topic until the next page when someone else brings it up again.
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This is where I'm at also. It's a pretty meh situation. I see now that this is coming out late September so I'll definitely be picking up ODST then, but the thought of jumping back in now seems kind of corny with the limitations in place.
 
xxjuicesxx said:
The thing is theres two completely DIFFERENT topics to argue about.

1. The maps costing money
2. The playlists requiring said maps

I'm OK with #1, I'm not OK with #2. But if you own the maps you should be getting them in MM via a better system regardless so point 2 SHOULD be irrelevant, yet it isn't.

Really the money is nothing, but my friends (who are typical "casual players") who rarely get on just wanted to play some Team Slayer (thats what they loved in H2), thats the most basic playlist yet they couldn't enter it. How do they know they do or do not want to buy the maps? they cant test them, they cant play them, hell they can't even see them unless they visit Bungie.net which they don't.

Not only that but ODST is coming out so soon, even a lot of the casual players will be getting that which has all the maps so even if they wanted to buy them now they'd basically be buying them twice in such a short time frame that they would expect ODST to release with a not full game price-tag and would make them even more furious. Thats actually coming from the two kids I played with two nights ago.

And with that I'm done with the topic until the next page when someone else brings it up again.
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Why didn't you just let them play social slayer? Same thing.
 
Ramirez said:
Why didn't you just let them play social slayer? Same thing.
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Meh 5v5, guests, not ranked, some odd gametypes thrown in, list goes on.

Honestly they used to play Halo and be at a solid level and they wanted to start working their way back up, they actually said they'd like to get back into Halo. So we played Squad, and that worked well.

Not the same at all.
 
Domino Theory said:
163 employees? They're getting close to Rare's body count.
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If they hit the magical number, they will drop most conventional games, switch to copying Nintendo ideas and Waggle-free waggling software and occasionally release children's games and randomly stick existing IP's on any new game ideas they poop out.

Bungie, start down sizing!
 
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