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[Simply Sami]

It is clearly not profitable and one of the reasons that a lot of their studios are in the red.

The subscription model does not work in gaming like it does for music and movies.

The new gears has cost 200m apparently. How are they going to recoup that without PS sales?

 

[mrqs]

Yes.

 

[Duchess]

They should just end Xbox.

 

[Fabieter]

Keep all the Studios and go fully 3p and they will make more money that way.

 

[PauloRoberto]

Im surprised that MS exec wasted years to realize somethign some forum users were able to see in a matter of minutes... GP does not work, because it is NOT sustainable!

 

[LordCBH]

The only correct answer is yes.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Any evidence that it's not profitable?

 

[R3TRO]

Yes and Yes with a side of yes.

 

[Sanepar]

Yes but make a poll OP

 

[jshackles]

Any evidence that it's not profitable?

you mean aside from the studio closures?

 

[Gaiff]

Any evidence that it's not profitable?

You're asking the wrong question.

 

[JORMBO]

Yes. But it is the only thing unique about their console at this point. If they do that they should just go full 3rd party (they should probably do that anyways).

 

[Kacho]

Yes.

 

[ValiantInstance]

They own the rights to a lot of games now. Just put those on Game Pass and end the day one scheme.

 

[squidilix]

No



I just want to watch the world burn

 

[R6Rider]

Yes but make a pool OP

This is no time to go swimming.

 

[kevboard]

the only gamepass tier they should keep is gamepass premium

remove Gamepass Essential, remove Ultimate.

make online MP free, run Gamepass Premium exactly like how Sony runs PS+ Premium

 

[MayauMiao]

Absolutely. It killed the value of the games.

 

[EchoByte]

they do that, the entire brand collapses. It's Xbox identity.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Gamepass is the biggest failure in gaming history. It's an embarrassment and a flop of epic proportions.

 

[Memati187]

What happened to the other half?

 

[Pop]

Xbox is probably ending

They do not have the goodwill or games to go full exclusive. They could end gamepass today, Xbox will still need to become a publisher for all platforms. They can not survive on the Xbox brand alone now

 

[Bonfires Down]

you mean aside from the studio closures?

Studios that have been shut down with or without Game Pass.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Going all in like they did , it didn't sit well with me. Early on you could see the trend of fans making excuses for poor ganes by saying "oh well it's free" and of course asking publishers "game pass?" regarding upcoming releases.

I fucking hate it to be honest, it has affected a lot of the games , the mindset of the consumer and the good of the platform.

 

[StueyDuck]

wait you guys keep it running.

i literally sub for the month a new game i want to play comes out, then i unsub until the next.

Why buy for $80 when you can rent for $10

 

[JMart100]

Should Microsoft end GamePass?

 

[Magic Carpet]

If they end Gamepass they end the only reason I go to the PC Xbox app.

 

[Mortisfacio]

Yes.

I'm going to put you down as undecided

 

[Mownoc]

Day one on gamepass does not work. Not with the amount they spend on game development and the amount they give to third parties for gamepass content.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Day one on gamepass does not work. Not with the amount they spend on game development and the amount they give to third parties for gamepass content.

Day one works for me as a gamer. But I think it would be better for MS to wait a year or more before releasing it on Gamepass.

 

[LordOcidax]

They should just end Xbox.

Sony not having competition is the best thing that could happen to us the PS5 owners…

 

[MayauMiao]

they do that, the entire brand collapses. It's Xbox identity.

Gamepass was never Xbox identity. OG Xbox didn't have it and so did the 360. It was a desperate measure to save the brand after the Xbone disaster.

 

[Generic]

It is clearly not profitable and one of the reasons that a lot of their studios are in the red.

The subscription model does not work in gaming like it does for music and movies.

The new gears has cost 200m apparently. How are they going to recoup that without PS sales?

No, it's great for consumers. If they end Gamepass Sony will end PS+ Extra/Premium too.

 

[Loomy]

Any evidence that it's not profitable?

*points in the general direction of Redmond, Washington*

No, it's great for consumers. If they end Gamepass Sony will end PS+ Extra/Premium too.

Not a chance in hell. Sony actually makes a good chunk of their G&S revenue from those

 

[Artistic]

they do that, the entire brand collapses. It's Xbox identity.

Not quite.

But didn't think things were this bad for the Xbox division.

 

[LectureMaster]

Yes.

 

[jshackles]

Studios that have been shut down with or without Game Pass.

Do you think Ninja Theory got better or worse under Microsoft's (and therefore the Game Pass) business model? We went from Heavenly Sword, Enslaved, and DmC to... Hellblade, then Hellblade II.

 

[Topher]

No, just make it more like PS+

 

[Big-G]

No

 

[Generic]

Absolutely. It killed the value of the games.

Games should be devaluated, they are insanely expensive.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

Day one works for me as a gamer.

But who are making games that you wanna play?

 

[Arsic]

At this point? Yes.

Once the price hike happened I bailed and even with the price going back down I'm not fucking with it again.

If you want the studio to exist they need game sales, not gamepass downloads.

 

[Simply Sami]

No, it's great for consumers. If they end Gamepass Sony will end PS+ Extra/Premium too.

How? Sony started the whole giving away games stuff and Sony don't bring their first party games until very late to their extra and premium tiers.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

No, it's great for consumers. If they end Gamepass Sony will end PS+ Extra/Premium too.

Lol. Sony doesn't add their 1st party games day one on their sub.

No, it's great for consumers.

It isn't great for consumers. Never was great for consumers. Just shows how they don't give a fuck about devs, but gamers wanna play games they make. Eh.

 

[Viruz]

The message was clear but xbox gonna xbox.

 

[Witchilich]

They should just leave gaming.

 

[Celcius]

YES get rid of it ASAP

 

[jshackles]

One part of "Game Pass" that definitely needs to die is the paid multiplayer part of the deal.

Sadly, that's like the most profitable part of Xbox as a brand at this point.

 

[Odinnii]

you mean aside from the studio closures?

The games didnt even hit internal engagemnet goals. i.e. nobody wanted that crap.

Do you think Ninja Theory got better or worse under Microsoft's (and therefore the Game Pass) business model? We went from Heavenly Sword, Enslaved, and DmC to... Hellblade, then Hellblade II.

As fas I know Ninja Theory and other studio chose to waste MS's money non-commercially viable products. Maybe MS was partially responsible for greenlighting those games but it's still the studio's fault too.

I mean FFs who was asking for 3 Senua games.

 

[Fbh]

The only way a gaming subscription makes financial sense to me is treating it like a way to get some extra revenue from your old shit that's not selling anymore. Like what cable used to be for movies.

You release for $60-70, then after some months you give it a 20-30% discount every now and then, and then once sales have slowed significantly and you basically only move units by putting it on a deep sale you also go get some extra revenue by putting it on a subscription service.

No, it's great for consumers. If they end Gamepass Sony will end PS+ Extra/Premium too.

Why? It probably makes them a decent amount of cash.