Nothing new. Their decompression implementation looks at least 3x worse than Sony. Probably my /s was too disguised...
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NVIDIA announces RTX I/O - PCIe 4.0, on-GPU storage decompression, collaberating with Microsoft on DirectStorage
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Nothing new. Their decompression implementation looks at least 3x worse than Sony. Probably my /s was too disguised...
megreotsugua
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Gpu decompression is not new though. What is exactly new with the new cards that hasn't been done before? I would guess it's the better software support.
It only shows decompression using the gpu though (which is not new), but what about data management, check-in, etc.?
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DonJuanSchlong
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I honestly wasn't expecting DOUBLE the performance in a single generation like that. But pricing was a mental mind fuck. I can't wait to witness the salt mines from our strongest warriors on this site, that always troll PC based threads.
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jimbojim
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What is the decompression number for Nvidia I/O? Is it over 14GB/s or something i mixed up?
Robot Carnival
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looking on Newegg, with a Ryzen 7 3700 8 core 3.6GHz CPU and everything that goes into it. it'll run me $1200 or so without the 3080. I can probably cut that price down another $300 or so if I use my old power supply and SSDs. might just wait til Black Friday to see if I can get some good deals first.
M1chl
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Well something aint right, what is your components. It's same think as my update with 3900x and Asus X570-E in the beginning of this year.
DonJuanSchlong
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Actually no he was saying that using the same method that Microsoft used to say that they had 25TF when using ray-tracing they get 69TF of ray-tracing .
I think they can go pretty high. Like 50GB/sec or more. If needed.
But PC drives will max out at 7GB/sec for now.
DarkestHour
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Who ever said it didn't? SSD has been one of the best things you can do to your computer for the past 10 years.
LordOfChaos
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Interesting that we essentially heard him agree with the next gen console vision. CPUs would become a bottleneck for SSDs this fast, a fast gen 4 SSD could use up to 24 cores and would be increasingly important for next gen games, and a solution to these problems.
Their performance range for next gen is also in tune with Cerny's numbers for the PS5, just somewhat over its 5.5GB/s raw at 7GB/s, 9 typical up to 20 max compared to 14GB/s stated compressed. The vision is surprisingly close to what Sony laid out.
Their performance range for next gen is also in tune with Cerny's numbers for the PS5, just somewhat over its 5.5GB/s raw at 7GB/s, 9 typical up to 20 max compared to 14GB/s stated compressed. The vision is surprisingly close to what Sony laid out.
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ZywyPL
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So there goes all the console's supposed edge and superiority. Except those cards will actually be able to process all that data in less that 16ms, MUCH less actually it seems. However that 200GB number looks scary, we were promised lower game sizes due to no duplicated data, but by the looks of it, a 1TB will be able to hold just a few next-gen AAA titles at once :/
LordOfChaos
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I just keep wondering about the carved marble stove range backing.
Why is the first step to everything always getting rich?
cryogenic7
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sigh
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BlueXImpulse
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I don’t see why 4.0 would be needed
martino
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dev blog about directstorage
devblogs.microsoft.com
DirectStorage is coming to PC - DirectX Developer Blog
Earlier this year, Microsoft showed the world how the Xbox Series X, with its portfolio of technology innovations, will introduce a new era of no-compromise gameplay. Alongside the actual console announcements, we unveiled the Xbox Velocity Architecture, a key part of how the Xbox Series X will...
devblogs.microsoft.com
Spukc
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He makes a lot of bullshit cakes.
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Rikkori
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Guys, ofc the comparison is misleading re # of CPU cores. It's like talking about RT performance when you run it without RT cores. It would obviously never be done in that way because it's stupid, so it's an irrelevant number given purely for marketing purposes (no different than when they brag about how much faster 2080 is than 1080 Ti... with ray tracing). That being said, they obviously have a smart solution in place and spoiler alert: was possible with much older GPUs as well, because they actually have had this capability for many years in various forms - it just was never necessary because 1) SSDs are already barely used past the level of the shittiest SSD; and 2) even the fastest SSDs weren't that fast that you'd care. And it's something many of us pointed out to all the Sony fanboys when they were crying about how PC wouldn't keep up. On-GPU decompression is NOT NEW!
That being said, relax and enjoy being PCMR
4K@120 HERE WE GOOO! 
That being said, relax and enjoy being PCMR
4K@120 HERE WE GOOO!
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DonJuanSchlong
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Rumor has it, he makes them from salt and tears, which corrodes the plastic away. He needs a bunch of them today, especially.
Dr Bass
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Collaberate ....
Is that like where you work with someone while yelling at them that they suck?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the Series X, and never will.
Is that like where you work with someone while yelling at them that they suck?
This has absolutely nothing to do with the Series X, and never will.
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martino
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i'm still not sure it's urgent to upgrade
will games really use that tech in the next year ?
i mean most tech from 2XXX is still not really used.
MarkMe2525
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So the fact that nvidia has integrated support of an API that will be used to develop games for PC and series x simultaneously has nothing to do with the series x? Are you sure about that?
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Robot Carnival
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here's what I picked out from Newegg
AMD Ryzen7 3700X 8 core 3.6GHz
$290
ASRock B550M PRO4 MicroATX motherboard
$120
Corsair DDR4 3600 32GB (2 X 16 GB) ram
$115
DIYPC tower case
$90
EVGA 1000W power supply
$200
Intel 1TB QLC SSD
$115
Noctua CPU 140mm fan
$75
Win10 pro 64
$150
Thermal Paste
$8
these comes to around $1163 or so and like I said, just kinda picked them off the store. and I can probably use my old power supply and my SSDs to cut the cost down to $850 or so. adding the $700 of the 3080, that comes to $1550 or so. any better deals out there? I'm not in a hurry hence the mention of Black Friday.
martino
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M1chl
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Alright that WIn 10 buy it here: https://software-codes.com/collections/top-sale/products/windows-10-pro Bam 146USD off.
Everything else is understandable, I though you are buying just mobo+CPU+RAM...
Robot Carnival
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cool! thanks.
Shmunter
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Like any leap in fundamental tech. It’s adoption will become increasingly necessary over time.
RaySoft
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This is probably a requrement for every GPU driver to be a certified DX12_2 card, since it's basicly MS' tech. (DirectStorage)
Also support for the RTX20x0 line.
More here
Also support for the RTX20x0 line.
More here
Introducing NVIDIA RTX IO: GPU-Accelerated Storage Technology For The Next Generation of Games
Load instantaneously, experience vast worlds with endless views and rich detail, and further improve gameplay by leveraging the power of GeForce RTX 30 Series graphics cards and NVIDIA RTX IO.
www.nvidia.com
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ANIMAL1975
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Lol of course they have to follow Ms, they use DirectX.
And in what fantasy world Sonys proprietary hardware or software libraries for Playstation, are shared with the pc industry during their development, or even used by them afterwards lol? It's proprietary and customized. They are only for Playstation.
Again you don't know what you're talking about, Sony worked with who they needed to work with: the developers, that's the most important input in the matter.
And what came up was a completely hardware based approach, the i/o complex on the SoC. Listen to the PS5 presentation again _ everything is hardware supported and automatic, no special dev time or optimizations needed.
So your so-called standard solution that needs direct storage/velocity architecture (software support) will not be a great advantage.
M1chl
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It's a retail key by the way so you can put it on more PCs, it's not OEM licence. And they are legit.
Just NVMe is going to be enough I think : )
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RaySoft
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You don't need a "special" ssd. I'd guess even Gen3 are supported as well. For max throughput you'll need any Gen4 NVMe with a 7GB/s rating.
PaintTinJr
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I can't tell if I'm interpreting the info correctly, but ...am I right in thinking that RTX IO is a PCIe NIC(network interface card)with a slot for a Gen4 NVMe SSD, that plugs into a new motherboard with PCIe 4.0 bus, and then you need a Nvidia RTX 30 series GPU that also plugs into the PCIe 4.0 bus?
If that is the setup, I assume that the reason PCIe 4 is needed is due to the bi-directional comms between the NIC and GPU will be capable of saturating half the bus at peak transfers, so going up to PCIe 4 leaves enough lanes for a system to still use all the legacy PCIe 3 stuff too without interference.
Even though the numbers look competitive to the XsX XVA and PS5 IO complex, I was surprised that a quick control+F on the nvidia page didn't find the word "latency". From the info provided I would still expect the latency of XVA to be less, maybe 1/2 or a 1/3- because adding a NIC: a switch, and adding external switching increases latency as a general networking rule - and I still expect the IO complex to be 1/5 or less of the latency of the XVA; especially now if this solution is the external design version of the integrated XVA solution.
Ultimately, my main concern for a solution like this, is the number of points of potential trouble shooting when it doesn't perform as expected - and reminds me a little bit of SLI/Crossfire teething troubles and the original 3dfx Voodoo passthru card when you got a blank screen launching a game. A complex multi-component solution like this in the PC space shouts design workaround to me, and it makes me wonder if Nvidia's lack of access to a x86 license to make x86 APUs is now a major problem and a potential for their demise - or acquisition by someone like Intel - in the next 5years.
Even if all those RTX IO numbers work out great, and the latency is on par with the PS5 IO complex - which would be an amazing feat IMO - the RTX IO still looks like a half-way-house solution to me, because the data/memory solution is even more fragmented than before - and questions and potential installation nightmares of if or how the RTX IO SSD can be used as the boot drive for Windows, and if not, what is the gaming performance cost of limitation? - while on the console side, the benefits of unified memory for gaming and the impact on game design is probably about to really take off now that the new consoles have brawny CPUs and heavy weight GPUs to share complex simulations across both types of compute.
But none the less, very interesting new PC tech solution and new exciting times ahead (IMHO).
If that is the setup, I assume that the reason PCIe 4 is needed is due to the bi-directional comms between the NIC and GPU will be capable of saturating half the bus at peak transfers, so going up to PCIe 4 leaves enough lanes for a system to still use all the legacy PCIe 3 stuff too without interference.
Even though the numbers look competitive to the XsX XVA and PS5 IO complex, I was surprised that a quick control+F on the nvidia page didn't find the word "latency". From the info provided I would still expect the latency of XVA to be less, maybe 1/2 or a 1/3- because adding a NIC: a switch, and adding external switching increases latency as a general networking rule - and I still expect the IO complex to be 1/5 or less of the latency of the XVA; especially now if this solution is the external design version of the integrated XVA solution.
Ultimately, my main concern for a solution like this, is the number of points of potential trouble shooting when it doesn't perform as expected - and reminds me a little bit of SLI/Crossfire teething troubles and the original 3dfx Voodoo passthru card when you got a blank screen launching a game. A complex multi-component solution like this in the PC space shouts design workaround to me, and it makes me wonder if Nvidia's lack of access to a x86 license to make x86 APUs is now a major problem and a potential for their demise - or acquisition by someone like Intel - in the next 5years.
Even if all those RTX IO numbers work out great, and the latency is on par with the PS5 IO complex - which would be an amazing feat IMO - the RTX IO still looks like a half-way-house solution to me, because the data/memory solution is even more fragmented than before - and questions and potential installation nightmares of if or how the RTX IO SSD can be used as the boot drive for Windows, and if not, what is the gaming performance cost of limitation? - while on the console side, the benefits of unified memory for gaming and the impact on game design is probably about to really take off now that the new consoles have brawny CPUs and heavy weight GPUs to share complex simulations across both types of compute.
But none the less, very interesting new PC tech solution and new exciting times ahead (IMHO).
Dr Bass
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Yes because the Series X won't have the hardware design to utilize the API. And it's an Nvidia thing not AMD ...
I'm pretty sure that DirectStorage will use a different proprietary fs just for game installations. Thus separate IO card is not a bad solution. It kinda solves all the problems without introducing too much latency.
Still probably miles away from PS5 but may be pretty close to XBSX (and they may use NIC interface too btw).
MarkMe2525
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I want to give you a chance but are you saying that AMD and the XsX will not support direct storage? Do yourself a favor before replying, type in "directstorage" into your Google machine.
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El Pistolero
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So there goes all the console's supposed edge and superiority. Except those cards will actually be able to process all that data in less that 16ms, MUCH less actually it seems. However that 200GB number looks scary, we were promised lower game sizes due to no duplicated data, but by the looks of it, a 1TB will be able to hold just a few next-gen AAA titles at once :/
Sony I/O solution is still better, my friend. This is however a step in the right direction, and one would suspect a hardware based solution (accelerators on the die, just like what Sony and AMD have come up with) within the next two years or so. Well, I hope so, at least.
ratburger
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I think you're over-thinking this. Any PCIe device can communicate with any other on the PCIe bus. The GPU just needs to know how to properly request data from the SSD since there's a file system involved.
From this official nvidia article:
So since it will work on 2000-series cards, it can't be a physical slot on the video card.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Jesus you are a FUD machine. You gonna spread anymore FUD about Ampere to Turing TF relative performance metrics? There's no way you say what you said in the other thread with a straight face. Puts a lot of your other technical discussions in serious question now.
He's a Sony fanboy, so the latter.
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So far all my "FUD" was on point. On Ampere. I.e. literally all my predictions manifested.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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No, you were dead wrong about the IPC gains. You implied 30 TF Ampere was 15 TF Turing. When Ampere is the newer architecture and has (at least) 10% IPC gain over Turing.
Literally you'd have to use BS "math" or some Common Core level tripe to get "30 TF Ampere = 15 TF Turing", which is what you posted. So your analysis is fraudulent.
Today NV presentation never mentioned any 10% increase AFAIR.
But they did mentioned 2x per core shader performance (whatever that can mean).
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digitaltrance
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So I need a PCIe 4.0 Mobo to run the 3090 to fully utilize it.....
jimbojim
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Series X huge win.
Win in which regard?
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