Rocco Schiavone
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Should be 5090 performance.
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RDNA 5 line up and performance expectations
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1C90XT, most definitely over.
1C70XT will be fairly close in raster, even closer in RT.
I wonder what NVIDIA tech my great, great, great grand kids will be playing when those release.
Edit: Misread your model, thought you were going for 1C090XT.... But ya. AMD isn't getting close to 5090. They keep skipping halo GPUs like with this gen.
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Don't put extra 0 in there. C mean 100 in Roman Numerals.
CoreyFlawless
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Everything looks fine besides the prices. Add 200-300 for each one. Ram prices getting worse
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Gently coaxed from my ass. Gently coaxed...
winjer
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Some features would be nice, such as Opacity Micromaps, Displaced Micro-Mesh, Mega Geometry, Triangle Cluster Intersection for RT, Linear Swept Spheres, Shader Execution Reordering, Neural Shaders / Cooperative Vectors, improved Ray Regeneration, full pipelined neural memory compression.
This is completely wrong.
AT4 dGPU WILL 99% NOT EXIST FOR GAMING
AT3 dGPU WILL 100% NOT EXIST FOR GAMING
Why? Because AT3 MINIMUM Memory config is 32GB of Ultra Premium LPDDR6. The least they can sell that for is 800$.
AT4 it's below Navi33 and the minimum memory config is 16GB of LPDDR5X; Where they will need to buy the highest bin LPDDR5X for it. for a Navi 33 victim forget about it.
THAT Aside, this is the actual lineup:
RX 1070 GRE (AT2) -
44 CU @ 3.2 GHz
215W
12GB 128bit GDDR7-36Gbps 576 GB/s
~105% raster/RT of RTX 4070 Ti
$499
RX 1070 (AT2) -
48 CU @ 3.2 GHz
235W
15GB 160bit GDDR7-36Gbps 720 GB/s
~103% raster/RT of RTX 4070 Ti SUPER
$549
RX 1070 XT (AT2) -
64 CU @ 3.2 GHz
275W
18GB 192bit GDDR7-36Gbps 864 GB/s
~100% raster/RT of RTX 5080
$649
RX 1080 (AT0) -
WILL 70-90% NOT RELEASE FOR GAMERS
152 CU @ 2.6 GHz
380W
36GB 384bit GDDR7-36Gbps 1.7TB/s
~95% Raster/RT of RTX 5090
$
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I like the thread engagement. I dont jibe your logic nor details.This is completely wrong.
AT4 dGPU WILL 99% NOT EXIST FOR GAMING
AT3 dGPU WILL 100% NOT EXIST FOR GAMING
Why? Because AT3 MINIMUM Memory config is 32GB of Ultra Premium LPDDR6. The least they can sell that for is 800$.
AT4 it's below Navi33 and the minimum memory config is 16GB of LPDDR5X; Where they will need to buy the highest bin LPDDR5X for it. for a Navi 33 victim forget about it.
THAT Aside, this is the actual lineup:
RX 1070 GRE (AT2) -
44 CU @ 3.2 GHz
215W
12GB 128bit GDDR7-36Gbps 576 GB/s
~105% raster/RT of RTX 4070 Ti
$499
RX 1070 (AT2) -
48 CU @ 3.2 GHz
235W
15GB 160bit GDDR7-36Gbps 720 GB/s
~103% raster/RT of RTX 4070 Ti SUPER
$549
RX 1070 XT (AT2) -
64 CU @ 3.2 GHz
275W
18GB 192bit GDDR7-36Gbps 864 GB/s
~100% raster/RT of RTX 5080
$649
RX 1080 (AT0) -
WILL 99% NOT RELEASE FOR GAMERS
152 CU @ 2.6 GHz
380W
36GB 384bit GDDR7-36Gbps 1.7TB/s
~95% Raster/RT of RTX 5090
$
RX 1080 XT (AT0) -
WILL 100% NOT RELEASE FOR GAMERS
184 CU @ 2.9 GHz
600W
48/128GB 512bit GDDR7-36Gbps 2.3TB/s
~115% Raster/RT of RTX 5090
$
But I love the effort!
Gaiff
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AMD always had stupid naming schemes. NVIDIA has kept the same one since GTX 200, only replacing the G with an R.
AMD changes it every other generation.
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Bojji
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And they named the latest cards 90x0 - where do you go from that?
They will have to reset the naming system again, so stupid... (same with the CPUs)
What I posted is the AMD desktop lineup on the roadmap for AMD.
That's what they are planning to release.
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OMG show us. I wanna see.
It's public information, posted by MLID.
90 / 99% refers to parametric harvesting. But the rest is straightforward. You can see there is only 4 planned gaming SKUs. One with AT0 and three with AT2.
AT3 / AT4 are designed for Medusa Halo and Medusa Premium. They can be used as dGPUs, but they only make sense as AI dGPUs. Basically if you're using LPDDR, it's a memory capacity play. Gaming on the other hand doesn't need 32GB on cards barely beating RTX 5060 Ti.
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Jeez, I thought you had something new. This is ooooolllld. MLiD literally leaked stuff hat supplanted this chart.It's public information, posted by MLID.
90 / 99% refers to parametric harvesting. But the rest is straightforward. You can see there is only 4 planned gaming SKUs. One with AT0 and three with AT2.
AT3 / AT4 are designed for Medusa Halo and Medusa Premium. They can be used as dGPUs, but they only make sense as AI dGPUs. Basically if you're using LPDDR, it's a memory capacity play. Gaming on the other hand doesn't need 32GB on cards barely beating RTX 5060 Ti.
The chart hasn't changed. The only change is that AT0 Gaming is no longer on the roadmap for gaming.
You have to separate MLID's mindless AMD cheerleading from what he is actually leaking.
To cut the truth from fiction.
AT3/4 dGPU Gaming SKUs aren't real.
Even theoretically speaking, AT3/4 Gaming don't make sense.
Again, AT2 with 15GB 160b G7 costs a lot less than AT3 with 32GB LPDDR6. It ALSO PERFORMS A LOT BETTER. Like 40-45% better.
Remember also that a 48CU cut of AT2 has 96ROPs. But 48CU AT3 has 64ROPs. That's a very significant difference.
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I dont know why you keep insisting LPDDR6 as a must. Its an option for AT3. MLiD update had both LPDDR5X @ 356bit bus and LPDDR6 @ 384bit bus.
Also, Helix uses AT2. It has 68 active CUs from 70 CU die. 48 CU is an ancient version from old ass roadmap. Things definitely got updated.
MLiD updated RDNA 5 leaks multiple times since that old chart he leaked that you keep holding on to for dear life. He got updated leaks from same sources that gave him that chart.
He has said AT4 is entry card and AT3 is 10060XT. If that's not correct, his sources would have contacted him. The sane sources that got him that chart in the first place!
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You really don't get it ha?
The minimum memory capacity for a 256b LP5X | 384b LP6 is 32GB. The issue is that 32GB is too god damn much for 9070 GRE performance.
And if it's LP5X, it's going to be RTX 4070 performance.
Do you think that RTX 4070 ~ RX 9070 GRE performance is compelling enough to sell for 700-800$ to gamers? LMAO. 4070 Ti at 799$ was a tough pill to swallow in 2022……
Or they can give you RTX 4070 Ti performance at 500$ with 12GB GDDR7.
it's not complicated.
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WUT.
256 bit is 8 x 32bit. 2GB modules x8 is 16GB. 16GB is not 32GB? Am I nuts or R U NUTS?
Sooooo..... Apple didn't achieve 1TB+/s on thrir Mac Studio with their LPDDR5X is what you are saying, is that right?
I think its too complicated for you is what I think.
Apple has a 1024bit LPDDR5X bus on M3 Ultra. That 1TB BW is achieved with a capacity of 512GB LPDDR5X and a price tag north of 7k from what I recall.
AMD has a 128b LP5X / 192b LP6 bus on AT4. And a 256b LP5X / 384b LP6 bus on AT3.
Mac Studio and RX 1050 XT aren't in the same universe as products.
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You can't do this shit. it's 6/8/12GB/etc as options for 64b LP5X / 96b LP6. 8GB is more cost effective than 6GB and thus 6GB can barely be used. Furthermore, AMD needs top bin LP5X, 99% of that will be 8GB and up.
Have you seen a single 16GB Strix Halo Laptop? That's my point.
The entire point of LPDDR5X/6 is that it's a lot of capacity, slow and energy efficient.
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Thanks for looking up what we already know. Doesn't change the fact that you said 4070 perfirmanxe was limit for LPDDR5X.
You also said sone horseshit about 32GB being minimum or 256bit bus. You should tell Sony to recall all PS5 because they scammed 16GB from all their customers.
AT4 is 128 bit LODDR5X only.
No shit. But I had to use extreme example to turn on that cracked lightbulb in your head.
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There's LPDDR5X with only one 16Gbit die per package. 8 of those = 16GB on a 256-bit bus.
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Watch him pivot. Its hilarious lolThere's LPDDR5X with only one 16Gbit die per package. 8 of those = 16GB on a 256-bit bus.
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it's the limit for LP5X AT3.
For 10.7 Gbps LPDDR5X ! (24GB is technically possible, not cost effective)
Uses GDDR6! Not LPDDR5X!
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I am not going to when you're both wrong and proposing meme sci-fi configs.
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Wolzard
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You can't be serious. The RDNA 4 took a long time to appear on the Steam Hardware Survey, and even then, the numbers were quite modest. The RDNA 4 had a price cut when all electronics went up in price.
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Oh no. They have lower price. Thats terrible.
BatW, are you saying there are more 50 series on Steam survey than RDNA 4? Receipts plz.
Rocco Schiavone
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Just like the price, which is based on the organ trade.
winjer
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5000 Series
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070: 3.11%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060: 2.66%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Laptop GPU: 2.33%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti: 2.15%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti: 1.68%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080: 1.47%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Laptop GPU: 0.59%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090: 0.41%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Laptop GPU: 0.39%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5050 Laptop GPU: 0.31%
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5050: 0.20%
AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series
- AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT: 1.27%
- AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT: 0.74%
- AMD Radeon RX 9070: 0.17%
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No eonder Jensen treats gamers like shit. They keep giving him money no matter what.
I mean, 5070 over 9070? Cray...