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For reference:

The PS4 launched at $399 and 3 years later the PS4 Pro launched at $399 with 2.27 times the performance of the PS4.

The PS5 launched at $499 and 4 years later the PS5 Pro launched at $779 (disc drive included) with 1.7 times the performance of the PS5.

All prices adjusted for inflation (using NA prices and rounded because rounding numbers rules):

The PS4 launched at $540 and 3 years later, the PS4 Pro launched at $520 with 2.27 times the performance of the PS4.

The PS5 launched at $605 and 4 years later the PS5 Pro launched at $780 (disc drive included) with 1.7 times the performance of the PS5.

So, from a -$20 w/PS4 to PS4 Pro to a +$175 w/PS5 to PS5 Pro? Yeah, that's.... not good.

NOTE: Apologies if I got my maths wrong. I am not a maths person.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Reminder that Bloodborne will still run at 30FPS lmao

 

[LordBlodgett]

I understand that inflation has been a bitch the last few years, but I think this is the first console generation to have prices going up as the years go by, rather then consoles dropping in price..........I expected the Pro to come in at $599 and the standard console to drop by $100 or so. I know they are getting lower prices on the silicon at this point, but they are not passing on any of those savings back to us. This is 100% on not having serious console competition. My decision to move to PC continues to pay off, but I wish that weren't the case.......

 

[aclar00]

The price is because some of you douches (i mean this in a humorous way) paid $200 for the damn portal, kept PS+ after the price increase, bought a controller just yesterday after the price increase, bought the digital only console, bought the console after the price increases, bought Astro at full retail price without VR add-on or couch co-op and bought fucking Concord!

Ok rant over. I was slightly considering getting one even though i skipped the PS4 pro, but this makes it easier. Even with the disc drive i couldnt justify $700, but not having one makes it all the easier given that 80% of my games are physical and def not paying $800.

Not this one Sony, not today!

They unfortunately have made it easier for me not to spend my money...kind of sucks, but as they continue to increase prices on everything it just turns me off...unfortunately it makes things worse for 3rd party games too, as i have less incentive to pay full retail.

Edit: I game on a 1080p TV so technically, shouldn't their be a mode for me already that combines fidelity and performance mode (a la base PS5) for 1080p resolution?

 

[Banjo64]

I understand that inflation has been a bitch the last few years, but I think this is the first console generation to have prices going up as the years go by, rather then consoles dropping in price..........I expected the Pro to come in at $599 and the standard console to drop by $100 or so. I know they are getting lower prices on the silicon at this point, but they are not passing on any of those savings back to us. This is 100% on not having serious console competition. My decision to move to PC continues to pay off, but I wish that weren't the case.......

Read an earlier post where someone compared the PS5 Pro favourably to the Steam Deck Oled. All I can say is for £470 the Deck Oled has given me the best month of gaming I’ve had in years and this ecosystem isn’t nickel and diming me for everything I have.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Very steep price, but I'll end up getting it.

Hoping for CP 2077, BG3 and FF XVI patches since I've been delaying them because of PS5 Pro.

 

[akaFullmetal]

700 is a bit of sticker shock. A little out of my budget. I was planning to get the pro and give my brother my PS5. Might need to see if he'll buy it for 200 or something.

 

[Kuranghi]

Was gonna put this in the PS5 $100 thread but its been deleted:

Now that PC gaming has been in such a sorry state - undefeatable frame-pacing/stuttering issues being bad enough, let alone just broken ports that can't run close to even locked 60fps on the highest end cards on any settings - for so long now AND nVidia GPU prices seem to be permanently in lala land going forward I have little interest in it anymore.

I absolutely love PC gaming, all the benefits it provides, of which there are so many to me, since I'm a big tweaking IQ pedant... but whats the point when the games don't even work properly no matter what you do?

Its not just big releases either I had 3 or 4 indie games in a row ruined by indie devs fundamental misunderstanding of how the Unity Engine (or some plugin they are using) works leaving me with different but similar stuttering issues. I spent literally dozens of hours trying to fix them and even worked directly with the devs and the end result was often that the devs themselves didn't know what was wrong and/or they ended up taking a hissy fit and blaming me when I've spoken to many others with the same problem who had vastly different and more modern HW than me and were running earlier or later Windows versions which eliminates it from just being a problem unique to my system.

Also HDR is often giving me problems (outside of programming/artistic failures) on Windows (10) that I don't get with console, another massive annoyance.

So £699 does seem like a lot for a console based on previous prices, but then look at current GPU prices and it doesn't seem nearly as bad to me. I'd pay up to £999 if it was promising native 4K@60fps with settings at least as high as the best looking PS5 games we see now or wowing RT/lighting/physics or some other graphical thing that sets it apart.

That sounds insane for a console but rn if I want to get a 4080 Ti + future-proofed CPU and lots of SSD space, etc in a PC system I have to spend nearly £3000 - £3500 for a 4090 - So when I look at it like that its not really a crazy amount of money if I get what I want, which is native 4K@60fps for 4-6 years from when I buy it.

 

[Paasei]

I have a decent PC, but I can still think of plenty of reasons I still would want one. I also don't play PC games on a 4K TV, nor do I currently have a 4K Blu-ray player.

Yeah well. All I can say is that I understand the struggle you’re facing. As long as it’s worth it for you, that’s all that matters.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

This is weird. With every console release, you see a variety of reactions, but this one seems to be predominantly negative everywhere I've looked.

Yup, pretty safe to say this one is gonna bomb. I'd say it gets about 10% of the player base this time around (whereas PS4 pro had like %20). Gonna make it very difficult to incentivize PS5 Pro updates for many games.

 

[Little Mac]

I know about the increase to 2TB storage, but is there any confirmation on an ssd expansion slot on the Pro? I already bought a 2TB WD Black SSD for my PS5 Slim.

 

[Snake29]

Was gonna put this in the PS5 $100 thread but its been deleted:

Now that PC gaming has been in such a sorry state - undefeatable frame-pacing/stuttering issues being bad enough, let alone just broken ports that can't run close to even locked 60fps on the highest end cards on any settings - for so long now AND nVidia GPU prices seem to be permanently in lala land going forward I have little interest in it anymore.

I absolutely love PC gaming, all the benefits it provides, of which there are so many to me, since I'm a big tweaking IQ pedant... but whats the point when the games don't even work properly no matter what you do?

Its not just big releases either I had 3 or 4 indie games in a row ruined by indie devs fundamental misunderstanding of how the Unity Engine (or some plugin they are using) works leaving me with different but similar stuttering issues. I spent literally dozens of hours trying to fix them and even worked directly with the devs and the end result was often that the devs themselves didn't know what was wrong and/or they ended up taking a hissy fit and blaming me when I've spoken to many others with the same problem who had vastly different and more modern HW than me and were running earlier or later Windows versions which eliminates it from just being a problem unique to my system.

Also HDR is often giving me problems (outside of programming/artistic failures) on Windows (10) that I don't get with console, another massive annoyance.

So £699 does seem like a lot for a console based on previous prices, but then look at current GPU prices and it doesn't seem nearly as bad to me. I'd pay up to £999 if it was promising native 4K@60fps with settings at least as high as the best looking PS5 games we see now or wowing RT/lighting/physics or some other graphical thing that sets it apart.

That sounds insane for a console but rn if I want to get a 4080 Ti + future-proofed CPU and lots of SSD space, etc in a PC system I have to spend nearly £3000 - £3500 for a 4090 - So when I look at it like that its not really a crazy amount of money if I get what I want, which is native 4K@60fps for 4-6 years from when I buy it.

I also love pc gaming and my whole setup with my desk. But when you look at people buying these overpriced GPU's, you ask yourself for what? What are they playing that they need these GPU's? Majority of them aren't even using the full potential of these GPU's. Then you see they play games that already are running more then 100fps on their pc, but they just need that extra GPU power.

In the end, it's the same with the Pro. It's just for the extra power for exising games but more important for new game releases which can use the full power of it. In the end we will see games on the Pro that can outperform pretty beefy PC setups and people will look stupid.

 

[onQ123]

Not concerned with the actual price but curious about the manufacturing cost because it seems they do not want to take the hit on the initial sells like they normally would.


They must be planning to sell a lot more of these than the PS4 Pro.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

PS5 Pro + PSVR2 combo will be like this generation’s Genesis + SegaCD + 32X

 

[R6Rider]

PS5 Pro + PSVR2

 

[Justin9mm]

The price is because some of you douches (i mean this in a humorous way) paid $200 for the damn portal, kept PS+ after the price increase, bought a controller just yesterday after the price increase, bought the digital only console, bought the console after the price increases, bought Astro at full retail price without VR add-on or couch co-op and bought fucking Concord!

Ok rant over. I was slightly considering getting one even though i skipped the PS4 pro, but this makes it easier. Even with the disc drive i couldnt justify $700, but not having one makes it all the easier given that 80% of my games are physical and def not paying $800.

Not this one Sony, not today!

They unfortunately have made it easier for me not to spend my money...kind of sucks, but as they continue to increase prices on everything it just turns me off...unfortunately it makes things worse for 3rd party games too, as i have less incentive to pay full retail.

Edit: I game on a 1080p TV so technically, shouldn't their be a mode for me alreasy that combines fidelity and performance mode (a la PS5) for 1080p resolution?

^Exactly! I been saying all along how Portal is Sony price gouging with their big ego along with other price increases. And once they realised how much ppl were willing to pay for a PS5 from scalpers to get one, they priced this to see what they will get away with and guess what, it's still going to sell like hotcakes because their a vast majority of people that will lap up every little thing Sony puts out.

 

[PuppetMaster]

This is gonna sellout regardless

Rather they start wit

How do you have the nerve to show this console with THAT fucking price point with NO new games or even showing any game taking full advantage of it.

Also, the YEN price converted to USD is $834! Can't make this shit up.

This is hilariously bad.

The yen price includes the 10% VAT sales tax in Japan. Because it is legally required to show the price including the tax.

But ya they are basically factoring for an exchange of 155 yen to a dollar. Which is where it was at in July literally just a few weeks ago. (Probably when this pricing decision was made).

 

[Judge Magister]

PS5 Pro + PSVR2

Full GT7 experience for just €1399.98

*Game not included
*Plus Subscription Required
*Some other stuff sold separately

 

[MisterXDTV]

I know about the increase to 2TB storage, but is there any confirmation on an ssd expansion slot on the Pro? I already bought a 2TB WD Black SSD for my PS5 Slim.

I think that's a given, the design is basically a copy of PS5 Slim

 

[yansolo]

lol disc drive sold separately, get out of here

 

[TrebleShot]

I see the brokies didn't take this well.

Console looks sick.

On the high end of the price but the rog ally x costs the same so we move.

 

[Gaelyon]

Well the good news is prices can only go down from now. Right ?

 

[Synless]

Did Cerny age ten years since the last video he put out or what?

 

[Fake]

Did Cerny age ten years since the last video he put out or what?

Concord do those things to people. Its like the one ring.

 

[Inviusx]

So basically between now and November 7th we're just going to be reading waves and waves of posts from people complaining about price until magically everyone has bought there's on day one and price is never mentioned again? Cool, maybe time for a gaf break until November 8th.

 

[Synless]

PS5 Pro + PSVR2 combo will be like this generation’s Genesis + SegaCD + 32X

People said this about PS4Pro and psvr1 as well and it did just fine.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

People said this about PS4Pro as well and it did just fine.

PS5 pro could sell less than 5 million units and be just fine

The pro updates get integrated into PS6 BC

So even if you don’t get a PS5 Pro because it isn’t worth it to you, the entire userbase eventually benefits

Its just an enthusiast option, not a necessity standalone platform

 

[Ceadeus]

there are upcoming games?

I'm playing astrobot and it's awesome. The thing is, I'm wondering if the game celebrates PlayStation or if it's an homage to every abandoned Sony IP

 

[SirTerry-T]

Did Cerny age ten years since the last video he put out or what?

It's all those fanboys who insisted he "get in the tub" or whatever shit that was. Poor guys' wrinkled up like a prune.

 

[Salty Pickle]

4090 cant keep solid 60 even at 720p coz matrix demo isnt optimised, got stutters/compiles shaders and got streaming issues, basically devteam focused on console optimisation and not pc optimisation.

ff16 in perf mode drops to horribly low res and still cant hold 60 on ps5, so yup, cpu is at fault, maybe ps5pr0 will help here a bit but dunno about stable 60.
topend pc can bruteforce it tho

If it drops res then it’s a GPU limitation and not CPU.

 

[Melon Husk]

Feels like the Pro would have been cancelled without Cerny

Full GT7 experience for just €1399.98

*Game not included
*Plus Subscription Required
*Some other stuff sold separately