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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Mr. Enigma
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Willeth said:
But that's too good of an idea and doesn't rape the customers of more money, so it won't work.
AnEternalEnigma said:
Also something about support for that needing to be built in immediately and differences in quality and differences in the number of users making these requests and any other number of factors BUT YOU TAKE THAT SOAPBOX AND YOU STAND ON IT, MR. INTERNET.
Programming isn't the problem, obviously. Think about how one views a film in Halo 3, versus how one uploads video to YouTube. There is a very obvious, very significant difference, and it has nothing to do with programming.
Odd that I said what was the limiting factor before, and you make a post saying I'm wrong, at least indirectly. Do you really believe in your own superiority that much? Because from what I've seen in my few months of lurking here, you seem to play pretty fast and loose with the facts.
For everyone else, the test is going pretty good so far, found some good bugs, hopefully we'll be able to get you guys trying HD rendering soon with a new batch of render minutes.
Odd that I said what was the limiting factor before, and you make a post saying I'm wrong, at least indirectly. Do you really believe in your own superiority that much? Because from what I've seen in my few months of lurking here, you seem to play pretty fast and loose with the facts.
For everyone else, the test is going pretty good so far, found some good bugs, hopefully we'll be able to get you guys trying HD rendering soon with a new batch of render minutes.
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Captain Blood
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Achronos said:
Cool I am kinda bummed now that I didn't pay for bungie pro after it ran out from which ever map set it came with. Legendary?
The Librarian
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Can't wait to use BuTube with ODST.
DcLevartho
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neoism said:
I agree, I'm the same age and I understood it. -_-
The Librarian
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Well, I don't know! Is it some sort of saying?neoism said:
DualX
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Still ready for our Halo 2 Friday game night? I'll be hosting this one aaaaand it's going to happen at 2030 CST, that's 8:30pm for you civilians. Make sure you have all of the maps downloaded and that you are able to run them before you join the room.
We'll begin with BR starts on Lockout and go from there.
So uh..anyone?
We'll begin with BR starts on Lockout and go from there.
So uh..anyone?
Kibbles
Member
Holy shit.
So I was looking back at the GI article on H3: ODST. I assumed the beginning was talking about a Spartan, or just any female. Let's take a look at it again though.
As Littlebigman on H.B.O said, Bungie always refer to the main player as "The Rookie", not he. (I haven't checked this for myself yet though)
Could the only one in ODST armor (the player) be this female they are speaking of? Is "The Rookie", the infamous Maddie from the SI's message "Where are you Maddie?"? I also find it bizarre The Rookie was called "buttercup". And something a little out there... in the scan of the ODST holding a pistol, the index finger looks slightly longer than the ring finger. What does that mean? Female confirmed.
[edit] Okay, nevermind I'm crazy. Staten refers to the rookie as a he numerous times in the GI article.
So I was looking back at the GI article on H3: ODST. I assumed the beginning was talking about a Spartan, or just any female. Let's take a look at it again though.
As Littlebigman on H.B.O said, Bungie always refer to the main player as "The Rookie", not he. (I haven't checked this for myself yet though)
Could the only one in ODST armor (the player) be this female they are speaking of? Is "The Rookie", the infamous Maddie from the SI's message "Where are you Maddie?"? I also find it bizarre The Rookie was called "buttercup". And something a little out there... in the scan of the ODST holding a pistol, the index finger looks slightly longer than the ring finger. What does that mean? Female confirmed.
[edit] Okay, nevermind I'm crazy. Staten refers to the rookie as a he numerous times in the GI article.
I edited my map, Access, with more additions for spawns (outside) and slightly bit more cover fire. Weapon times are basically the same. I also re-worked Territories and King of the Hill variants. I tried to simulate KotH to Beaver Creek's points, even though my map altogether isn't exact. Two on the back-sides, two on top, and I put the final one in Rocket spawn. I think Team King could be kind of fun in the map.
Speaking of Team King, what playlist had no grenade starts? Was it Team Hardcore? Something else? I played it once in High Ground, and boy, was it great.
Speaking of Team King, what playlist had no grenade starts? Was it Team Hardcore? Something else? I played it once in High Ground, and boy, was it great.
BakedPigeon
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DualX2 said:
Count me in, i have been playing Halo 2 off and on for the last few weeks so im game.
Mr Vociferous
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This Maddie character is an interesting ingredient.Kibbles said:
Considering that this is only a campaign expansion, that several of the missions are played by secondary characters, that the marketed storyline focuses on uncovering the secret behind the Covenant's invasion plans and that seemingly both the Rookie and his guide, the Supe, are mute -- how the hell are they going to effectively fit a story in there about this Maddie girl and the Rookie's need to find her, and somehow have it deliver on the emotional front, as it seems to be billed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting that it couldn't be done, I'm just shocked that they're going to attempt it in a campaign expansion. It makes me think that some of the storytelling may be passive like the terminals, which, if done right could be plenty awesome.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Mr Vociferous said:
Ugh, everytime you talk about ODST, I want to go straight to AJ.com and re-read the trailer analysis which shoots my hype to extraordinary levels.
Just wanted to mention 1) I'm glad to see community maps like Utah Mambo in matchmaking (ran into it in the Mythic playlist) and 2) I say "like" Utah Mambo, because it is not a good map.
The actual forge work on it is incredible. The guy made some interesting structures and the way he's pushed them into the sand and out into the dunes makes the map have a much more organic feel to it than just a court with dunes around it.
But it's not fun to play on. At least, the one-sided gametypes are not fun, largely because the actual base design is terrible. Conceptually, it's sound. I like the idea of several distinct structures for an attacking team to take control of and slowly advance on the base. But the base itself is convoluted, has too few entry points and huge portions of it go unused.
Case in point: the two tunnels that wrap around the bottom area. They end in a dead end, with a slit wall there. Now, I can see them being useful if they wrapped around the flag, or the arming zone. But they don't. They're just two dead ends looking into a part of the base there is no reason to ever traverse. Dead ends that contain no goodies don't make any sense, especially in the base. If they were unblocked at the end, they would actually be useful.
And then there's how you get into the base in the first place. Basically, walk (or drive) a long time up the dunes and around the base. From down below, there's no direct route up to the top. Up above, there's a huge ramp going into the dune that serves no purpose. I'd say 50-60% of the base goes entirely unused. It was fun arming the bomb and then watching the other team run around trying to figure out how to get up to the arming zone.
I'm probably looking a gift horse in the mouth by ripping on a community map after wanting to see them in matchmaking. My forge skills are nowhere near the guy that made this, and I admire anyone trying asymmetric maps. I'm genuinely glad to see them showing up, and to see the promise of Sandbox start to be realized. But boy, there's some epic forging yet bad design on Utah Mambo.
The actual forge work on it is incredible. The guy made some interesting structures and the way he's pushed them into the sand and out into the dunes makes the map have a much more organic feel to it than just a court with dunes around it.
But it's not fun to play on. At least, the one-sided gametypes are not fun, largely because the actual base design is terrible. Conceptually, it's sound. I like the idea of several distinct structures for an attacking team to take control of and slowly advance on the base. But the base itself is convoluted, has too few entry points and huge portions of it go unused.
Case in point: the two tunnels that wrap around the bottom area. They end in a dead end, with a slit wall there. Now, I can see them being useful if they wrapped around the flag, or the arming zone. But they don't. They're just two dead ends looking into a part of the base there is no reason to ever traverse. Dead ends that contain no goodies don't make any sense, especially in the base. If they were unblocked at the end, they would actually be useful.
And then there's how you get into the base in the first place. Basically, walk (or drive) a long time up the dunes and around the base. From down below, there's no direct route up to the top. Up above, there's a huge ramp going into the dune that serves no purpose. I'd say 50-60% of the base goes entirely unused. It was fun arming the bomb and then watching the other team run around trying to figure out how to get up to the arming zone.
I'm probably looking a gift horse in the mouth by ripping on a community map after wanting to see them in matchmaking. My forge skills are nowhere near the guy that made this, and I admire anyone trying asymmetric maps. I'm genuinely glad to see them showing up, and to see the promise of Sandbox start to be realized. But boy, there's some epic forging yet bad design on Utah Mambo.
Eh, I doubt the story will be any good. Hopefully they use this unique hub setting and different characters to set up really memorable set pieces. Then again I've always been in the crowd that's appreciated a rediculusly awesome co-op moment far more than complicated timeline of story cannon.Mr Vociferous said:
It just seems to me that a blown up, expansive city is the perfect venue where the environment does all the storytelling and minimizes the reliance on previous (, IMO weak,) methods of storytelling. I haven't played STALKER yet (downloaded, PC sucks though) but it's I imagine that game does (or could do). You're just a man in a dangerous environment trying to survive and get shit done.
The few times I have played the map haven't been completely positive either but I think it's too early to write off the map. It's pretty complicated (assymetrical maps are inherently more complex) and I can imagine there are a ton of different ways to approach the map. Once I, and most people I play with/against on the map learn it I'll have much more confidence in dismissing it.GhaleonEB said:
Mr Vociferous
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Dude, it's difficult not to be hyped about ODST no matter what you read. The pieces we have up on AJ pretty much just address the trailer and some of the events which frame 10/20/2552. There's a metric ton of other stuff we haven't even skimmed the surface about this title yet.Domino Theory said:Ugh, everytime you talk about ODST, I want to go straight to AJ.com and re-read the trailer analysis which shoots my hype to extraordinary levels.
I just spent the last half an hour foraging six months worth of updates for a piece I'm working on now. I haven't done that sort of stuff since the development of Halo 3, we're talking circa 2006 - the Mister Chief era.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Mr Vociferous said:
Hm, in terms of ODST, do you think part of New Mombasa's open world/hub gameplay is the ability to free roam the city, without doing ANY story related missions, and just walk around the entire city and run into random Brutes who are just strolling a long, say, a back alley?
Think of it like Fallout 3 where if you're not doing any story related missions (whether it's main or side-quests) and you go to, say, an abandon house and end up running into some enemies who are in the house, you'll be able to fight them no problem.
I would really like it if I could free-roam New Mombasa (not doing ANYTHING story related), cross a street into a back alley and have a couple Brutes just chillin' in the back alley with me having the ability to fight them whenever, however.
Mr Vociferous
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Absolutely. That's the definition of the hub world as far as I can tell, although I'm pretty sure its scale and agility (in terms of loading) will be different than Fallout 3. The enemies there will likely respawn (ie. new enemies are loaded into the environment constantly) and run on patrol cycles, as Bungie has mentioned prior. For example, Phantoms and Brute packs will comb the streets, there might be road blocks, enemy encampments and makeshift depots, things like this.Domino Theory said:
I'm guessing that there will be some element of story still in operation within the hub world, in part because of the Superintendent and in part because I can't see the main narrative catching the needed traction if it just occupied the spoke missions. That said, I fully expect the hub environment to allow the type of open-ended gameplay you're describing.
Like I said, the rest of the map is pretty solid. The slayer games we played in customs, that focused on everything but the base - went great. But regardless of how you get through the map, the base really restricts how it is accessed and has many superfluous and generally unused areas.EazyB said:
But I'm really just bitching because it's late and over the past month I've started three asymmetric maps and I can't finish them.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Mr Vociferous said:
Oh my God.
Mr Vociferous said:
This is the only thing that worries me. If I'm free roaming and doing what I described what I wanted to do above, I don't want something pushing me forward (which is why I'm glad Bungie decided to let the other drop pods/weapons laying around the city be the sort of "start next mission" sequence once I, by my own will, arrive to said items). That's not to say I don't want to do the story missions, because I do really badly, but during my down time when I just want to dick around New Mombasa from time to time, I don't want it implemented into anything else than me screwing around the city aimlessly.
The Librarian
Banned
Hopefully ODST isn't a November release. I want it asap.Mr Vociferous said:
EazyB said:
still 55 to my knowledge.
Voc: Stop hyping me up for this game!!!! >< The wait is so damn long! ...Actually not really. At the most it's 7 months. More like 6 because we're already halfway through May. 6 month wait isn't bad. Right? D:
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*hype* ><
Also as of today I'm not legally old enough to buy a lottery ticket!
..or do you have to be 21? :|Maddie isn't necessary someone that the Rookie is looking for. She's someone the Superintendent is looking for - possibly under his own steam, possibly because he's helping the Rookie. Possibly she is the Rookie. I'm not saying much new there, though.
I've already given my thoughts on why she won't be called Maddie any more, though.
I've already given my thoughts on why she won't be called Maddie any more, though.
Captain Blood
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Mr Vociferous said:
MARIA!!!!
StUnNeR H2K
Member
Captain Blood said:
You mean this MARIA?
Cause that would be so awesome for her to in some way make an appearance in the game
EDIT: It would make sense though that she would go back to active duty with the Covenant/Flood on earth during the events of Halo 3. I mean if she does have a family on Earth would she not do what is needed to protect them?
Captain Blood
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StUnNeR H2K said:You mean this MARIA?
Cause that would be so awesome for her to in some way make an appearance in the game
EDIT: It would make sense though that she would go back to active duty with the Covenant/Flood on earth during the events of Halo 3. I mean if she does have a family on Earth would she not do what is needed to protect them?
I was going the horrible annoying GoW2 route actually lol
StUnNeR H2K
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Captain Blood said:
Yeah GoW2 goes way over my head...
BakedPigeon
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So exactly what time is the Halo 2 carnage going down tonight?
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