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The Official Halo 3 Thread
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Kibbles
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According to that guy, who cited the dutch magazine. I think they may have estimated a bit too high, since Bungie has been saying it's not quite as long as Halo 3, but it still seems like it'll be longer than expected. When it comes down to it, it all depends on the player.Botolf said:
DcLevartho
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GhaleonEB said:
Same, exploring a sandbox has always been one of my most favorite things in video games.
I know I'll spend a lot of time exploring New Mombasa. It's cool the reviews/previews coming in are so positive. To be honest, I've been bracing for scathing reviews.
Oh, one more comment on Ghavalanche: I love how the FRG works with the power cores. I can see how if you were to fully coordinate with your team, you could have one guy grab rockets and OS, and have the other get camo and then the FRG after another guy explodes it towards him. I thought that was a cool feature.
And for the thread, go with Halo 3: ODST.
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Oh, one more comment on Ghavalanche: I love how the FRG works with the power cores. I can see how if you were to fully coordinate with your team, you could have one guy grab rockets and OS, and have the other get camo and then the FRG after another guy explodes it towards him. I thought that was a cool feature.
And for the thread, go with Halo 3: ODST.
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Gun down in Firefight confirmed? Or just trickery by Gamestop marketers?Kibbles said:
Buckethead
Banned
Yeah, ODSTs name is poopy, especially considering it's close to "OST - Official Soundtrack". The name "Recon" was cooler and that was also terrible. Oh well.
Also, for christ's sake Bungie, take out the Vidmaster achievements.
Also, for christ's sake Bungie, take out the Vidmaster achievements.
Buckethead
Banned
I know how desperately you crave an avatar quote to help stimulate yourself sexually, but I will not indulge you. Oh no, I will not. :lolLetters said:
Major Williams
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Just saw District 9 again for the second time tonight. Blomkamp is great with his details; some of the things I thought were plot holes after the first watch were actually explained in the second watch with minor details. Wow. It would have been great to see his view of the Halo world, but I guess the shorts are the best we'll get for now.
I don't know if this was posted here yet (I don't think it has been) but Gamersyde posted ~15 minutes of footage with the full opening cutscene and little bits of gameplay that ODST will ship with as detailed by a couple Bungie employees (including Stosh). Most is what we've seen already, but some of it was nice to see all the way through, especially the opening cutscene.
*Interesting note: the main menu image of the rookie is the first frame of the opening cutscene. BAMF. Good move Bungie.
I don't know if this was posted here yet (I don't think it has been) but Gamersyde posted ~15 minutes of footage with the full opening cutscene and little bits of gameplay that ODST will ship with as detailed by a couple Bungie employees (including Stosh). Most is what we've seen already, but some of it was nice to see all the way through, especially the opening cutscene.
*Interesting note: the main menu image of the rookie is the first frame of the opening cutscene. BAMF. Good move Bungie.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
GhaleonEB said:
"The Halo 3: ODST Thread of Chief takes a back seat"
Please do this!
Devin Olsen
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Well, that owned.
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I always had thought the idea of having scarabs randomly marching around the hub world but I hadn't even thought about them being in Firefight.GhaleonEB said:
Oh my god that would be the shit. Make it happen, Bungle. If it's not in there right now, stop the disc pressers and delay the shit until it's in.
This gets my vote. Tired of this serious business thread titles, they don't reflect how us HaloGAFers roll.Domino Theory said:
Blueblur1 said:
$60 is too much if you already own Halo 3. Can you imagine if Infinity Ward said this?
"Coming in November is Modern Warfare 2. It has a new single player campaign but we've packaged in COD4 multiplayer with no matchmaking for the co-op. Give us your moneys now please."
I love Bungie and all, but the way MS has handled the packaging and pricing of ODST is really pushing me towards just a rental or borrow.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
TimeLike said:
Comparing Call of Duty to Halo... LOL.
There's so much more care, quality and diversity when it comes to Halo. The only thing Call of Duty's done right is their EXP-based ranking system.
It took 6 Call of Dutys for them to realize "maybe we should start giving the enemies in campaign an AI."
Edit: Yes, I know you're talking more about the packaging/pricing deal, but those statements above needed to be said. There's no replayability to Call of Duty's campaign. It's the same frustrating shit over and over again.
But with Halo, I'm going to play it for more than 500hrs/years to come. And all I have to pay is one flat fee of $65? Count me in.
Bumped for a new page. I've decided this has to happen.Domino Theory said:
MW2's MP is practically the same thing anyways. And it's co-op... :lolTimeLike said:
That said, I and many others that pick up ODST will get more playtime with it than most other $60 games but it's still kinda shitty when compared to normal $60 Halo releases. And Halo 3 is really only a 6 hour game to begin with, I doubt ODST will be longer and I don't think that dutch journalist has even played through the full thing yet anyways.
Neverender
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Jeez I always thought you guys were above this Halo vs CoD crap
EazyB said:
I wasn't trying to compare COD to Halo. That's missing the point. COD was just a placeholder in my statement. I just get the feeling that ODST is on the same level as something like GTA: the Lost and the Damned or Oblivion's expansion, Shivering ISles.
MS is attempting to raise the perceived value of ODST by including Halo3 multiplayer in the box. They're just taking advantage of the Halo name. Give me a version with just the ODST disk for $30 and I'm all for it. Who would pay for Halo3 multiplayer all over again?
Since last year when Bungie introduced ODST as a brief expansion to the Halo3 campaign, just exactly how much content has been added? We all remember when MS slapped Bungie in the mouth like a bitch and told them to shut the fuck up about ODST.
This gave MS a year to convince people that it's really a regular game that you should pay full price for. I'll believe it when I see it.
Major Williams
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EazyB said:
Quoted for truth.
Neverender
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ODST should definitely not be a $60 game (well, $120 here lol), but it's going to sell heaps anyway... I mean if I was in control of the pricing and stood to gain from its profits, I'd be selling it full price as well =]
Naw, I get that. Just can't pass up an opportunity to poop on CoD a bit.TimeLike said:
Understood. Bungie, last, said that they didn't view it as a full release. And it was content complete in January. I really doubt anything substantial was added during that time. The only thing that changed was MS deciding to bump it to $60 and adding the second of the mythic maps.TimeLike said:
I can totally understand why someone would feel ripped off buying ODST for $60, especially if they don't plan on playing online a lot in either competitive or firefight. For those people, they shouldn't drop $60, instead just wait for a price drop or rent. I, on the other hand, am going to play the shit out of this game. Between romping around on repeated playthroughs of the campaign, playing firefight with my roommates and the idiots here, along with continued MM nights I'll get more hours outta this than anything released since Halo 3 and until Reach.
If the pricing doesn't work for you, don't pay a dime. Show MS that this BS doesn't work for you. It probably cost Bungie no more than a buck fifty to make this game, so they'll b k.
Honestly, I fully expect to get $60 (or £45, or whatever) -worth from this game. I'll be playing it a shitload, because it's a Halo game, and I play a lot of Halo with a pretty tight-knit group of folks. Since I haven't actually paid for any of the Halo 3 maps, either, I'm quite happy to pay a little extra to have them all on the disc as a bonus with ODST.
TimeLike said:
Well, to be fair, the multiplayer for Halo 3 does have some value with me, as I no longer have my Halo 3 disc, and I never bought any of the DLC. Having access to that multiplayer again, with all the maps I didn't want to shell out for (though I've been dying to try out sandbox) actually made the price for ODST feel okay in my book.
Though, I don't think I'm in a large group with that mindset, and won't argue against someone saying the price is kind of shitty, considering what Bungie originally said about the game.
So... let's see.
Halo 3 had:
Over the next 18 months, 10 more maps were released, for an additional $30.
Halo 3: ODST will have:
So, for folks who don't have Halo 3, ODST is a no-brainer - easily worth the money.
For folks who DO have Halo 3, let's see if it's worth enough to warrant spending $60:
Campaign: can we call it $25? I don't know what I'd pay for just a new campaign, or what would be charged by LIVE. ($20? Whatever. Let's call it $20.)
All Halo 3 maps in one place? If you've already paid $90 for these, this isn't worth very much; let's say $5 for convenience. (If you tell me it's worth $0, I'll tell you that for quite a significant percentage of Halo 3 buyers, there are still 3-6 unacquired maps (Legendary and Mythic packs), saving them $17.50 - so the value for them brings up your $0, on average.)
Three new Mythic maps? Standard pricing there - $10.
Forge, Theater Mode? $0 - if you have Halo 3, you already have these.
Firefight? I'd pay $30 for this, myself. I understand that many people won't. (Lots of people will say "this is worth about what a new map pack is worth - $10.") Let's compromise a little - call it $15.
What are we up to? $20+$5+$10+$15 = $50.
Is access to the Reach Beta worth $10? I think you can justify a $60 pricepoint for this package - some people will find some parts more or less valuable than what I've listed here... but the fact is, you're getting a bunch more stuff than Bungie originally envisioned, and I think it's really not hard to make the case for a $60 price point.
All that said - there are CERTAINLY people who will find this to be wholly unreasonable. For you - don't buy ODST. It's that simple.
Halo 3 had:
- A 9-level campaign - took experts 5 hours, took beginners 2-3x that.
- 11 multiplayer maps
- Forge
- Theater Mode
Over the next 18 months, 10 more maps were released, for an additional $30.
Halo 3: ODST will have:
- A 6-level campaign - Bungie says it's shorter than Halo 3's, but not by a lot, any more. First non-Bungie estimate seems to be 8-10 hours (compared to 10-15 for the same level of player for Halo 3).
- 24 multiplayer maps - if you've been keeping up with Halo 3, you have 21 of these already, but now they're all in one place (and if you've only been partially keeping up, you're getting them without paying more for them)
- Forge (Halo 3 owners already have it)
- Theater Mode (Halo 3 owners already have it)
- Firefight (a new, non-matchmaking cooperative multiplayer mode that Halo fans have been begging for for 8 years)
- An exclusive ticket to the Halo: Reach beta (this seems to be overlooked quite a lot; although Crackdown turned out to be a decent game, before it came out folks would heap scorn on it out of one side of their mouth, while offering up their cash to buy it in order to get the Halo 3 Beta out of the other side)
So, for folks who don't have Halo 3, ODST is a no-brainer - easily worth the money.
For folks who DO have Halo 3, let's see if it's worth enough to warrant spending $60:
Campaign: can we call it $25? I don't know what I'd pay for just a new campaign, or what would be charged by LIVE. ($20? Whatever. Let's call it $20.)
All Halo 3 maps in one place? If you've already paid $90 for these, this isn't worth very much; let's say $5 for convenience. (If you tell me it's worth $0, I'll tell you that for quite a significant percentage of Halo 3 buyers, there are still 3-6 unacquired maps (Legendary and Mythic packs), saving them $17.50 - so the value for them brings up your $0, on average.)
Three new Mythic maps? Standard pricing there - $10.
Forge, Theater Mode? $0 - if you have Halo 3, you already have these.
Firefight? I'd pay $30 for this, myself. I understand that many people won't. (Lots of people will say "this is worth about what a new map pack is worth - $10.") Let's compromise a little - call it $15.
What are we up to? $20+$5+$10+$15 = $50.
Is access to the Reach Beta worth $10? I think you can justify a $60 pricepoint for this package - some people will find some parts more or less valuable than what I've listed here... but the fact is, you're getting a bunch more stuff than Bungie originally envisioned, and I think it's really not hard to make the case for a $60 price point.
All that said - there are CERTAINLY people who will find this to be wholly unreasonable. For you - don't buy ODST. It's that simple.
I doubt there are that many people that want ODST and don't already have Halo 3. The game sold like 10m copies.
The problem with ODST is that it gets compared to how much content Halo 3 had, opposed to the average 60 dollar 5 hour single player only game.
Whilst I was hoping ODST would be a cheaper game, when it was announced to be full price I wasn't really all that surprised.
The problem with ODST is that it gets compared to how much content Halo 3 had, opposed to the average 60 dollar 5 hour single player only game.
Whilst I was hoping ODST would be a cheaper game, when it was announced to be full price I wasn't really all that surprised.
CrazedArabMan
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The real question is if it is worth 100 dollars.
Yeah, my controller is busted so I bought the limited edition, oh well
CrazedArabMan said:
I'm pretty tempted to get that, if it came in a metal case I definently would.
However, it is $150 Australian (thats ~125 US).
After getting Halo 2, Halo 3 and Halo Wars in the special cases, not getting ODST like this is disappointing.
Why do you want Vidmasters out? So no one else gets Recon?Buckethead said:
And I think Halo 3: Helljumpers would have been a cool name.
I think I've seen the whole cutscene before. I remembered most of that. It's a good cutscene though, can't wait to see it in HD in my own basement.Major Williams said:
NO, you need to wake up NOW with impressions and Firefight tidbits for us.Devin Olsen said:Well, that owned.
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And each time the SI asks where Maddie is, you get another 38 cents of enjoyment. That pushes it to probably around $182.Willeth said:
The Librarian
Banned
It took me around ten hours to beat Halo 3 the first time around. However, since ODST has player-pushed exploration, that will add in an additional 2-3 hours for me (see BioShock).Kibbles said:
And heavy emphasis placed on the story? No complaints here.
You are cruel. :*(Devin Olsen said:Well, that owned.
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Awesome post, Wu.Louis Wu said:
EazyB said:
Willeth said:
You do realise that Gameplay have ODST priced at £29.99?
http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore...beta_access_and_pre-order_bonus_dlc_character
Louis Wu said:
Owning or not owning all the Halo3 maps or having them all in one convenient place has nothing to do with ODST. It's just bullshit shoveled in there by MS to put more checkmarks on the back of the box.
The new Mythic maps also have nothing to do with ODST. They are just like the maps bundled with Halo Wars. It's just shoveled in there even if you don't want it.
Firefight WOULD be worth $30 if it had matchmaking. Getting the stars to align would be easier for me than getting three other people to play firefight at the exact same time I want to.
I've never paid to participate in a beta trial. Why would I start now? Oh I know...because it says Halo in the title.
Basically none of this is any excuse not to have a stripped down version of the game available to people who are not stupid enough to pay money for things they already own.
Wait... what?TimeLike said:
Matchmaking is half of ODST. Who the hell are you to say those maps have nothing to do with the game?
There are still 30,000 people PER WEEK buying Halo 3. You don't think they'd be happy to spend that money on a game that didn't make them spend an EXTRA $17.50 to play in all the current matchmaking playlists?
If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's ridiculous to say it's got nothing to do with ODST, though. (Bungie has stated from DAY ONE that ODST's multiplayer would be Halo 3's multiplayer.)
You don't want it, don't buy it. But don't tell the million-plus people who bought Crackdown that they're idiots, okay? That's patronizing and stupid.
So basically you're saying that you're pissed that Bungie won't release the ODST campaign (and Firefight) as a separate purchase - for less money.
Okay, fine. As I said above - if you don't find the content in the ODST package worth $60, don't buy it. But just like if I want that new, cool, 7-hour battery that's in the brand-new Apple Macbook Pro, I have to buy a WHOLE NEW MACBOOK (even though other than that, it's pretty much exactly the same machine I bought last year)... you can't have the ODST campaign without accepting the Halo 3 multiplayer that comes with it.
If it makes it not worth it for you, I'm cool with that. If you feel the need to call me 'stupid enough to pay money for things I already own' because I think it's worth it for me, I think your attitude sucks.
The Librarian
Banned
I would have to say my proudest moment last night came when my Tool of Destruction was the AR in a game where we didn't start with it.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1315581820&player=dax01
Say what you will, but that takes some serious skill.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1315581820&player=dax01
Say what you will, but that takes some serious skill.
I'm setting up an Xbox Live account for a little cousin of mine, a twelve year old no less, and I'm seeing first hand the playlist restrictions. Damn, this kid only has a 256MB memory card as well; the NXE takes up 128MB, too. I can't believe that some people still play without an HDD. :lol
The Librarian
Banned
Campaign is far more important than Firefight.GhaleonEB said:
I evaluate games in part on how much time I'll spend on it. It's why I don't get too deep into the arguments over $10 map packs. I've spend dozens of hours playing $10 worth of content. And I'll spend dozens of hours in Firefight. Mostly solo, partly with friends, partly with my kid.Blueblur1 said:
I'll also play through the campaign several times, which is likely 30-40 hours of time for me. And that's before we get into the new MP maps.
Would like like hoppers in Firefight? Fuck yes. I think it's a tremendous mistake not to add them in. I understand the reasons why. But it puts Bungie behind the curve, when they are usually ahead of it.
I'd still pay $60 for Firefight, because matchmaking or no I'll be playing the piss out of the game mode. Halo's sandbox is a fun one to romp in.
Where did I say it wasn't?Dax01 said:
And more to the point, with the MP disc, campaign and Firefight you're talking about three very different components. One can lust for one and not the other. Mind you, I want all three. My real point is, value is in the eye of the beholder, and logic only goes so far.
Kibbles
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http://www.deviantart.com/download/115022617/Halo_Wars__Spirit_Dropship_by_Pynion.jpgEazyB said:Am I just crazy or is this not a phantom?
Believe.
Actually, it doesn't look like a Spirit Dropship either. At first I thought it was the back of a Phantom, but the Phantom's tails are more curvy, less blocky.
[edit] I guess it could just be the left side of a Phantom that we are seeing.
The Librarian
Banned
So it's been confirmed that you can play Firefight solo?
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