Captain Blood
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AnEternalEnigma said:
Fuck it dude just hop on RE5 and play some of its multiplayer modes.........o wait.
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Fuck it dude just hop on RE5 and play some of its multiplayer modes.........o wait.
Mr. Enigma
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GhaleonEB said:
Starting in June, there's only going to be about 3 or 4 playlists that won't require the Legendary or Mythic maps. The most played playlist, Team Slayer, is going to be locked out from non-Legendary/Mythic owners. That decision has nothing to do with Microsoft.
Don't even pretend that's not a fucking dirty thing to do.
I understand that Microsoft controls the DLC pricing on games that they publish. I totally get that. But what Bungie does with these playlists is 100% up to them. Completely pissing on the non-DLC owners like what they plan to do in June is really sad considering this is the same company who, pre-Halo 2, wanted to keep all their DLC free.
I guess greed is contagious.
It really is a shitty situation, but I think you underestimate Microsoft's involvement. Bungie was for a long time a first party developer, MS naturally would have made many of the pricing decisions (And they did). Even now while Bungie is independent, Microsoft still wields a large amount of control over Halo 3 and the franchise itself. Bungie hasn't exactly kept quiet about who decides when or even if stuff becomes free. Shuffling around playlists won't fix it, not now.AnEternalEnigma said:
Having said that, it's still an enormously shitty way of doing business and I hope one day Microsoft's wallet suffers because of it.
KevinRo said:
Just because you tell people to stop being cheap and buy the damn maps does not mean you are part of the BDF. Though ill happily be part of it. I do not have a problem with the playlists. I want to play My *purchased* DLC in Ranked Playlists. I think Bungle should perhaps make social playlists not require the maps, while have the ranked ones required.
Nutter said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Before the update you could play your *purchased* DLC in Ranked Playlists. So your argument is invalid. If you wanted to play your purchased DLC more often then blame Bungie for not making the maps free or more enticing to buy aka make better fucking maps then Blackout and Orbital. Oh, and I remember playing Left4Dead the other day with a new mode and a new map that I *cough* DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR.
This whole hide behind M$ is a cop-out. If you can't see this now that they(BUNGIE NOT M$) is now requiring people to buy DLC to play in Matchmaking then you are just plain blind.
Captain Blood
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Nutter said:
If throwing a Non-DLC slayer playlist and Non-DLC skirmish playlist into the mix means I get the play the DLC maps in regular matchmaking then I am fine with it. I rarely play COD and have no interest getting the maps. I would have no problem throwing in the game and being limited to a few playlists. The paying customers who play all the time should have precedence over the customers who don't pay and only play now and then.
Then again there is always that bright idea that Bungie should just pay microsoft so people can have all the maps for free and they should come with ice-cream 
MS doesn't handle what and what doesn't get required for the playlists in today's Halo 3 setup. They do control the pricing, and that hasn't been a secret. I haven't heard people moaning about the prices of maps for a while, and that's because since Halo 2's multiplayer map packs, they've been quite fair. Now then you discuss, does substance equal quality? Are maps like Foundry worth it? Are maps like Standoff or Orbital worth it? That's after your decision to purchase the said map packs.Botolf said:
As for the Legendary map pack... As a consumer you would like them to be free so you can play more playlists that require them (which is Bungie controlled, not MS). Look at it, also, this way. If the map packs are selling well, why slip them out to be free? It's good money, and they know they'll get it with that particular map pack. I will guess that the Mythic will be the same.
The requirements for the playlists should be non-required for Social and Weekend Hoppers. For ranked ones, including the Hardcore styles, they should be required, and the Mythic ones should be added freely as they're released.
I may hurt from memory, but I can't recall Halo 2's multiplayer map packs causing any storm within the playlist requirements.
I realize that, but like I said, he was underestimating Microsoft's involvement in this. Bungie might have found a solution to avoid this problem before release, after the release date their options became much more limited (Thanks in large part that they can't change many parts of the game). Playlist shuffling might help, but it's not going to be a solution any of the people complaining will be happy with (I wouldn't happy with it either, I believe this bullshit model should have been shot down when it was first suggested!). Any overhauls of the playlists themselves would introduce their own potentially huge negatives (waiting 15 minutes for your game to find people to populate a single match comes to mind). I'm not a fan at all of forcing players to have the DLC to play the old playlists, but it seems like Bungie may be backed into a corner here. Don't do it, and the people will protest with their wallets and wait for abysmal sales to force the prices down. Do it, and you'll bump up the number of players in those playlists with your new maps. Don't do it, and your DLC may get barely any playtime in the playlists, decreasing incentive to get them in the first place.Striker said:
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Bungie are handling things just fine, despite the price both map packs have sold well and have continued to sell well. This is a testament to the quality of said maps. Halo has been riding high on the LIVE rankings and has regained the top spot, above every other 360 game, almost two years after it's release, is a testament to their handling of the online infrastructure and playlist management.
A few disgruntled folks popping on a non-Bungie forum, hoping to bitch directly at Bungie employees because they happen to post here is both pathetic and not reflective of the overwhelming majority of online Halo 3 players' opinions and attitudes.
Most outrageous handling of DLC? Bungie paying Microsoft to change prices? Firing Bungie employees because they are good at their job but don't make the decisions you want?
Seriously, cry moar or whatever the meme is and get over yourselves. You don't like how things are done, message received. No one cares.
Every few weeks in this thread it's the same shit over and over. The majority of people in this thread are content, as are most Halo players in general. There are valid criticisms, nothing can be perfect but all this stupid shit that a very small number of folks keep bringing back up is whiny, childish and goes against what most folks here think.
I think the only reason some of the folks on here keep coming back with this shit is because of the Bungie posters. HaloGAF isn't some kind of magical shortcut to Bungie's ears, we shouldn't have to put up with the same pointless, counter-productive arguments on here, shitting up this thread because you are too lazy to lobby your arguments through the proper channels or because your unhappy that you are being ignored elsewhere.
I'm effectively doubling my ignore list this morning because I'm sick of coming on here and seeing this shit and the last thing I want to do is getting into downwards spiraling shit flinging.
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A few disgruntled folks popping on a non-Bungie forum, hoping to bitch directly at Bungie employees because they happen to post here is both pathetic and not reflective of the overwhelming majority of online Halo 3 players' opinions and attitudes.
Most outrageous handling of DLC? Bungie paying Microsoft to change prices? Firing Bungie employees because they are good at their job but don't make the decisions you want?
Seriously, cry moar or whatever the meme is and get over yourselves. You don't like how things are done, message received. No one cares.
Every few weeks in this thread it's the same shit over and over. The majority of people in this thread are content, as are most Halo players in general. There are valid criticisms, nothing can be perfect but all this stupid shit that a very small number of folks keep bringing back up is whiny, childish and goes against what most folks here think.
I think the only reason some of the folks on here keep coming back with this shit is because of the Bungie posters. HaloGAF isn't some kind of magical shortcut to Bungie's ears, we shouldn't have to put up with the same pointless, counter-productive arguments on here, shitting up this thread because you are too lazy to lobby your arguments through the proper channels or because your unhappy that you are being ignored elsewhere.
I'm effectively doubling my ignore list this morning because I'm sick of coming on here and seeing this shit and the last thing I want to do is getting into downwards spiraling shit flinging.
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Just noticed, best avatar on here.
yikes.KevinRo said:
Before the update you could play your *purchased* DLC in Ranked Playlists. So your argument is invalid. If you wanted to play your purchased DLC more often then blame Bungie for not making the maps free or more enticing to buy aka make better fucking maps then Blackout and Orbital. Oh, and I remember playing Left4Dead the other day with a new mode and a new map that I *cough* DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR.
This whole hide behind M$ is a cop-out. If you can't see this now that they(BUNGIE NOT M$) is now requiring people to buy DLC to play in Matchmaking then you are just plain blind.
I think the next map pack should be 20bucks and required from day 1 to spite you.
If you have a problem with the game and its DLC then perhaps find another game to play?
May I suggest Killzone, I hear there are plenty of new fish in that game where you can dong on people.
Mr. Enigma
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Dani said:
I own a business that's been in business for 35 years. I would never make any of my customers feel forced into buying a new item to continue functionality of something else that worked perfectly fine without it before. It's ultimately bad business. Sure, there's going to be the dumb rubes (likely you) that will shovel any shit down their throat without thinking about it. But eventually, the buy-this-or-that-will-break model will create some bitterness from the people that felt forced into buying it, especially with some of the negative things I've heard about Orbital. Then of course, you have the people with a brain and can spot shady bullshit as soon as it's advertised.
Oh yeah. And I like how you ignorantly assume that people are complaining here ONLY because Bungie people post here.
As if every other Halo 3 mesage board is filled with nothing but positivity, right? Whatever. This is a fucking message board. People are going to express thoughts on both sides of the fence. Get over it, junior.
Domino Theory
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AnEternalEnigma said:
Bwahaha. :lol
Call of Duty 4 doesn't even have a map pack playlist! It showed up once when the maps originally came out then went away. It showed up again for one DBLEXP weekend, and it's gone. The maps only show up when everyone in the room has them, that's not "figuring it out", that's just how ALL MP games with maps as DLC work, even Halo 3.
Gears of War 2 only allows DLC maps to show up if EVERYONE in the room has ALL DLC. But they're going to tweak that a bit in TU4 so that at least one DLC pack map shows up, of course, that's if everyone in the room has at least one DLC pack. But they also have playlists dedicated to the DLC (woah, kinda like Bungie?).
Edit: @Striker: Microsoft does have some say in map integration at certain times. They're the ones who made damn sure that Bungie created a Team Mythic playlist when the Halo Wars CE came out.
xxjuicesxx
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I'm not a broke ass chump and I currently have all the maps.
I STILL don't think it should be required for the playlists. Many players play this game at a rate that doesn't warrant a purchase of additional maps (they might not even be tired of the original maps) and many players have ethical issues with paying for maps in the first place let alone having them be required.
*What Bungie should have done is realized they WERE going to have DLC in Halo 3 and they should have written the code to start a game and pick the map THEN pick players from that set of requirements (do these players have these maps?) That way you will get DLC maps in MM if you have the maps at the same pace you would any other map. Not pick all the players then say "do ALL these players have the dlc maps?" This would allow you to get the maps you want (DLC ones) unless you partied up with someone who didn't have them (maybe make that not possible DLC and non-DLC players unable to party in MM even just Ranked games, it'd be a pain but it'd solve that problem) or just let DLC players and non DLC players join together and it'd be a way to avoid the DLC maps in MM if players chose to abuse that.* - i hope that makes sense, i have a crazy fucking headache.
* Any of this is better than what is being implemented now.
I STILL don't think it should be required for the playlists. Many players play this game at a rate that doesn't warrant a purchase of additional maps (they might not even be tired of the original maps) and many players have ethical issues with paying for maps in the first place let alone having them be required.
*What Bungie should have done is realized they WERE going to have DLC in Halo 3 and they should have written the code to start a game and pick the map THEN pick players from that set of requirements (do these players have these maps?) That way you will get DLC maps in MM if you have the maps at the same pace you would any other map. Not pick all the players then say "do ALL these players have the dlc maps?" This would allow you to get the maps you want (DLC ones) unless you partied up with someone who didn't have them (maybe make that not possible DLC and non-DLC players unable to party in MM even just Ranked games, it'd be a pain but it'd solve that problem) or just let DLC players and non DLC players join together and it'd be a way to avoid the DLC maps in MM if players chose to abuse that.* - i hope that makes sense, i have a crazy fucking headache.
* Any of this is better than what is being implemented now.
You don't know that. It's obvious MS can say what kind of integration DLC maps get as they've tied it to Legendary.Striker said:
It's unclear who is to blame but I'm kinda on the fence with the current subject. It moistens my unmentionables thinking about having the widest variety of maps possible in all the playlists but think the integration is going to be a little too stringent. But hey, Halo 3 will be two years old and at this point, if people are still playing, they should understand having to pay a bit for some great content and to play the majority of the playlists.
They'll still have the basic covered and that's all they should really expect.
In an ideal world MS would allow the maps to be free after they've been out for over a year. I still believe the mythic DLC playlist integration was inexcusably bad (worse than both Legendary and Heroic) so they coulda improve it while they waited for the maps to become free. But hey, if the maps are never going to be free, may as well require them now if the barrier for entry will never be lower.
Deputy Moonman
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People keep forgetting that Matchmaking is only one part of Halo3. You still have the campaign, online coop, customs, and the ability to do some of the matchmaking on Xbox-live, without having to buy any of the new content. The argument that says, "I shouldn't have to fork over more money after paying 60 bucks to keep my product functional," is not exactly correct. It's not like you went out and bought a baseball bat. There's a lot more involved in the upkeep of online games.
Can Blizzard keep the sheer number of people it has playing World of Warcraft without constantly making fixes and updates to the game? If not, do you feel that they're justified in charging a monthly fee? If you answered yes, then you have to take into consideration the amount of work that goes into keeping Halo3 a fun game over the internet, too.
The one thing no one can argue is that businesses are in the business of trying to make money. It's bad salesmanship if you're not trying to milk the dollar. Whether anyone likes it or not, I don't know why anyone should expect differently.
EDIT: On a side note, I was just playing some games on team mythic and two guys were trying to convince me to let them boost my account to 50. Basically, they claimed they just wanted to play team doubles and that using a lower account made it more fun for them. But there is still the whole, "having to give them your account information" thing too. And I wouldn't get to play while they were doing it. I left their party. Some day I'll hit 50, and when I do it will be because I made it to 50 and not someone else for me.
Can Blizzard keep the sheer number of people it has playing World of Warcraft without constantly making fixes and updates to the game? If not, do you feel that they're justified in charging a monthly fee? If you answered yes, then you have to take into consideration the amount of work that goes into keeping Halo3 a fun game over the internet, too.
The one thing no one can argue is that businesses are in the business of trying to make money. It's bad salesmanship if you're not trying to milk the dollar. Whether anyone likes it or not, I don't know why anyone should expect differently.
EDIT: On a side note, I was just playing some games on team mythic and two guys were trying to convince me to let them boost my account to 50. Basically, they claimed they just wanted to play team doubles and that using a lower account made it more fun for them. But there is still the whole, "having to give them your account information" thing too. And I wouldn't get to play while they were doing it. I left their party. Some day I'll hit 50, and when I do it will be because I made it to 50 and not someone else for me.
xxjuicesxx
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Deputy Moonman said:
I agree, business gotta make cash, to keep the working going down. I think on the WoW box it says you need to pay a monthly fee, wherein Halo 3 box doesn't say you need to keep paying the DLC packs costs to keep playing MM. Usually the XBLive subscription has been the monthly cost up until recently it seems. Warnings on boxes, I'd be OK with that as the answer too. Right now it does feel shady though.
Fun Factor
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Since this is bumped, did Bungie change it so I can play ranked 16 player games without having to buy DLC or are they still limiting 8-12 players max on every playlist for people who haven't bought the DLC?
Domino Theory
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FTWer said:
There is no ranked 16 player playlist. There's Squad Battle which is ranked (12 players) and only requires the free map pack (Heroic).
Zeouterlimits
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Eye of the Tiger training montage incoming?Deputy Moonman said:
Deputy Moonman
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:lol Haha I'll get on that right awayZeouterlimits said:
You might just need to wait a while. Sometimes Halo takes a while to notice that the maps are on your hard drive, especially if you got them on a different account. So solve this, go itno custom games, load up a map, and pop back into Matchmaking.
Also, if you're close to the saved item limit of a hundred, maps won't load and you'll have to delete some screenshots or films.
EDIT: Christ, that's what I get for leaving a tab open for too long. That's a reply to a post halfway up the page.
Also, if you're close to the saved item limit of a hundred, maps won't load and you'll have to delete some screenshots or films.
EDIT: Christ, that's what I get for leaving a tab open for too long. That's a reply to a post halfway up the page.
Shake Appeal
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Finding it harder and harder to read this thread. Just constant back-and-forth squabbling. Maybe if I played with some of you, but as it is it's just a flow and ebb (and mostly flow) of bile and bickering. I'm surprised the Bungie staffers come here.
Zeouterlimits
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When the bickering and moaning starts is when I leave the thread, just let it get it out of the system.Shake Appeal said:
In the end I don't think people would keep on posting in here if they didn't love Halo.
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Ignore lists help...somewhat.Shake Appeal said:
Grimm Fandango
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HaloGAF is on its period again.
Mr. Enigma
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Domino Theory said:
There's a reason they don't need the playlist. I and my friends see the DLC maps all the time in regular playlists Call of Duty 4. Infinity Ward didn't fucking fracture the user base, keeping non-DLCers out of certain playlists like Bungie is doing/about to do.
So tell me, if Halo 3 can do this, why are they about to lock out non-DLC owners from these playlists?
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Microsoft put Bungie in this position. Microsoft controls the pricing of the DLC, not Bungie.AnEternalEnigma said:
BakedPigeon
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Strider2K99 said:
Its going down friday. Ive got to warm my double shot up.
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The Librarian
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Never said Bungie didn't have a say.Nutter said:
Self Induced
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Niterider and I decided to try for some brokeback stickies on an Orbital game about a month ago since we were in the lead by a good bit. After about 5 minutes or so I finally got one as the last kill of the game as we were spinning wildly through the air to our deaths.
I was going to wait for BungieTube, but I guess that is still a while away.
I was going to wait for BungieTube, but I guess that is still a while away.
Kibbles
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^ Speaking of BuTube...
Render to Video Public Beta. Point requirement weirdness. I'll stick to my capture card for now unless I want some HD stuff.
[edit] You need to be Bungie Pro too. I don't even have XBL Gold at the moment. I can't pay for all this shit, I'm broke =( I just used all my spare money on my airsoft gun, sight, and other accessories.
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=RTVPublicBeta
Render to Video Public Beta. Point requirement weirdness. I'll stick to my capture card for now unless I want some HD stuff.
[edit] You need to be Bungie Pro too. I don't even have XBL Gold at the moment. I can't pay for all this shit, I'm broke =( I just used all my spare money on my airsoft gun, sight, and other accessories.
http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=RTVPublicBeta
Kibbles said:
Let me get this straight, Bungie Pro members get just a single point dropped into their account each month and it costs 5 points per minute for HD content? The fuck.
Edit: Wait, does it only cost that much for you to upload your own content in your Fileshare? In other words, can I watch other people's content without having to pay in Bungie points so long as it's rendered? (Like Alisdair's video above, for example.)
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Haha, this is so sweet! My 17 second clip got rendered in less than a minute.
http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=63048714
SD quality is pretty good.
http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=63048714
SD quality is pretty good.
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