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[Bryank75]

They are within 10% of each other, so close it wont really matter.

My opinion

I respect your 'opinion'!

 

[LordOfChaos]

Bit of an obvious thing with big old console APUs and A14 from Apple moving to 5nm, but interesting stuff nonetheless.

 

[RasAlGhoul]

They are within 10% of each other, so close it wont really matter.

My opinion

In your opinion outside of raw TFLOP Power does anything else set either machine apart?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

In your opinion outside of raw TFLOP Power does anything else set either machine apart?

The PS5 SSD is faster and that's NOT within 10%.

Guessing.

 

[Bryank75]

The PS5 SSD is faster and that's NOT within 10%.

Guessing.

I love how accurate your guesses are going to be! Ha

 

[ChoosableOne]

I don't care which one's testicle flops. I do care about which one will have more interesting "console only"(not just timed) exclusives.

Sony doesn't seems to let go it's biggest franchises on PC. Microsoft tends to release their games both for Xbox and PC, which is a good thing, but i have a PC, and Xbox is my last choice for gaming because of it.

If devs/publishers all go with Fortnite route and make crossplay enable for all their games(player pool much more bigger in consoles) and doesn't exclude Pc in exclusivity deals, i will go with my Pc next gen(maybe plus Switch as a sidekick).

Everyone having a blast right now with Xbox Gamepass. It will be a big factor for people who don't use Pc for gaming(or don't have one) when choosing a console. Gamepass for console is much more better than PC, so maybe that can change my mind in future, if that trend continue.

TL DR: I will wait at least 2 years with my PC(with gamepass time to time) and PS4.

 

[Insane Metal]

XSX: 2GB/s
PS5: 4.5GB/s

SSDs. XSX will use a regular PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD while PS4 will use a PCIe 4.0 one.

 

[CuriousToe]

The PS5 SSD is faster and that's NOT within 10%.

Guessing.

So your guess is that XSX has the edge overall, presumably based on GPU/CPU. But PS5 holds a substantial advantage on SSD, but that's not enough to give it an edge?

Very interesting..

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Don't be shocked with Xbox saying Most Powerful console if Sony says something along the lines of Fastest Console.

Its how I would go about it anyhow.

 

[Self High Five]

Guessing.

And I was just about to pm Mod of War.

Lucky....

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

And I was just about to pm Mod of War.

Lucky....

I am okay with that

 

[demigod]

They are within 10% of each other, so close it wont really matter.

My opinion

You just killed the hopes and dreams of all the fanboys that stuck with 9.2TF leaked documents.

 

[LordOfChaos]

XSX: 2GB/s
PS5: 4.5GB/s

SSDs. XSX will use a regular PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD while PS4 will use a PCIe 4.0 one.

If the Ryzen 3000 based APU innately supports it, it wouldn't cost much extra to at least use a 4.0 capable controller, even if it's not as custom and fast as this "Broadband" SSD.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You just killed the hopes and dreams of all the fanboys that stuck with 9.2TF leaked documents.

Without a doubt I could be wrong.

But if I were a betting man I am still saying they will be very close.

 

[Bryank75]

So your guess is that XSX has the edge overall, presumably based on GPU/CPU. But PS5 holds a substantial advantage on SSD, but that's not enough to give it an edge?

Very interesting..

We have to consider raytracing too, we don't know where that is.

 

[Thedtrain]

Don't be shocked with Xbox saying Most Powerful console if Sony says something along the lines of Fastest Console.

Its how I would go about it anyhow.

Ps5 ~10.8
Xs ~12

This sound about right, if you were to guess?

 

[TLZ]

And I was just about to pm Mod of War.

Lucky....

Mod of War already "vetted" him

 

[Insane Metal]

Well, like

Without a doubt I could be wrong.

But if I were a betting man I am still saying they will be very close.

I really hope that's the case. It makes multiplats great on both and also makes things easier for better looking exclusives.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Ps5 ~10.8
Xs ~12

This sound about right, if you were to guess?

I have never given TFs that I expect only approving of margin of errors and I can live with that neighborhood you are in.

 

[CuriousToe]

I have never given TFs that I expect only approving of margin of errors and I can live with that neighborhood you are in.

What about 11.7 vs 12.2 - is that the same neighborhood or outside your guesstimate.

 

[VFXVeteran]

So your guess is that XSX has the edge overall, presumably based on GPU/CPU. But PS5 holds a substantial advantage on SSD, but that's not enough to give it an edge?

Very interesting..

Why would it be? The main driver of performance is dependent on the most complex aspect of the scene. And that's going to be within the GPU - which is where most of the time is being spent. If you have a faster SSD to load in assets but your GPU is slower, you're sort of balancing the scales.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Mod of War already "vetted" him

No no, we mutually agreed not to vett me because I wouldn't supply certain things he needed and I don't blame him.

Thus why I keep adding these are my guesses

 

[Thedtrain]

I have never given TFs that I expect only approving of margin of errors and I can live with that neighborhood you are in.

Cool

+/- 10% is nothing.

If Sony would drop some morsel proving that the github info is old or incomplete, we could keep our little speculation thread going for another 2-3 months.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Cool

+/- 10% is nothing.

If Sony would drop some morsel proving that the github info is old or incomplete, we could keep our little speculation thread going for another 2-3 months.

You mean right after that Github "leak" happened and Sony Tweeted:

 

[TeamGhobad]

wtf is going on in here, iran news has kept me busy, did we get a new leak?

 

[Jtibh]

Yes sir only specs some rumors going around they might show the new dual shock 5 and its new features

Sir.
I have to work tomorrow from 9 am till 10pm as we are getting ready for the january reno show and we are on a deadline. Booth booked and payed for , delivery guys scheduled etc.
Now you telling me i wont be able to sleep all night and have to drop work at 6 so i can watch this reveal.
Sir if you are messing with me i find you.

Where are my fucking gummies? Gotta calm my ass down.

 

[Thedtrain]

You mean right after that Github "leak" happened and Sony Tweeted:

Haha touché


some people still think it’s a coincidence

 

[Rightisright]

Yea and that was years later with a full revision including die shrink. Not just an upclock and one year later. And it didn't close the gap. Upclocking can't compete with more CUs. Again there is no reason to wait a year just for an upclock. A few months maybe.

Then why didn't MS just up the clocks on the One right away? I mean you make it sound like it's money for jam.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Cool

+/- 10% is nothing.

If Sony would drop some morsel proving that the github info is old or incomplete, we could keep our little speculation thread going for another 2-3 months.

If it's +/- 10% performance, then that is something. It could make the difference between holding 60fps. If one console can hold 60FPS but another one is 10% slower (i.e. 54FPS), people will complain..

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why would it be? The main driver of performance is dependent on the most complex aspect of the scene. And that's going to be within the GPU - which is where most of the time is being spent. If you have a faster SSD to load in assets but your GPU is slower, you're sort of balancing the scales.

Just because the PS5 potentially holds an advantage over the Xbox in SSD speed, doesn’t mean it’s going to bottleneck the GPU.

This is kind of a weird take without knowing the specs, almost preemptive FUD.

 

[chemical boy]

No no, we mutually agreed not to vett me because I wouldn't supply certain things he needed and I don't blame him.

Thus why I keep adding these are my guesses

Do you know the specifications of both consoles?

 

[Insane Metal]

Honestly I do hope we get some PS5 news tomorrow... but who knows.

Anyway I can't wait to see what AMD has in store. Ryzen 3, Ryzen 4000 for laptops, new Radeon with RT dedicated hardware... I'm hyped.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Do you know the specifications of both consoles?

The number of people who know for certain the exact specs of both consoles is so small and I am not in that circle.

I could get pretty close though in my guesses.

 

[CuriousToe]

Why would it be? The main driver of performance is dependent on the most complex aspect of the scene. And that's going to be within the GPU - which is where most of the time is being spent. If you have a faster SSD to load in assets but your GPU is slower, you're sort of balancing the scales.

Oh I don't pretend to know about the tech, I'm just curious more than anything whether a significantly faster SSD would shift the balance. Clearly not, but wanted to ask.

 

[Thedtrain]

If it's +/- 10% performance, then that is something. It could make the difference between holding 60fps. If one console can hold 60FPS but another one is 10% slower (i.e. 54FPS), people will complain..

Outside of some DF videos and general console warring, I’m betting I can’t see the difference between 54 and 60 FPS.

If xsx was much stronger I’d have to buy both consoles, so I’d rather they be just close enough. My preference though, everyone’s different

 

[CuriousToe]

Anyone else getting private messages from Dim...

"Please don't talk ABOUT TECH NOWHERE
You are epic ridiculous fanboy with knowledge.
Is disturbing to read bullshit from you in thread"

Before anyone asks, I've reported and moved on. But very strange behavior...

 

[bitbydeath]

The number of people who know for certain the exact specs of both consoles is so small and I am not in that circle.

I could get pretty close though in my guesses.

So from what you know, was the AMD leak console related at all?

 

[Jtibh]

Fucking Dorito crumbs in the bed, the man is a slob.

I doubt anyone would stick it in a dorito residue filled bumm bumm. The pain the cuts.........

 

[VFXVeteran]

Just because the PS5 potentially holds an advantage over the Xbox in SSD speed, doesn’t mean it’s going to bottleneck the GPU.

This is kind of a weird take without knowing the specs, almost preemptive FUD.

He indicated a large delta between the two platforms for SSD speed (i.e. probably read speed). We already know that SSD will be used for virtual memory (both CPU and GPU). If the PS5 is only slightly slower than the XSX in overall performance but have a large delta advantage with reading in assets (clearly what he indicated), then what hardware piece would be the bottleneck that makes the overall performance 10% less than the XSX?

 

[Kdad]

Anyone else getting private messages from Dim...

"Please don't talk ABOUT TECH NOWHERE
You are epic ridiculous fanboy with knowledge.
Is disturbing to read bullshit from you in thread"

Before anyone asks, I've reported and moved on. But very strange behavior...

I feel left out

 

[Kdad]

I doubt anyone would stick it in a dorito residue filled bumm bumm. The pain the cuts.........

You're assuming who is bottom.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He indicated a large delta between the two platforms for SSD speed (i.e. probably read speed). We already know that SSD will be used for virtual memory (both CPU and GPU). If the PS5 is only slightly slower than the XSX in overall performance but have a large delta advantage with reading in assets (clearly what he indicated), then what hardware piece would be the bottleneck that makes the overall performance 10% less than the XSX?

I’m still not following. What if the PS5 loads things faster on average compared to the XSX?

I don’t see more SSD speed as a bottleneck. It will still never feed faster than the compute in these GPUs, just make a remarkable difference compared to mechanical drives and their slow I/O setups.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So from what you know, was the AMD leak console related at all?

Not knowing much about that honestly I am assuming yes it was something AMD tested at some point for consoles.

Does it have any bearing on what we will get at the end of this year?

I doubt it but again I don't have info to prove that.

 

[Hendrick's]

Don't be shocked with Xbox saying Most Powerful console if Sony says something along the lines of Fastest Console

They should just go with Blast Processing.

 

[Bryank75]

You're assuming who is bottom.

And where does the mountain dew fit in?

 

[Jtibh]

You're assuming who is bottom.

If we would talk about trudeo the answer is him.

In this case does it matter?

 

[Disco_]

Also those SSD's as virtual ram will wear out and need to buy changable parts, this is where those Sony patent cartiges come to place, something that you plug into your console Nintendo Red Card style, this will also help them to lower the cost of the console if the specs are crazy (michael patcher 1000$ specs) wich i doubt, now you probably asking who is my dealer im just venturing a guess here.

Those sony cartridges are meant for Toio. It's a learning tool/game for children. The cartridges themselves use fairly low end NAND IIRC.

Wondering if the Oberon leak would be something like:

Gen 0 = PS4 games that haven't had any improvements - Bloodborne
Gen 1 = Games that had improvements on PS4 Pro - God of War
Gen 2 = PS4 games that will have significant improvements in new hardware, such as 60 / 120fps, 4k / 8k textures, visual enhancements, new elements, etc ... from developers who decide to give their games a new look.

In short, the leak is just the BC side.

If I'm not mistaken, GEN2 was listed as NATIVE, not BC, on github.

 

[chemical boy]

Then:

XbX> PS5 + -10% HeisenbergFX4
XbX<PS5+ -10% Klee
XbX<PS5+ - Osiris

Is this correct?

 

[Gediminas]

If it's +/- 10% performance, then that is something. It could make the difference between holding 60fps. If one console can hold 60FPS but another one is 10% slower (i.e. 54FPS), people will complain..

10% power does not mean it will translate into 6fps.

 

[Samanosuke Akechi]

They should just go with Blast Processing.

Sony does what microdont!