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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Metroidvania said:
Happy to:
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14821/Xbox-360-Achievements-Lead-to-Higher-Scores-and-Sales/
EEDAR STUDY SHOWS MORE ACHIEVEMENTS IN GAMES LEADS TO HIGHER REVIEW SCORES, INCREASED SALES
Research Shows Gamers' Purchase Decisions Are Influenced by Achievements; Developers Can Utilize More Diverse Inclusion to Increase Revenue And Success
San Diego, Calif. Oct. 16, 2007 Electronic Entertainment Design and Research (EEDAR) has just released a revealing new study based on the Microsoft Xbox 360 Achievement System. The study concluded that, in general, game titles that have a higher volume of Accomplishments correlate with both a higher Metacritic Metascore and higher gross sales in the United States. The data also indicated that not all developers are utilizing these design options. In fact, 29% of all Accomplishments are Completion Accomplishments; one of the easiest to develop and integrate leaving way for additional opportunities within the Accomplishment categories.
The new study, Accomplishments Unlocked 2007, conducted by EEDAR, the first company to provide a published classification system for Accomplishments, focused on the Xbox 360 Accomplishment system and the impact it has on Metacritic scores, sales and profitability. The results showed a strong connection between a game titles diversity of Accomplishment types with that games profitability pointing to the idea that the more diverse the Accomplishments available to the user, the more enjoyable the game, higher review scores, more units sold.
Consumers want their games to include both variety and abundance of Accomplishments, said Geoffrey Zatkin, COO, EEDAR. Our research shows that incentives such as Accomplishments impact sales choices such as which game title to buy and which platform to buy it on; they also extend the replayability of a title.
EEDAR's study showed game titles that incorporate online elements into their Accomplishments generate 50% more money than those that do not. It also found evidence that consumers are taking the time to review the available Accomplishments for a game before making purchasing decisions; game titles which keep their Accomplishments secret generate less revenue than those who expose them to players upfront.
Also, research indicated that game titles can generate up to 50% more revenue by including Accomplishments with Viral Marketing aspects (User Generated Content, Community or Customization Accomplishments).
About Study Methodology
Electronic Entertainment Design and Research (EEDAR) analyzed the 4,615 achievements incorporated in 124 retail and 63 downloadable game titles available for the Microsoft® Xbox 360 during the period November 1, 2005 through June 1, 2007.
As part of the report, EEDAR also released the first published classification system for Accomplishments, identifying 16 unique types of accomplishments and examples of how to best implement them. In addition to the Accomplishment classification system, the report referenced many additional factors including genre, ESRB rating, gross sales in the United States, Metacritic® Metascore®, online dependency and multiplayer capability. The report identified highly informative success and revenue correlations between Accomplishment types and the analyzed factors.
EEDAR gathers its information from a variety of sources and goes to great lengths to verify the accuracy of its information, as detailed below. Where information is publicly available from an authoritative source, such as the issuer or the responsible industry agency, that data is used as authoritative and then double checked by an EEDAR researcher. Where information is not publicly available, EEDAR's internal staff performs directed studies to gather the appropriate data using custom-built data collection and analysis applications. Each researched fact has an objective observation system which ensures that researcher bias is eliminated. Our data research is performed by multiple researchers simultaneously to ensure that individual facts are cross-checked before being input into the classification system established for that fact. Once information has been entered in the EEDAR Games Database (EGD), quality assurance staff review the data using boundary analysis tools to identify errors and pinpoint difficulties in the classification systems.
Interested parties can purchase the report at www.eedar.com
GhaleonEB said:Nope. 50 max for the base game, 10 for DLC. As GDJustin said, that is TOTAL. 10 Achievements for DLC, 250 Gamerscore - for TOTAL DLC. Not per pack.
The only way to do this is if Microsoft changes their DLC guidelines. Possible, but we're getting deeper and deeper into unlikely territory.
IIRC, he's a developer. He knows what he's talking about.
(So do I, BTW - former Xbox MVP here)
Orange Box achievements. the 1 current exception to the rule. Assumed its because of the multiple games in one box.
Personally, i think the new content coming will be a combination of a map pack disc similar to what EazyB already mentioned, and an option of paid DLC which will add the new maps and patch in the new achievements. Now this would force a change in the achievements rules, which as been mentioned makes it a bit unlikely, but it's the only option to me that makes any sense. 250pts per "major" DLC release would also explain why the achievements added up to an odd number like 750, but that's assuming they're all being included for release.
The Librarian
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The achievements we saw in the pictures could be all possible achievements, and Bungie just hasn't decided on which of these to release. I can definitely see Bungie extending Halo 3's replayability as much as possible, and this is one of the few more ways they could it.
MaritalWheat
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Valve had to ask, exception was made to the rule...Dirtbag 504 said:
No outcry over it though.
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Rogosh said:
Why is it unlikely for MS to allow more achievements to be added to games, thus bringing new life to any current/old game? And more money for the publishers if they tied new achievements to content?
:lol.
MaritalWheat said:
#1) Because it's a compilation of 5 games. So there's a LOGICAL reason to double the # of available achievements. With Halo, there isn't.
#2) It still totals 1000 gamerpoints (a fact a lot of you seem to happily ignore). It suggests very strongly that MS takes gamerpoint integrity seriously. They most likely said "OK, you can have 100 achievements, but they can still only total 1000 points" and that was the compromise.
The Librarian
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No matter who's right on this, whether or not we are getting 750G worth of gamerpoints or 250G...Kibbles said:
I firmly believe we are getting new achievements. And that in itself is cause to celebrate.
For the record, I actually agree with you. I think the points totals aren't final yet and why bungie freaked on the pictures of them.GDJustin said:
For the sake of being devil's advocate, and not liking your tone.
1). I'd argue that at 30 dollars of dlc map packs (totalled up), we've crossed into new territory with halo and achievement points.
2). It also suggests that none of these rules are final.
MaritalWheat
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Yeah, I realize thats probably the only reason they got the OK...99 achievements is probably more of a sale-loser than anything else since lame people would be like "99, too much work!!"GDJustin said:
Kibbles said:
The whole point of my original post on this subject was to QUELL all the speculation - not to stoke it further -_-
No retail game can have more than 1250 gamerpoints, regardless of the # of expansions it has had. Since the leaked achievements total much more than 1250, then they either aren't real, aren't final, or are part of a new release.
My whole POINT was that arguing something other than that was barking up the wrong tree.
GM Bullfrog
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Kibbles said:
IAWTP
Captain Blood
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Not saying he isn't right just kinda being an ass to people. I am in the camp of if the achievements are real they prob aren't final, I also doubt there will be 750 points.GhaleonEB said:Nope. 50 max for the base game, 10 for DLC. As GDJustin said, that is TOTAL. 10 Achievements for DLC, 250 Gamerscore - for TOTAL DLC. Not per pack.
The only way to do this is if Microsoft changes their DLC guidelines. Possible, but we're getting deeper and deeper into unlikely territory.
IIRC, he's a developer. He knows what he's talking about.
(So do I, BTW - former Xbox MVP here
In fear of causing GD to spiral into some sort of conniption fit I say we change the topic.
Everyone should turn on their 360s and check the Red vs. Blue Rock the Vote vids. You can find them on Inside Xbox.
Here's links to the videos. Hilarious 1 Hilarious 2
ENJOY IT OR DIE MOTHER FUCKERS!
Edited for extra assertiveness
Everyone should turn on their 360s and check the Red vs. Blue Rock the Vote vids. You can find them on Inside Xbox.
Here's links to the videos. Hilarious 1 Hilarious 2
ENJOY IT OR DIE MOTHER FUCKERS!
Edited for extra assertiveness
GhaleonEB said:Edit: I'm late. I blame the wrist brace, can't type fast in it.
True. But they got an exception for the number of Achievements...not gamerscore.
There are 99 achievements with a total of 1000 points
As you said - could be placeholder values. Could be any of a half-dozen things.
AU2 hits in 12 days. We should be able to at least eliminate some possibilities between now and then.
agreed!
whats up with your wrist?
xxjuicesxx
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Haha he posted that study article and pretty much showed whoever questioned that. Funny shit.
Interesting article btw.
Interesting article btw.
The Librarian
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It's what happens when you are in your seventies.GhaleonEB said:Advanced carpel tunnel.
Just wait until you get as old as Louis Wu...
In fear of causing GD to spiral into some sort of conniption fit I say we change the topic.
Everyone should turn on their 360s and check the Red vs. Blue Rock the Vote vids. You can find them on Inside Xbox.
Here's links to the videos. Hilarious 1 Hilarious 2
ENJOY IT OR DIE MOTHER FUCKERS!
Edited for extra assertiveness
Watching them both now, Eazy.
But only because you called me a motherfucker.
Edit: :lol :lol
backflip10019
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Look ma, I got a pretty good stick.
http://www.gamevee.com/viewVideo/Halo_3/GeeVee/Lucky_stick/810146
http://www.gamevee.com/viewVideo/Halo_3/GeeVee/Lucky_stick/810146
I suck with plasmas.
The Librarian
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Excuse me, but if I could vote, I would be voting Obama.EazyB said:
backflip10019
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Dax01 said:
Why the fuck would you do that? I'm voting for Sarah Palin's daughter's vagina.
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backflip10019
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3 BALL!
Lagfest.... :/
Lagfest.... :/
xxjuicesxx
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Im voting for Master Chief.
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I'm voting AR.
The Librarian
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PoliGAF: The Place for PoliticsCocopjojo said:
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Eazy, those RvB videos are hilarious. Thanks for linking them.:lol
Good man.Cocopjojo said:
Randy Lanzarote
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EazyB said:My GF thinks that Master Chief is called Commander in Chief. I haven't bothered correcting her
He's probably due for a promotion anyway, how Johnson was still bossing him about after all his cock-ups I'll never know.
Its almost a great an injustice as when Janeway appeared in Star Trek 10 giving orders to Picard..... I threw my popcorn as hard as I could. It nearly flew 5 feet.
backflip10019
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Cocopjojo said:
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