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Tashi0106 said:
Moarrr cheeterzzz....

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1207178123&player=NYSTOFMIND23

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1207154009&player=NYSTOFMIND23

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1207020301&player=NYSTOFMIND23

Instant red bar and black screens. I quit out of most of the matches I get cheated against now.
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Stop playing MLG with a full team of 4's and see if the cheating still continues. Apparently all the cheaters like to party up to rank so they will always be in a full party.
 
idoprime said:
Stop playing MLG with a full team of 4's and see if the cheating still continues. Apparently all the cheaters like to party up to rank so they will always be in a full party.
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I have and it's almost non existent. What I think is happening is that fuckin douche bags are recruiting these cheaters to level their accounts up and/or the cheaters are leveling up their own accounts to try to sell them. I think banning xboxes, not just accounts, and banning the people who use the cheaters services should have their accounts banned. I think things like that will get people to stop due to word of mouth. Hit them hard and hit a lot of them all at once. These cheaters think they're like "fighting the good fight". Going against the corporate machine or some shit. "Halo 3 sucks so I cheat" Stupid shit like that. I can't wait until CoD6, I hope a bunch of these douche bags move over to that game. It's really infuriating.
 
So I booted up Halo 3 last night for the first time in over a year... Why do I need to BUY map packs in order to play certain game modes online?

I can't play big team battles with Halo 3 vanilla? This is just retarded!
 
Bamihap said:
So I booted up Halo 3 last night for the first time in over a year... Why do I need to BUY map packs in order to play certain game modes online?

I can't play big team battles with Halo 3 vanilla? This is just retarded!
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This has been discussed many times in this thread, and it's likely that lots of people are going to comment on it today. The main reason for the current playlist situation is that the fans who have been playing continuously since Halo 3's release want to play the newest maps once they come out. If the maps weren't required for the playlists, the people that have bought the maps would be just as disappointed as you are now since they can't play the maps that they paid for. It's a pretty frustrating situation for the fans and Bungie alike, but it's unlikely to get any better until ODST is released (since it will contain all of the maps on the separate multiplayer disc).

Be sure to download the Heroic map pack and Cold Storage, though, since those are free. If you want to play something similar to Big Team Battle, you should be able to get into the Squad Battle, Social Slayer and Social Skirmish playlists. More information about the playlists here.
 
Yea I went on last night and 2 of my friends who NEVER play Halo were on, they saw they had to buy the maps to play in most playlists and were pissed. We ended up playing Squad Battle, and of course we all switched to cats because well thats what we do. Mind you these kids are very very new and like legit level 15's But oh, whats that a party as a party of 3 who'd we get matched up against, thats right SIX CATS. A group of SIX FUCKING CATS. What do we get matched up against next game, thats right FOUR DAMN UNICORNS.

Seriously WTF!?
 
Brainboy said:
This has been discussed many times in this thread, and it's likely that lots of people are going to comment on it today. The main reason for the current playlist situation is that the fans who have been playing continuously since Halo 3's release want to play the newest maps once they come out. If the maps weren't required for the playlists, the people that have bought the maps would be just as disappointed as you are now since they can't play the maps that they paid for. It's a pretty frustrating situation for the fans and Bungie alike, but it's unlikely to get any better until ODST is released (since it will contain all of the maps on the separate multiplayer disc).

Be sure to download the Heroic map pack and Cold Storage, though, since those are free. If you want to play something similar to Big Team Battle, you should be able to get into the Squad Battle, Social Slayer and Social Skirmish playlists. More information about the playlists here.
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Maybe on july 7th (bungie day?) the map packs will be free.
 
Brainboy said:
This has been discussed many times in this thread, and it's likely that lots of people are going to comment on it today. The main reason for the current playlist situation is that the fans who have been playing continuously since Halo 3's release want to play the newest maps once they come out. If the maps weren't required for the playlists, the people that have bought the maps would be just as disappointed as you are now since they can't play the maps that they paid for. It's a pretty frustrating situation for the fans and Bungie alike, but it's unlikely to get any better until ODST is released (since it will contain all of the maps on the separate multiplayer disc).
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And why exactly can't they use the CoD4 system?
 
Brainboy said:
What is that, then? I haven't played CoD4 since the first maps were released, really.
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Simple: if you haven't got the map packs you can play every mode on every map you have. Same goes with people who've got the map packs.

Same should be true with Halo 3. This is just bullshit.
 
Bamihap said:
Simple: if you haven't got the map packs you can play every mode on every map you have. Same goes with people who've got the map packs.
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So, it matches people up with others that have the maps and for those that don't have the maps, it matches it up with others that don't have the maps?

That's how it works in playlists that don't require all DLC. If all the players have the DLC map, it'll have a chance of appearing for that match. Problem is, this way, the maps are few and far in between, so that's kind of unfair for those that have bought the maps.
 
Dax01 said:
So, it matches people up with others that have the maps and for those that don't have the maps, it matches it up with others that don't have the maps?

That's how it works in playlists that don't require all DLC. If all the players have the DLC map, it'll have a chance of appearing for that match. Problem is, this way, the maps are few and far in between, so that's kind of unfair for those that have bought the maps.
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Then they should add more playlists.

Bungie decided to scatter the community. And now they don't care about people who've only bought the game. It's just sad.
 
Dax01 said:
So, it matches people up with others that have the maps and for those that don't have the maps, it matches it up with others that don't have the maps?

That's how it works in playlists that don't require all DLC. If all the players have the DLC map, it'll have a chance of appearing for that match. Problem is, this way, the maps are few and far in between, so that's kind of unfair for those that have bought the maps.
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Then you add map exclusive playlists and add weight to the chances of playing with other map buyers.

I guess I'll have to wait until ODST comes out to really play Halo...but by then I might just move on to MW2 like everyone else.

Does anyone know of the ODST weapons will be in Halo 3 multiplayer? A separate playlist perhaps?
 
Bamihap said:
Then they should add more playlists.

Bungie decided to scatter the community. And now they don't care about people who've only bought the game. It's just sad.
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You complain about Bungie "scattering" the community, but you want there to be more playlists? Bungie have always strategically decided to combine playlists, delete playlists, etc. to keep populations high (and thus matchmaking times low).

Also, you might not know this, but if Bungie had their way, the Legendary maps would be free by now, and all six of the Mythic maps (the three already released, and the three coming with ODST) would be available to buy (perhaps even free by now - the maps were done some time last year). Unfortunately Microsoft have kept the Legendary maps from going free (which makes sense considering they are still selling well) and delayed the Mythic maps.

Dark FaZe said:
Does anyone know of the ODST weapons will be in Halo 3 multiplayer? A separate playlist perhaps?
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No, they won't be. All the feature changes involved with playing as an ODST are restricted to the campaign and Firefight. The multiplayer (which is on a separate disc) is the same as in Halo 3, except that it contains all the maps released so far, plus three new ones.
 
Dark FaZe said:
Then you add map exclusive playlists and add weight to the chances of playing with other map buyers.
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So you want two Team Slayer playlists?

I guess I'll have to wait until ODST comes out to really play Halo...but by then I might just move on to MW2 like everyone else.
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Speak for yourself.

Bamihap said:
Then they should add more playlists.
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More playlists for those who don't have the maps? Like what? For anyone that doesn't have the maps, it's likely that...
1. they don't play regularly, hence playlists like Social Slayer and Social Skirmish that don't require the maps
2. they're new to the game, hence playlists like Social Slayer, Social Skirmish, and Basic Training.
 
Yea really the MM service should be starting games using the new maps, and only allows other new map having players into that game mathcup eventually getting 8 or however many players (with the maps) in that game, thus allowing players that have the maps the equal percentages of new to used maps showing up. And the players who don't have the maps just wouldn't be able to connect to the players that have the new maps, WHEN BEING PLACED IN A GAME USING A NEW MAP. Otherwise they will be able to connect, thus not TRUELY splitting up the population all in ONE playlist.

Why thats not common fucking sense is BEYOND me.

Basically have whoever starts the game up in MM have the map already selected if its a new map only allow new map having players to connect, if its an old or free map allow EVERYONE to connect.

For the next game of course, probably not possible to implement now.

But seriously requiring maps that cost money is the lamest shit I've ever seen in video games.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Bungie has said many, many times that they don't control pricing for Halo 3's content (nor ODST). They can't even release content when it is done - the maps shipping with ODST were done early fall last year. Microsoft pushed them to ODST in order to increase the value (and price). They've been pretty clear about all of that in their site, podcasts and interviews, though usually it's worded diplomatically. I think Falagard hit the nail on the head with regard to the map pricing strategy earlier.

From Microsoft's perspective, it makes sense not to allow the maps to go free. Bungie said a few months ago that 5,000 copies of Legendary are purchased every day, a full year after they came out. That's $7.50 x 5,000 = $37,500 per day, x 30 = $1.125m per month. Money they'd give up if they let the maps go free. Not sure how much Bungie gets of that.

I was describing the situation to a new visitor so he would 1) know not to expect the content to ever go free, and thus inform any purchase decision, and 2) inform him who was responsible for that decision. It's a pretty logical call on Microsoft's part, given Halo's popularity. I don't blame MS for doing so; they're not running a charity here. My intent was to describe who's pulling the strings, not hate on them for doing so.

It does put Bungie in a hard situation, though. And from the perspective of anyone in the active Halo 3 community, it sucked very hard, because it's constrained how Bungie could integrate the maps into matchmaking. They just this month bit the bullet and made Mythic required on many of the playlists, to my delight and the delight of most who own the maps. Newcomers who don't are less happy, of course.

Which is why I was letting him know what's up.
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It certainly is important to let newbies know what they are jumping into now, as things have become somewhat more complicated over time. I wasn't questioning the purpose of the post, just some of the commentary.

It just always struck me as convenient that Bungie can get all the love and blame all the evil money grubbing on someone else. Of course doubt doesn't make it untrue, it's not a stretch to think Microsoft would do that, but without Bungie ever saying 'these maps would be free if it was up to us' they're sorta have the best of both worlds. Everyone thinks that they would have done things differently, without them actually saying it.

I suppose it's clear that it's Microsoft's decision in regards to pricing, release schedule, etc. etc., but Bungie hasn't condemned it. Although one could say their decision to leave Microsoft Gaming Studios is a bit of a statement. I guess I would just like them to say plainly that they disagreed strongly with the way things were handled, and would have done it differently if it was up to them. Just them saying 'it wasn't up to us' makes me worry. As you say, $1.125 million a month. That may tempt some into 'reevaluating' their DLC philosophy.

But I get my maps as a bonus come ODST at least I guess. As an aside, I always disliked how Horde mode used straight up multiplayer maps. I much prefer the (apparent) setup in Firefight with the team sort of hunkering down in a defensible position. Also, Halo = better single player sandbox.
 
It just always struck me as convenient that Bungie can get all the love and blame all the evil money grubbing on someone else.
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It has the benefit of being reality. Microsoft controls the release of all content for Halo: the timing, the pricing, etc. I suspect Bungie would actually describe it as somewhat inconvenient.
 
GhaleonEB said:
It has the benefit of being reality. Microsoft controls the release of all content for Halo: the timing, the pricing, etc. I suspect Bungie would actually describe it as somewhat inconvenient.
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What I'm getting at though is that IF they liked how things turned out, with the huge sales etc, they have the luxury of someone else taking the heat for all the bad stuff.
 
I know many here would agree that MS holding up the mythic maps for Halo Wars and delaying the other three maps for the release of ODST to be unfair and stupid, but I also think what would it be like if things had played out differently.

The MMP and the three new maps coming with ODST have been done since early last fall, correct? Say MS released three of the maps in December of last year and followed up with the last three in April or May of this year. We wouldn't be having anything to look forward to in regards to new content for Halo 3.

I'm just wondering if it's better this way, knowing how much we'll get in both situations: extending the life of a game by delaying the release of its DLC as long as possible, or just release them on a consistent basis. Now, I'm not saying I agree with MS's decision or anything, it's just that, had things played out differently, by now we probably wouldn't have anything to be excited about when it comes to new content for Halo 3.
 
PedroLumpy said:
What I'm getting at though is that IF they liked how things turned out, with the huge sales etc, they have the luxury of someone else taking the heat for all the bad stuff.
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Well, yeah. But I was trying to avoid such speculation and stick with the facts. We also don't know how much money Bungie makes off their DLC. (I'm guessing not much, but again - I don't know.)

The real test will be when Bungie breaks free of their current publisher and their new IP comes out, and we see how they handle DLC and post-release support. I suspect it will look very different from what's happened with Halo 3.
 
Tashi0106 said:
For those who don't wanna buy the new maps, I suggest MLG. Only the Heroic Map Pack is required (FREE).
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But then again, usually it's the casual players who don't have the maps, and MLG might be a little too much for them.
 
Dax01 said:
I know many here would agree that MS holding up the mythic maps for Halo Wars and delaying the other three maps for the release of ODST to be unfair and stupid, but I also think what would it be like if things had played out differently.

The MMP and the three new maps coming with ODST have been done since early last fall, correct? Say MS released three of the maps in December of last year and followed up with the last three in April or May of this year. We wouldn't be having anything to look forward to in regards to new content for Halo 3.

I'm just wondering if it's better this way, knowing how much we'll get in both situations: extending the life of a game by delaying the release of its DLC as long as possible, or just release them on a consistent basis. Now, I'm not saying I agree with MS's decision or anything, it's just that, had things played out differently, by now we probably wouldn't have anything to be excited about when it comes to new content for Halo 3.
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I don't think I'm alone in saying that this whole scheduling thing is handily killing any interest I might have in multiplayer. I wouldn't care if there was nothing to look forward to, we'd have the content when we were supposed to and the game would have been better for it. Terrific mismanagement by whatever party made the final call (all signs point to MS).

Hopefully Bungie discards the "make 'em bend over, and often" philosophy of its former master.
 
A Penguin said:
But then again, usually it's the casual players who don't have the maps, and MLG might be a little too much for them.
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:(

Sadly, you're right. If they started Halo 3 again and played MLG, they might never comeback hahaha.

Also, I'm not moving onto Call of Duty like "everyone else"
 
GhaleonEB said:
Well, yeah. But I was trying to avoid such speculation and stick with the facts. We also don't know how much money Bungie makes off their DLC. (I'm guessing not much, but again - I don't know.)
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Yeah, I don't like speculation either, but I feel there's speculation in assuming either direction. Anyway, I suspect they make it's distressingly little off of DLC as well, but who knows.

GhaleonEB said:
The real test will be when Bungie breaks free of their current publisher and their new IP comes out, and we see how they handle DLC and post-release support. I suspect it will look very different from what's happened with Halo 3.
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Indeed, actions speak louder than words. I hope they will too, despite Microsoft's success with the current model.

Tashi0106 said:
Also, I'm not moving onto Call of Duty like "everyone else"
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If I recall correctly the Xbox live population list thingy went back and forth between them until World at War came out? Certainly not everyone.
 
I agree that being forced to buy DLC just to play the same game that you would have been able to play at launch is just bullshit. Which is why I'm getting rid of the game and not getting ODST. This is just absurd. Modern Warfare 2 comes out in a few months and I'll have a hell of a lot more fun with that and I won't be forced to spend more money than what I payed for the game. Fuck Bungie. They're just milking the franchise now anyway so I don't see any reason to keep playing.
 
Tashi0106 said:
Also, I'm not moving onto Call of Duty like "everyone else"
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I'm definitely getting MW2, but my first MM love will always belong to Halo Triple.

bigcheese said:
I agree that being forced to buy DLC just to play the same game that you would have been able to play at launch is just bullshit. Which is why I'm getting rid of the game and not getting ODST. This is just absurd. Modern Warfare 2 comes out in a few months and I'll have a hell of a lot more fun with that and I won't be forced to spend more money than what I payed for the game. Fuck Bungie. They're just milking the franchise now anyway so I don't see any reason to keep playing.
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A few months is five months?
 
bigcheese said:
I agree that being forced to buy DLC just to play the same game that you would have been able to play at launch is just bullshit. Which is why I'm getting rid of the game and not getting ODST. This is just absurd. Modern Warfare 2 comes out in a few months and I'll have a hell of a lot more fun with that and I won't be forced to spend more money than what I payed for the game. Fuck Bungie. They're just milking the franchise now anyway so I don't see any reason to keep playing.
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Okay, thanks for sharing. Make sure you close the door on the way out, the air conditioning is on.
 
bigcheese said:
I agree that being forced to buy DLC just to play the same game that you would have been able to play at launch is just bullshit. Which is why I'm getting rid of the game and not getting ODST. This is just absurd. Modern Warfare 2 comes out in a few months and I'll have a hell of a lot more fun with that and I won't be forced to spend more money than what I payed for the game. Fuck Bungie. They're just milking the franchise now anyway so I don't see any reason to keep playing.
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PREACH IT!
 
bigcheese said:
I agree that being forced to buy DLC just to play the same game that you would have been able to play at launch is just bullshit. Which is why I'm getting rid of the game and not getting ODST. This is just absurd. Modern Warfare 2 comes out in a few months and I'll have a hell of a lot more fun with that and I won't be forced to spend more money than what I payed for the game. Fuck Bungie. They're just milking the franchise now anyway so I don't see any reason to keep playing.
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LOL WHAT'S UP FINAL FUCKING FANTASY???
 
PedroLumpy said:
It just always struck me as convenient that Bungie can get all the love and blame all the evil money grubbing on someone else. Of course doubt doesn't make it untrue, it's not a stretch to think Microsoft would do that, but without Bungie ever saying 'these maps would be free if it was up to us' they're sorta have the best of both worlds. Everyone thinks that they would have done things differently, without them actually saying it.
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You make some decent observations but here's the problem. Outside of those most diligently following the MS/Bungie relationship, everyone else thinks things are directly controlled by Bungie. Most people that have and will jump in here to complain about the new playlist restrictions think it's Bungie's doing and those are the gamers you post on message boards, think about those that don't even do that but only pop in Halo every other weekend. Regardless of who's pulling the strings (I for one believe MS is dictating the majority of this), Bungie has lost a lot of mind share amongst gamers.

I would guess that the MS/Bungie relationship is somewhat volatile and an attempt to make these decisions transparent and calling out MS would only further hurt Bungie's relationship to the publisher of their next two games.
 
EazyB said:
You make some decent observations but here's the problem. Outside of those most diligently following the MS/Bungie relationship, everyone else thinks things are directly controlled by Bungie. Most people that have and will jump in here to complain about the new playlist restrictions think it's Bungie's doing and those are the gamers you post on message boards, think about those that don't even do that but only pop in Halo every other weekend. Regardless of who's pulling the strings (I for one believe MS is dictating the majority of this), Bungie has lost a lot of mind share amongst gamers.
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That is a good point, the casual player most likely wonders why Bungie isn't making their maps free like last time. Thus they most likely hold Bungie (Or "Those guys who made Halo") responsible irregardless of the reality of the situation. So Bungie takes some backlash anyway.

That would lead to the question of what does the casual player do then? The sales of the maps would seem to suggest that a great deal went ahead and bought the maps anyway, hopefully a sign that most did not rage quit Halo on account of Microsoft's decision. Anecdotally that would appear to be the case for me, the few nonGAFHardcore gamers I know who play went and bought the map, unaware of the larger situation.


As for newbies running into the thread all cranky and shit .......
While Microsoft is responsible for the pricing and scheduling of the maps, Bungie is still at least somewhat responsible for the playlist restrictions. Bungie was certainly put into a situation not of their choosing by Microsoft's map strategy, but it's still mostly Bungie's choice on how to deal with it. While bigcheese is obviously needlessly dramatic, insulting, trollish, and egocentric, he is partially correct in blaming Bungie for the playlist restrictions that irk him so.
 
PedroLumpy said:
While Microsoft is responsible for the pricing and scheduling of the maps, Bungie is still at least somewhat responsible for the playlist restrictions. Bungie was certainly put into a situation not of their choosing by Microsoft's map strategy, but it's still mostly Bungie's choice on how to deal with it.
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From what I know and have heard, this situation is also unclear. As was explicitly detailed last summer, Cold Storage's MM implementation was dictated by MS. In order to allow Bungie to release it for free, MS made restricted them to putting the map only in playlists that required the legendary map pack. So while people could still get the map for free, they had to have paid for the Legendary map pack in order to really play on that "free" map.

I also heard, shortly after the mythic maps came out, that MS was really pushing Bungie to implement the maps sooner than later. It's obvious that the sales of all the map packs will dwindle to a trickle once ODST comes out as everyone will already have the maps. So the last opportunity to sell the maps on marketplace is this summer. The mythic map integration was unprecedentedly quick and unless it represents a new DLC philosophy within Bungie, reeks of trying to get a few more bucks from Halo fans before we resell the same people these maps with ODST.

So while the the playlist integration is less clear than the content release dates and pricing; it's still up for argument who's really behind this. Like Ghaleon said, we'll probably have to wait until Bungie's new IP (2012 Believe!) before we can really judge how Bungie runs things without being man-handled.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Well, yeah. But I was trying to avoid such speculation and stick with the facts. We also don't know how much money Bungie makes off their DLC. (I'm guessing not much, but again - I don't know.)

The real test will be when Bungie breaks free of their current publisher and their new IP comes out, and we see how they handle DLC and post-release support. I suspect it will look very different from what's happened with Halo 3.
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My problem with the DLC maps is not the pricing or when they released, but the content themselves and how they were handled in the management aspect.

Heroic - Foundry (customizable yet little variety in MM), Rat's Nest (basic BTB map), Standoff (good map, but folks have had complains with many things and there've been no changes except reducing Team BRs).

Legendary - Avalanche (great RBTB map, but BTB was devalued into a quit/guest-fest), Ghost Town (early on lol like Multi-CTF and Neutral Bomb gaffes were awful, otherwise decent map), Blackout (Lockout remake that felt way short of expectations).

Mythic - Sandbox (customizable but still little used in Ranked MM; seems it is being using for gimmicks than actual, essential matches), Assembley (N/A, but good map), Orbital (in my view, it's a bad map; nothing would save it).
 
I think that Bungie (much like Epic) probably don't put up much of a fight when it comes to not charging for content.

Im sure that they just hate making millions with those "3 maps at a time" content. They say MS control everything, but it sounds like bullshit to me. Hell, Epic own the Gears franchise and they still charge for content. They never charged for anything on PC but now days, they see $$ and people willing to pay for it.

Bungie are being hypocrites, just like Epic and everyone else. If Valve can release free content with L4D and EA with games like FIFA 09 and BF: BC then there's absolutely no excuse for Bungie.

If you wanna make it free, you clearly can. Valve and EA do it. They just choose not to.
 
bigcheese said:
I agree that being forced to buy DLC just to play the same game that you would have been able to play at launch is just bullshit. Which is why I'm getting rid of the game and not getting ODST. This is just absurd. Modern Warfare 2 comes out in a few months and I'll have a hell of a lot more fun with that and I won't be forced to spend more money than what I payed for the game. Fuck Bungie. They're just milking the franchise now anyway so I don't see any reason to keep playing.
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Wait, how many CoD's have their been including Modern (Kill cam extravaganza) Warfare?
 
Silly.Mikey said:
I think that Bungie (much like Epic) probably don't put up much of a fight when it comes to not charging for content.

Im sure that they just hate making millions with those "3 maps at a time" content. They say MS control everything, but it sounds like bullshit to me. Hell, Epic own the Gears franchise and they still charge for content. They never charged for anything on PC but now days, they see $$ and people willing to pay for it.

Bungie are being hypocrites, just like Epic and everyone else. If Valve can release free content with L4D and EA with games like FIFA 09 and BF: BC then there's absolutely no excuse for Bungie.

If you wanna make it free, you clearly can. Valve and EA do it. They just choose not to.
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I find it hilarious that you acknowledge the importance of Epic owning their IP when talking about Gears yet totally disregard it when saying there is no difference between Valve and Bungie's situation.

Microsoft owns Halo, they own the 360, and they own marketplace. MS owns everything, they call the shots. And I'm sure they aren't happy about their #1 developer leaving them.

Valve owns the IPs they develop, on consoles EA publishes Valve's games. It's a very different situation. MS is also very close to EA so they seem to let EA do what EA does.

Get real, man. It may indeed be that Bungie are selfish, make bank on current DLC purchases, and want more money. But to say "[they] clearly can" call the shots?
 
EazyB said:
From what I know and have heard, this situation is also unclear. As was explicitly detailed last summer, Cold Storage's MM implementation was dictated by MS. In order to allow Bungie to release it for free, MS made restricted them to putting the map only in playlists that required the legendary map pack. So while people could still get the map for free, they had to have paid for the Legendary map pack in order to really play on that "free" map.

I also heard, shortly after the mythic maps came out, that MS was really pushing Bungie to implement the maps sooner than later. It's obvious that the sales of all the map packs will dwindle to a trickle once ODST comes out as everyone will already have the maps. So the last opportunity to sell the maps on marketplace is this summer. The mythic map integration was unprecedentedly quick and unless it represents a new DLC philosophy within Bungie, reeks of trying to get a few more bucks from Halo fans before we resell the same people these maps with ODST.
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I did remember Cold Storage, but now that you mention Mythic, the playlist integration did certainly change sharply once Mythic was on the loose. While I don't recall Bungie having hinted at being influenced on that front as well, the playlist changes over the last few months have been extremely aggressive in comparison to the entire preceding period back to Halo 3's launch. Certainly would fit that Microsoft is having some influence, interesting.
 
Latest podcast was a hoot. I laughed every time Luke arbitrarily shouted, "prepare to drop!". Also, all stories of Bungie security are hilarious.
 
EazyB said:
I find it hilarious that you acknowledge the importance of Epic owning their IP when talking about Gears yet totally disregard it when saying there is no difference between Valve and Bungie's situation.

Microsoft owns Halo, they own the 360, and they own marketplace. MS owns everything, they call the shots. And I'm sure they aren't happy about their #1 developer leaving them.

Valve owns the IPs they develop, on consoles EA publishes Valve's games. It's a very different situation. MS is also very close to EA so they seem to let EA do what EA does.

Get real, man. It may indeed be that Bungie are selfish, make bank on current DLC purchases, and want more money. But to say "[they] clearly can" call the shots?
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I think that leaving MS has made them $$ hungry. Or $$ needy. Why is it that Halo2's content is all free now, the first Halo3 maps are free and now all of a sudden, it's all stopped. What happened? MS decides that 5 years after launching Halo2, this was the time to put finally their foot down with Bungie?? Nevermind that Bungie has had they're way since 2004. Bull....Shit. Bungie can always get what it want, they just choose not to.

Instead, they'll make you buy a 60$ game in September in order to play 3 new H3 maps online and thus making the playlists even more difficult to play for people who dont own all maps. You'd think that they would release them for free, as a "thank you" for supporting our game for all these years, now heres 3 maps and a brand new game for you guys. Nope, pay pay pay, oh and you wanna play the game online? You have about 2-3 playlists you can enter without the maps, unless you buy our new game! :) Gee thanks.
 
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