kpopSuperstar
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Not one, Zendaya and Travis Scott are culture vultures as well. Barely anyone even know who Calypso is.
And that was 20 years ago.
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And that was 20 years ago.
Giallo Corsa
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12 messages my man, they're all rage-baiting ones
Congrats
kpopSuperstar
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Relax, don't take it so serious, it was just a silly post to give her a compliment.
Saber
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I didn't. It's actually hard to for anyone take her for a 10 honestly.
Mengy
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2/10 is far too harsh IMHO, now a 7 or 8 sure.
Either way, she does not fit the role of Helen of Troy. That's like casting Sidney Sweeney to play Oprah Winfrey in a documentary, its just wrong and disrespectful.
Bojji
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I think Lupita is attractive but Zendaya? She was incredible bland since day one, her acting skills are also very questionable. Pedro Pascal is WAY overused but he is a much better actor at least.
roosnam1980
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youtbe is flooded with elliot page
HeisenbergFX4
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Beauty is for sure subjective and varies by culture but maybe I am spoiled living near Miami and spending a lot of time at South Beach because I am right there with you if I passed her on the streets down here she wouldn't get a second look from me
Chuck Berry
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I'm spoiled living near Lauderdale (
) and I'm right there with youI'd see her on the streets and think "More attractive than usual garden variety Haitian."
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Giallo Corsa
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Man, what it could have been if the powers that be actually tried or gave a shit :
(not diverse enough I suppose though, eh?)
The more I look at it, the atrocious casting on Nolan's part looks all the more ridiculous now.
This is why we can't have nice things
(not diverse enough I suppose though, eh?)
The more I look at it, the atrocious casting on Nolan's part looks all the more ridiculous now.
This is why we can't have nice things
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roosnam1980
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OMG
Chuck Berry
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At this point the only thing I'm excited for is a bunch of you coming back from seeing it and giving the ol' "Guys, it actually wasn't that bad".
To be fair, there is NOTHING stopping a bunch of greeks from raising the money and making a more authentic Odyssey, just like they did back in the 60s or whenever with that greek produced Odyssey TV series.
Giallo Corsa
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Chuck, c'mon man...
Jason, like they say in Greece, "from your mouth to God's ears" which means that you're in agreement when someone says something and you wish it to be true.
Having said that :
That, not only wouldn't be easy but actually impossible.
The big Epics REALLY NEED a BIG budget - getting funding is one thing but trying to base the whole project together is another.
-Actors? sure, that would actually be the easiest part.
- location scouting/shooting also easy
- Armors/weapons/props etc...they could easily have Dimitris Katsikis as a consultant so I suppose that would also be kind of easy :
...but then, you fall into the usual problem : Special FX
These, are usually what make or break a project - especially one that involves Gods, monsters, weather effects etc etc - who would they have to turn to ? an American company ? with what budget man from the moment that these special effects would actually be a good 70% of the whole project's budget ?
Unfortunately, these kind of projects need Hollywood money - and again, The only person that would do such a project justice is crazy ol' Mel (Gibson).
Again, I really wish a project such as this would materialize but...yeah
Cheers
Chuck Berry
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What lol
You don't think there will be a handful in this very thread that will have enjoyed it? It happens all the time
Shit, I want to see it out of sheer morbid curiousity and fascination. Hell, I could walk out thinking Polyphemus is some of the best practical effects I've ever seen. doubtful
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I don't agree with Lupita being cast as Helen or Achilles or whatever but I'd take her everyday and twice on Sunday over Zendaya Coleman. I bet Elliot wishes his face was as masculine as Zendaya's. I'd give Lupita a solid 6 elliot a 4 and Ms. (Zendaya) Coleman a 3
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According to this there are at least 17 Greek BILLIONAIRES.
List of Greeks by net worth - Wikipedia
So its just a matter of willpower, really. Ultimately most folks, and certainly the right (wealthy) folks, just don't care.
And I think, ultimately, it's more important to put good renditions (and good translations for the non greeks) of these classics in more hands than it is to try to really capture it in a single film. It's the loss of the "classical liberal education" with common touchstones, mostly based on english, greek, and roman/italian thought and writings, but also French, spanish and german with a smattering of east european/russian, that welded all of western civilization into a monolithic culture able to forge a society capable of dominating most of the globe in almost every aspect, be it militarily, economically, politically, or just through entertainment. While there were advantages of geography and just plain good luck at times that assisted this supremacy, it's also the superior thought arising from these greek fundamentals that can be attributed, I think, to why the West was so ascendant. And the upcoming fall, perhaps, can be at least partially linked to abandoning of those ideals and incursion of divisive and destructive ideas from elsewhere.
Giallo Corsa
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What lol
You don't think there will be a handful in this very thread that will have enjoyed it? It happens all the time
Shit, I want to see it out of sheer morbid curiousity and fascination. Hell, I could walk out thinking Polyphemus is some of the best practical effects I've ever seen. doubtful
This one's tricky…
Morbid curiosity is exactly why I'll end up watching it, but I'm definitely not giving Nolan my ticket money, this is the kind of movie I'll catch on a streaming platform and leave it at that.
Then again, there's basically zero chance of it being good or even enjoyable, considering how much it seems to deviate from and outright butcher Archaic Hellenic culture. A lot of us are probably going to nope out the moment the bullshit starts showing up, and judging from what little we've already seen, there's going to be plenty of it...
On top of that, I've never liked Nolan as a director in the first place. I think he's massively overrated - the kind of filmmaker whose movies get treated like profound masterpieces by mainstream audiences when, honestly, they really aren't.
I won't even say "we'll have to see," because based on the footage and details revealed so far, I genuinely can't find a single redeeming quality in this project.
I'm gonna watch it in IMAX, as I think there will be enough technical aspects to merit a viewing. I bet this will be the type of film experience that gets really robbed on a small screen. Nolan works best (for me) when he is unravelling a puzzle on screen with a lot of moving parts, not sure he can beat the Odyssey into that mold.
I just hope he has clear dialogue, though if "wait till my daddy gets home" is the level the script takes, not sure it will matter much.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
It will have a lot of modern dialogue, as well as every cast member mandated to use an American accent, even if they're not from the US.
The reason for this is because Nolan's vison heavily mirrors the philosophy of Emily Wilson and her translation.
For me personally, the modern spin completely takes me out of the film. Unfortunately it will be the first Nolan film that I'll be skipping at the cinema.
nkarafo
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If only Mel Gibson was interested in Greek Mythology, maybe this would be a thing.
Giallo Corsa
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Man, the amount of bootlicking in the comments on that video is genuinely embarrassing.
I'll say it again: Nolan is a fraud. In my view, he's one of the most overrated directors of the last two decades.
His entire shtick boils down to dressing up fairly simple ideas in a mountain of spectacle, deafening soundtracks and pseudo-intellectual nonsense, then watching people convince themselves they've witnessed some profound cinematic achievement.
What baffles me isn't even Nolan himself, it's the army of lemmings who treat every film he releases as the second coming of cinema. The guy could film paint drying in IMAX, throw in a few time jumps and exposition dumps and there'd still be thousands of people online calling it a masterpiece.
At some point, it feels less like appreciation and more like a cult of personality. Complexity isn't depth, confusion isn't intelligence and loud spectacle isn't automatically great filmmaking, yet every time Nolan releases a movie, you'd think he'd reinvented the medium.
He's just a slightly better Michael Bay and that's it
SJRB
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The actors (this is important: they're ACTORS) who worked with Chris Nolan on the movie they were hired to act in are telling what an honor it was to work with Chris Nolan on the movie they were hired to act in.
This is getting kind of sad.
NeoIkaruGAF
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Come on man, his films may not be that deep after all, but he's in a very different league than Michael Bay.
His notoriety undoubtedly got a tremendous boost from nailing a Batman reboot that was perfect for its time, and following it up with one of the best superhero movies of all time. But he's definitely made some enjoyable flicks.
I too think he's overrated, though. I especially don't think he's that great with history movies. Dunkirk was mostly memorable for just a couple of scenes, and I found Oppenheimer a mess of a movie that seems made to confuse modern spectators on purpose. His casting choices have saved and even elevated a lot of his movies so far, but The Odyssey may be the point where not even that can salvage the wreck.
Mengy
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I rather like most of Nolan's films. A few I'd even say are fantastic movies. In my opinion he's quite a bit better at film making than Michael Bay.
That said, he isn't a Spielberg. He misses now and then for me, and I think his soundtracks are way too loud compared to the rest of the sound scape in most of his films.
Also, Odyssey isn't grabbing my interest at all. It's the first film by him in a long time that I have zero interest in seeing.
Giallo Corsa
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I find that MB films are VERY re-watchable in ways Nolans, outside of the first 2 batman films, are not. Once you see the trick Nolan is putting on, the re-watchability is lessened and the films are often not that engaging otherwise. But MB just has a bombastic appeal IMHO and way more charismatic lead actors and interesting set pieces.
Insane Metal
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The casting for this movie is one of the worst I've ever seen.
Mengy
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I'm kind of the opposite. I find most Nolan films very rewatchable but I find most Bay films exhausting and hard to rewatch.
There are exceptions for me both ways though. I don't want to ever see Tenet again, but I can always enjoy The Rock or Bad Boys.
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nkarafo
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He got lucky with Heath Ledger turning one of his movies into a pop culture classic. Nolan's career exploded right after that.
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pel1300
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Such revisionist history. He already had Memento, Batman Begins, and The Prestige before 2008. He was already nominated for an oscar for Memento, which put him on the map. The Dark Knight was pretty much the most anticipated movie of 2008 BECAUSE Nolan had made a name for himself by then with Batman Begins pretty much reviving Batman movies.
Now to mention you have it so backwards - to say he got "lucky" with Heath Ledger, when everyone was calling it horrible casting. Ledger was cast because Nolan believed in him when everyone else didn't.
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Bojji
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Prestige is one of the best movies ever made. Nolan is a great director, I love most of his movies.
That's why what is happening with this movie is so "WTF?" to his fans.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
That's a you problem.
He's an award winning film maker. His films are rated very highly with critics and the vast majority of audiences.
That's not the definition of "fraud"
kpopSuperstar
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Oh, the film will be GREAT, but I will still be angry about it.
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
Giallo Corsa
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C'mon man, not the "critics love him/high-rated" typical argument...
Popular artists like Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Britney Spears and J.Bieber also have accolades. Does that mean we should all start listening to them ?
This, once again sums up my thoughts about Nolan :
Again, that's my personal opinion, you don't have to share it.
He's just a better, more "profound®" (aka pretentious ) Michael Bay IMO
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nkarafo
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I admit i haven't watched Memento yet. But any other movie i watched i thought was overrated, except the Dark Night because of Ledger alone. Interstellar, in particular, pissed me off because i'm a huge space nerd and i felt like i was being trolled.
Award winning or not, his movies disappointed me one after another. Not my fault and i really wanted to like them.
But hey, at least this means i don't have to waste my time and money with his new movie in hopes there's something good under the propaganda.
I will still watch Memento though.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I said critics and the vast majority of audiences rate him highly. Not just critics.
This means your opinion is in the minority.
Fair. At least I thought it was until I saw the next comment.
Comparing Nolan to Michael Bay is wild. Probably the most insane comment I've read on here.
It's so crazy that now I'm convinced you're rage baiting for shits and giggles.
Giallo Corsa
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Jesus Christ, man, I've been around here long enough that I don't need to resort to rage-baiting people, I leave that to the trolls/sock accounts...
Again, it's just my personal opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but there's no reason to get this worked up over it.
Bojji
Member
IMO Nolan is Great, but... every great director started producing shit at some point (unless they died before that). Maybe Odyssey is this moment for Nolan.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Lol. Calm. No need to get worked up. That's your opinion. It's a crazy opinion, but I respect you owning it.
I'm not getting worked up. I just pointed out your opinion is so wild that I thought you were shit posting.
Nolan isn't my favourite director anyway. That goes to Martin Scorsese. I think we can agree that man certainly isn't overrated.
Giallo Corsa
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Taxi driver
King of comedy
Raging bull
Mean streets
Good fellas (GOAT)
Casino
I'm not too fond of some of his later work (Gangs of NY/Hugo/Silence) but, he's DEFINITELY one of the best directors still in existence God bless his soul...
Not even in the same stratosphere as Nolan, the guy made FILMS, not spectacle disguised as films.
As for Michael Bay: yes, we all know exactly what he's about. That said, I'll always go to bat for Pain & Gain. It's genuinely fun, surprisingly well-acted, and far better than it gets credit for. Even a lot of Bay's "junk" output, like the first two Bad Boys movies, remain highly rewatchable. There's a certain late-'90s charm and naïveté to them that's hard not to appreciate (especially nowadays).
Bay has always been upfront about what he does: loud, bombastic spectacle. The funny thing is that, if you ask me, that's not all that different from what Nolan does and that's ultimately my issue with him, he doesn't make particularly thought-provoking cinema in the vein of directors like Claire Denis or Apichatpong Weerasethakul, yet the masses treat him as the second coming of film itself.
Cheers.