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[SlimySnake]

Machine learning, eh?

Another FUD from the Next-Gen OT scratched off the list.

IIRC DF asked and were told by SSM that they used machine learning in their upscaling technique for Performance modes. Kinda like DLSS. DF was very impressed with the results. I noticed a lot of Shimmering in the 60 fps modes that i dont see in DLSS games, but its interesting to see devs already experimenting with the machine learning support in the PS5 which it was supposedly lacking.

 

[DeepEnigma]

IIRC DF asked and were told by SSM that they used machine learning in their upscaling technique for Performance modes. Kinda like DLSS. DF was very impressed with the results. I noticed a lot of Shimmering in the 60 fps modes that i dont see in DLSS games, but its interesting to see devs already experimenting with the machine learning support in the PS5 which it was supposedly lacking.

It was never lacking, Sony just doesn't market too many buzzwords 99% of the gaming populace doesn't understand.

Love it or hate it. We always have to wait for their developer deep dives and GDCs outside of main machine changes and selling points (I/O SSD, etc).

They never get too deep beyond that.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Judging by the video in your link nvidia are upscaling from lower res assets (so smaller file sizes) and doing it in 1.x ms vs 9.x ms with maybe better end results texture detail wise.

It's the same goal using a similar method. Nvidia is simply doing side-by-side comparisons using low-quality texture output at ISO file size as comparison because it looks better as marketing material.

Santa Monica's presentation is using same-quality output for lower file size which is the usual method for benchmarking compression solutions.

As for the times you mentioned, they're for different things. On Nvidia's example it's adding 1ms to the total frametime. On Santa Monica's solution it's taking 9ms of one ALU to upscale a texture from 2K to 4K. They're not saying how much this contributes to frametime because it obviously runs in parallel with a bunch of other things.

 

[Physiognomonics]

IIRC DF asked and were told by SSM that they used machine learning in their upscaling technique for Performance modes. Kinda like DLSS. DF was very impressed with the results. I noticed a lot of Shimmering in the 60 fps modes that i dont see in DLSS games, but its interesting to see devs already experimenting with the machine learning support in the PS5 which it was supposedly lacking.

It was NXGamer who asked one of the dev in an interview and then talked about that in his video. AFAIK DF never talked about that in any of their content about the game.

 

[hlm666]

As for the times you mentioned, they're for different things. On Nvidia's example it's adding 1ms to the total frametime. On Santa Monica's solution it's taking 9ms of one ALU to upscale a texture from 2K to 4K. They're not saying how much this contributes to frametime because it obviously runs in parallel with a bunch of other things.

If the tensor cores can indeed run concurrently they should be able to be deployed on this type of technique without taking a gpu hit. I'm guessing seeing the metrics are different as you mentioned nvidia are processing all textures for the frame where this method seems to use the unprocessed textures until they are filtered in the background?

 

[mckmas8808]

Isnt the point to use better quality textures without them costing disk space?

If we arent seeing better textures then whats the point? Just use the same textures, they wouldve taken the same amount of space.

Not really.

 

[SmokedMeat]

So Nvidia's Revolutionary Neural Textures presented for the first time two weeks ago in tech demos that were going to change the world... had actually been preceded by a software implementation from Santa Monica and put into a shipping title half a year before, running on RDNA2 hardware without the need for dedicated tensor units.

You can see a visual difference in Nvidia’s Neural Textures.

You’re lying to yourself if you think you can see an obvious difference in the Sony shots.

 

[jroc74]

Machine learning, eh?

Another FUD from the Next-Gen OT scratched off the list.

This should have died months ago.

On a similar note, this flew completely under the radar:


The beginning is running in real time on a PS5.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

You’re lying to yourself if you think you can see an obvious difference in the Sony shots.

Sure, I'm the one lying to myself.

In page 25:

 

[Drizzlehell]

I legit feel like I'm being trolled.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[ChiefDada]

Always great to see new tech being utilized for optimization.

It was NXGamer who asked one of the dev in an interview and then talked about that in his video. AFAIK DF never talked about that in any of their content about the game.

Lol they actually did talk about it albeit indirectly during a DF Direct episode. John and Alex were discussing their analysis and they found it interesting that the performance mode shots often times looked better than the native 4k mode. "Huh, that's interesting" with no care to follow up with the developer to learn what's going on. You know, what one would typically expect from a tech channel at their level. Typical DF. Smh.

 

[Neilg]

For everyone shitting on this, it's a pretty early first step, but it's got real results. The long term goal of using less disk space and having more available memory is to fill it back up with cool shit.

I'm really excited for Nvidia neural VDB -


The only thing holding games back from relying more on pre-cached high-detail volumetric assets/simulations is the amount of disk space they take up.

 

[akaFullmetal]

 

[SmokedMeat]

Sure, I'm the one lying to myself.

Ok, that example does look good.

 

[ChiefDada]

Is this one of those?

9/10. If you don' reveal the final difference I'm going to scream.

 

[Cobbet]

9/10. If you don' reveal the final difference I'm going to scream.

The rabbits tail.

 

[ChiefDada]

The rabbits tail.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

This should have died months ago.

On a similar note, this flew completely under the radar:


The beginning is running in real time on a PS5.

The live capture then the live rendering is damn impressive !

 

[Shh]

This should have died months ago.

On a similar note, this flew completely under the radar:


The beginning is running in real time on a PS5.

That is absolutely insane.

 

[Deerock71]

BRB trying to enhance my concentration to notice the difference.

 

[Justin9mm]

Is this one of those?

The Scarfe
The flying Bird
Bows on kite
The Pumpkin Stem
Owl's feathers
Colour of leaf on ground near the bear
Tip of fox tail
Tail of Rabbit removed
Leaf hanging from tree on left

Now I'm going crazy because I can't spot the 10th one lol

 

[SABRE220]

...Damn its very hard to see a difference..

 

[mrmustard]

The Scarfe
The flying Bird
Bows on kite
The Pumpkin Stem
Owl's feathers
Colour of leaf on ground near the bear
Tip of fox tail
Tail of Rabbit removed
Leaf hanging from tree on left

Now I'm going crazy because I can't spot the 10th one lol

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/real-time-neural-texture-upsampling-in-god-of-war-ragnarok-on-ps5.1656558/post-267944835

 

[John Wick]

Machine learning, eh?

Another FUD from the Next-Gen OT scratched off the list.

C'mon mate you know MS waited for the full RDNA2 spec and Sony only got 1.5 even though AMD claims PS5 is RDNA2 based.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Machine learning, eh?

Another FUD from the Next-Gen OT scratched off the list.

But it's not true real machine learning. It's the fake kind.

 

[GymWolf]

This should have died months ago.

On a similar note, this flew completely under the radar:


The beginning is running in real time on a PS5.

These looks more like real humans than lizzo.

 

[Justin9mm]

9/10. If you don' reveal the final difference I'm going to scream.

I got 9 and missed the rake but the 10th difference in this one is the rabbit tail is in the top picture and not in the bottom.

 

[Justin9mm]

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So I missed the rake! He missed the rabbit tail