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SETI has observed a strong signal that is Russian's that need funding
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This radio detection project seems like a waste of time to me.
I mean, on this planet, we've generated radio signals for ~120 years. That's a microscopic fragment of our history.
So we're assuming that there is a star out there, with a habitable planet at the relevative current light time distance (ie 95 years ago in this example), that is in detection range of SETI, that has an advanced civilisation living at the light time distance, that has discovered and is using and transmitting radio at the light time distance, etc etc.
I believe there is an abundance of life out there that, like on Earth, ranges from the microorganism to the intelligent life-form and beyond anything we could ever imagine. But given even our own history, I think the chances that we would detect extraterrestrial life form made radio signals are slim to none. They're too busy using dark matter to communicate with each other
I mean, on this planet, we've generated radio signals for ~120 years. That's a microscopic fragment of our history.
So we're assuming that there is a star out there, with a habitable planet at the relevative current light time distance (ie 95 years ago in this example), that is in detection range of SETI, that has an advanced civilisation living at the light time distance, that has discovered and is using and transmitting radio at the light time distance, etc etc.
I believe there is an abundance of life out there that, like on Earth, ranges from the microorganism to the intelligent life-form and beyond anything we could ever imagine. But given even our own history, I think the chances that we would detect extraterrestrial life form made radio signals are slim to none. They're too busy using dark matter to communicate with each other
I saw this earlier and while there are numerous caveats, it does feel like we might just be living in the age with the technological maturity that we will confirm the existence of others out there in the cosmos.
It started with the confirmation of exo planets and seeing us rack up a huge list of confirmed ones of varying sizes, to the recent discovery that our very closest neighbouring star features a planet in its stars habitable zone. 4.5 light years away. Yes it's not somewhere we could ever get to in our lifetimes and beyond, but knowing we have a massively powerful space telescope that could shed far more detail on these things, just a few years away from deployment, is tantalising.
And now this.
Honestly I feel like we could be alive during the time of the greatest shift in our mindsets we've ever seen as a species, as we confirm the existent of others similar to us out there. I imagine if we do discover a signal that it will contain information, probably even pictures and video of what these other people look like, what their world is like. Imagine that. As much as we're getting progressively backwards it seems like this could be the one thing that finally opens up everyone's eyes to the wonder and awe of the universe, and begin to leave petty fears aside. At worst humanity will come together in abject fear of this new, greater 'other' and we live in peace and harmony and lock and load ready for invasion, haha!
It started with the confirmation of exo planets and seeing us rack up a huge list of confirmed ones of varying sizes, to the recent discovery that our very closest neighbouring star features a planet in its stars habitable zone. 4.5 light years away. Yes it's not somewhere we could ever get to in our lifetimes and beyond, but knowing we have a massively powerful space telescope that could shed far more detail on these things, just a few years away from deployment, is tantalising.
And now this.
Honestly I feel like we could be alive during the time of the greatest shift in our mindsets we've ever seen as a species, as we confirm the existent of others similar to us out there. I imagine if we do discover a signal that it will contain information, probably even pictures and video of what these other people look like, what their world is like. Imagine that. As much as we're getting progressively backwards it seems like this could be the one thing that finally opens up everyone's eyes to the wonder and awe of the universe, and begin to leave petty fears aside. At worst humanity will come together in abject fear of this new, greater 'other' and we live in peace and harmony and lock and load ready for invasion, haha!
Vinyl?
To answer your question, it includes visual instructions on how to use it.
It's all moot, really, I imagine the record is completely unplayable by now, seeing as it's mounted to the outside of the probe. That, and the probe will take so long to get anywhere, we'll probably recover it and bring it back to Earth for a museum long before it gets anywhere. Even at their speeds, it would take thousands of years to reach even the closest star, and they're far too small, and space is far too large, for anyone to really notice them.
CrimzonSamurai
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It's made of gold-plated copper and designed to be playable for up to 1 billion years.
The real reason no one will ever find it is that it's final trajectory doesn't take it near any particular stars, with the one exception being a 1.6 light year distance pass from a red dwarf in 40,000 years, and then nothing for pretty much the rest of ever. Plus it won't be able to power any of its instruments and won't generate any outgoing detectable signals.
So, if anything it might be pushed out of the way by an alien spacecraft's particle deflection system or something. Nobody will ever actually notice it.
Still, it's fun to imagine.
Wow signal?
Pretty much. Unless they popped up on our doorstep all of a sudden...i'd say about a couple weeks worth of news reports and then back to business as usual.
Badlucktroll
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They are out there, but isn't it like spinning a roulette wheel and hoping we get lucky from a random patch of sky?
vonStirlitz
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What if that signal is like their vinyl record equivalent. Interstellar pop music from planet Zeta or something.
It was at Parkes. It wasn't because of the microwave being leaky, it was because it was old and had started producing radio spectrum signals. It wouldn't have been a problem because microwave ovens have Faraday cages but someone kept getting impatient and opening the door while it was still running. The emergency shutoff doesn't magically make the magnetron cycle down instantly so there was causing them to detect 250ms bursts of radio waves.
The paper on it is pretty interesting
Badlucktroll
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What if the solar system of HD164595 has a species that is similar to humans but a little more advanced, and KIC 8462852 has a species that is really super advanced and evil? and if we had a choice to contact one or the other, which would we choose?
I always wondered that somewhere out there, there is someone else out there staring back at our star wondering the same thing.
Insane Metal
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LOL, Boquete Telescope. Boquete is blow job in brazilian portuguese.
OT: this is nothing, apparently.
why would we want to contact an evil highly advanced civilization?
I mean... by all measurements we're probably a "super evil" civ.
Extra Sauce
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If there's a sewing machine in the haystack we should be able to find it pretty soon.
Also, sewing machines still have needles.
Extra Sauce
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There's nothing aliens could do to us that we aren't already doing to ourselves (slavery, genocide, making the planet uninhabitable), they'd just be far more efficient at it.
infinitys_7th
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My point is that we likely have no idea what technology 500 ahead of us might look like. We are looking for EM signals when a slightly older civilization, say 10,000 years ahead, may not be using EM. Just look at that other topic about a dark matter galaxy being discovered - maybe advanced civilizations use some force associated with dark matter which is as "dark" to us as electroweak is to dark matter? We don't have dark matter on Earth, so obviously we don't know it's properties beyond what we can observe of it (gravitation) and theoretize (strong force).
Most of the light from within our galaxy we see is at best many thousands of years old, and much, much older as we go to other galaxies. And we have been looking for...31 years, and sampling relative mLs to a vast ocean of EMF. I'm not expecting any reasonably acceptable conclusion from SETI either way for couple millenia. Sample size and all that.
infinitys_7th
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We ought to have put a beacon on it.
If the EM Drive works out, we could to set it up on a probe with a nuclear power source and an antenna and send it out. It would overtake Voyager relatively fast AND would actually attract attention if someone found it.
Also, won't Voyager be likely to get destroyed in the Oort Cloud anyway? NLS travel needs to hurry up if that future space museum wants its main display for its "20th Century" exhibit.
I guess that applies to the EM Drive probe too lol. Not going to get far - it's hard to signal in space.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I read the Wikipedia for this and wow. That overall plot is Asimov Sci Fi good.
PantherLotus
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I will never, ever believe any SETI result until it is observed, re-observed, and observed again by multiple sources. This is no exception.
The Oort cloud isn't like the Hoth asteroid belt. Even with the speculated amount of objects, it is so far out that, as NDT's Cosmos put it, each object is, on average, as far from its nearest neighbor as Earth is from Saturn. Sure, Voyager could get extraordinarily unlucky and smack into something, but it's far more likely that it never even gets close to anything.
And thus, the depressing reality that space really is empty and lifeless, for 99.99% of its expanse.
Even the rings of Saturn that look so solid are pretty much just ice crystals and dust, not giant chunks of rock constantly smashing into one another.
Aztechnology
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If it's intended to not be interpreted sure.
I just hope before I die we discover some kind of intelligent life. I know it's ridiculous to hope for. But I have a morbid fascination with finding out how we as humans react to that when it happens. Probably just denial etc. But also because I just want to see it myself.
Also that title change lol.
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Deleted member 80556
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Well, this thread certainly killed my expectations. Oh well.
You joke, but there's an SCP for this.
SCP-1947.
You joke, but there's an SCP for this.
SCP-1947.
lastplayed
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Just like the atom. Everything's mostly nothing.
If a Type II civilization wanted to fuck us we wouldn't even know it was coming. However the fuckery would be more of the "Ooops, I stepped on a worm" type. Type II means Dyson spheres, access to anti-matter and terraforming. There's is literally nothing a civilization like that may target us for.
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
Hopes, UP.
KurtSloane
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Which they state themselves is how they begin to determine if something warrants special investigation, never mind bringing it to anyone's attention ...... this was not from SETI.
Hyperspace motorway.
Morrigan Stark
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Kind of topical, HellBlazer and myself just made this interactive story/game for Ludum Dare... xD
http://ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-36/?action=preview&uid=29335
Spoiler, it's about alien detection and contact
http://ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-36/?action=preview&uid=29335
Spoiler, it's about alien detection and contact
or is it
"We send our condolences to the family of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and the people of the Austro-Hungarian empire. We only hope that peace can be maintained in these difficult times."
What datum is this measured against? For all we know, we could be fucking saints compared to everyone else out there, which is why we're so far behind technologically.
n0razi
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I think if we make contact, it wont be like that... u know with UFOs landing,etc... Similar to the amoebas analogy, an alien from a Type 3 civilization might fart and wipe out the milky way, etc.
TipsyArchmage
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What the fuck is the thread title trying to say? I know what the thread is about but I've been staring at it for the last 2 minutes and can't work out the title at all
chromatic9
Member
The apostrophe shouldn't be there. The title change is meant to imply that the Russians who reported the signal just want publicity and funding, so they whipped up a media frenzy around what SETI would consider a very routine bit of data.
The answer to questions are almost always aliens. But really it should be 190 years ago, the signal would have reach them.
Ah yes of course. The invention of electromagnets then.
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