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My Covid-19 scare story

GreyHorace

Member
Let me preface this topic with a question.

Would you be pissed if a coworker hid the fact that one of their relations is a frontliner who works in close proximity with people with Covid-19?

In my case, the coworker in question is an editorial assistant at the newspaper I work at. The guy, let's call him Kevin, didn't reveal that his sister was a doctor at a hospital where they were treating Covid-19 patients. Add to the fact that his sister got tested for the virus with no results yet as of today. Normally, such factors would have classed him as a possible carrier and he'd have to go into a 2 week quarantine, for observation and to keep our office safe from possible infection.

But Kevin didn't tell anyone at our office. Not our HR department, nor the editors who are his superiors and whom he has to answer to. Last week though, the truth came out and people were furious at him. Our boss, the publisher, ordered Kevin to go home and stay in quarantine for the next two weeks. He's not to return to the office until the quarantine is lifted here in Metro Manila on May 15.

Normally, I'd feel bad and think the guy was just careless, but in this case I have no sympathy. Because Kevin is an insensitive asshole. I should know, having worked with the guy for two years, and I don't think I've ever worked with such a lazy and incompetent boob. The guy is always stuck at his desk attending to his social media rather than doing his fucking job. Many times he's been reprimanded by the editors for sending a page out to print without getting final approval from them. Other times he's feuded with other people on social media while identifying himself as an employee of our paper.

I could go on and on about Kevin's many fuckups, but that would be one long ass post and stray too far from the point. The point being that I don't think Kevin was being careless here. He willingly put our office in jeopardy just because he didn't want to be quarantined at home by himself (his sister is at the hospital most days). He knew of the quarantine protocols in our country (how could he not? He handles the newsfeeds for the day) and knew what would happen if he revealed the facts about his sister. We only found out because he inadvertently bragged about it to some of my coworkers while they were being brought home in the company car. The asshole was stupid enough to out himself.

Needless to say, people in the office are pissed at Kevin as I mentioned earlier. It'll be interesting to see whether he'd have the guts to show his face at work after becoming the office pariah. Personally, I hope he doesn't show because I really can't stand the guy. But I've a feeling he will show up because he is that dense in thinking people will forgive and forget.

What do you think GAF? Does Kevin deserve a second chance despite such idiocy on his part? Or should we part ways with him?

EDIT: Forgot to mention he and his sister share an apartment together, which makes his claims of social distancing really stupid.
 
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Heimdall_Xtreme

Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
I am a medical specialist, Im working in a hospital that treat patients with Covid, but it does not mean that I have the disease, even the protocols are different from yours in the country.

I have been with the necessary care and people greet me, it is very rare that there is discrimination, in my opinion I say that if your family member has not come out positive with COVID, there would be no problem and he would continue his work, but I understand that as the USA they have a higher mortality rate, panic comes.

In my opinion, we could all have COVID and not present symptoms at first, who can assure you that your other colleagues do not have the disease?

The prudent thing right now is that nobody went to work and they stayed at home with hygiene measures.
 
How many degrees of separation from a front line worker would you suggest is allowable? Does this guy even live with his sister? At some point social distancing and practicing good hygiene will have to be the things you rely on to stay healthy if you live in a country that is not on a full on lockdown. You are being really dramatic by the way.
 

V4skunk

Banned
I wouldn't worry. We are being lied to about corona virus.
No one is suffering just even minor symptoms!
 

GreyHorace

Member
I am a medical specialist, Im working in a hospital that treat patients with Covid, but it does not mean that I have the disease, even the protocols are different from yours in the country.

I have been with the necessary care and people greet me, it is very rare that there is discrimination, in my opinion I say that if your family member has not come out positive with COVID, there would be no problem and he would continue his work, but I understand that as the USA they have a higher mortality rate, panic comes.

In my opinion, we could all have COVID and not present symptoms at first, who can assure you that your other colleagues do not have the disease?

The prudent thing right now is that nobody went to work and they stayed at home with hygiene measures.

First off, let me say that I commend you for your efforts during this pandemic. I have nothing but respect for the medical frontliners who have to deal with the threat of Covid-19 everyday. And that includes Kevin's sister.

But it still doesn't change the fact that he willfully withheld information regarding his sister being a frontliner. When the quarantine started the office made it clear us employees would follow the rules set by the government with regards to possible Covid-19 exposure. Two of our editors in fact went on quarantine because of this. One because her neighbor was diagnosed with Covid, hence their entire district was locked won. The other because his sister-in-law died of unknown causes at the time, but he isolated himself just in case (turns out it was pneumonia).

Couldn't Kevin have bothered to follow the same example for the sake of our office? We're already working at half capacity and he had to go and fuck up whatever preventive measures we've taken to stop an outbreak at our place of work.

And it's funny you mentioned discrimination. Kevin tried to use that as an excuse for why he kept silent. We told him to shut the fuck up.

How many degrees of separation from a front line worker would you suggest is allowable? Does this guy even live with his sister? At some point social distancing and practicing good hygiene will have to be the things you rely on to stay healthy if you live in a country that is not on a full on lockdown. You are being really dramatic by the way.

Tell that to the people at my office. My coworker has a son with asthma so she's rightly angry that Kevin could have possibly exposed her to the virus. That editor I mentioned earlier who's sister-in-law died? He nearly died last year from suffocation resulting from anaphylactic shock. He's very paranoid about the pandemic so you can imagine how very pissed off he was when he found out about Kevin.

People are very afraid of inadvertently getting the virus and passing it on to people close to them like their families. I don't blame them for feeling this way.
 

Nester99

Member
Does he live with his sister or not?

How do you know he had recent contact with her? Is it not reasonable to assume she was practicing social distancing and had no contact with her brother?

Do you know about his contact with her?
 

GreyHorace

Member
Does he live with his sister or not?

How do you know he had recent contact with her? Is it not reasonable to assume she was practicing social distancing and had no contact with her brother?

Do you know about his contact with her?

They live in the same apartment. An air conditioned apartment. It's funny you mentioned social distancing be he tried to use that an excuse. Claiming that they kept themselves apart at a distance of six feet.

He also mentioned going to buy groceries with her.

He's full of shit.
 
You are being unreasonable. This is the new normal. If your country has guidelines to practice social distancing but is allowing you to go to work then you are relying on EVERYONE doing the responsible thing, not just your arch nemesis Kevin.

edit:The fucking thread title lol.
 
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GreyHorace

Member
You are being unreasonable. This is the new normal. If your country has guidelines to practice social distancing but is allowing you to go to work then you are relying on EVERYONE doing the responsible thing, not just your arch nemesis Kevin.

edit:The fucking thread title lol.

How is it unreasonable to expect the people you work with to show some consideration for your health and safety?

As I mentioned before, two of our senior editors went through a two week quarantine on the possibility that they may have been exposed to Covid-19.

Kevin didn't, and I suspect he purposely withheld info regarding his sister because he didn't want to be stuck at home for 2 weeks. He showed no consideration for the office or his coworkers. Fuck him.
 
How is it unreasonable to expect the people you work with to show some consideration for your health and safety?

As I mentioned before, two of our senior editors went through a two week quarantine on the possibility that they may have been exposed to Covid-19.

Kevin didn't, and I suspect he purposely withheld info regarding his sister because he didn't want to be stuck at home for 2 weeks. He showed no consideration for the office or his coworkers. Fuck him.
I’m going to be real with you here. If your country isn’t in a full on lockdown you are going to be exposed to Covid full stop at some point in the next year or two. You don’t know it, but you are on the herd immunity plan. Kevin might be an irresponsible dickhead, but society is full of them and unless you dig a hole and stay there for two years, you’re going to run into a thousand more chances to be exposed. The tone of your op leads me to believe you don’t realize the situation you are in if you are actually out and about and working in an office still. So take a deep breath, if you aren’t immunocompromised and are in relatively good health and young, you have an extremely small chance of a negative outcome. You should still practice social distancing, especially around at risk people, and those people have to take responsibility for their own health as well. If your coworkers are as high risk as you seem to think, THEY should be at home, not Kevin.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
Is she his sister or his STEP-sister....I need to know to trust his social distance comment :p

But really, his sister is a doctor. So she wears PPE at work and presumably has figured out how to limit her risk. What kind of doctor? An anethesiologist directly intubating COVID patients or a radiologist barely in contact with anyone? Why was she being tested? Because of symptoms or because her work is just screening at random or even everyone?

Come on, be smart about this before you rage out on a guy who may have done nothing to put others at risk.
 

GreyHorace

Member
I’m going to be real with you here. If your country isn’t in a full on lockdown you are going to be exposed to Covid full stop at some point in the next year or two. You don’t know it, but you are on the herd immunity plan. Kevin might be an irresponsible dickhead, but society is full of them and unless you dig a hole and stay there for two years, you’re going to run into a thousand more chances to be exposed. The tone of your op leads me to believe you don’t realize the situation you are in if you are actually out and about and working in an office still. So take a deep breath, if you aren’t immunocompromised and are in relatively good health and young, you have an extremely small chance of a negative outcome. You should still practice social distancing, especially around at risk people, and those people have to take responsibility for their own health as well. If your coworkers are as high risk as you seem to think, THEY should be at home, not Kevin.

I guess I wasn't entirely clear here. The greater Metropolitan area of Manila and it's surrounding cities is right now on enhanced community quarantine. Meaning no business are open except for groceries, drug stores and banks with strict supervision. All public transport has been suspended and we've been been brought to the office by a company car. Half of our staff is working at home and the other half works at the office.

So yeah. We have a lockdown here of sorts to prevent the spread of Covid-19. Still think I'm overreacting over Kevin's fuckup?
 

GreyHorace

Member
Is she his sister or his STEP-sister....I need to know to trust his social distance comment :p

But really, his sister is a doctor. So she wears PPE at work and presumably has figured out how to limit her risk. What kind of doctor? An anethesiologist directly intubating COVID patients or a radiologist barely in contact with anyone? Why was she being tested? Because of symptoms or because her work is just screening at random or even everyone?

Come on, be smart about this before you rage out on a guy who may have done nothing to put others at risk.

 
They live in the same apartment. An air conditioned apartment. It's funny you mentioned social distancing be he tried to use that an excuse. Claiming that they kept themselves apart at a distance of six feet.

He also mentioned going to buy groceries with her.

He's full of shit.

You probably should include this info in the OP. I was looking through the thread to find out if he lived with his sister, was fucking his sister, etc. I have a sister I haven't seen since Christmas. I don't need to tell anyone at work what she does for a living.
 

Heimdall_Xtreme

Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
First off, let me say that I commend you for your efforts during this pandemic. I have nothing but respect for the medical frontliners who have to deal with the threat of Covid-19 everyday. And that includes Kevin's sister.


Thank you very much for your words, we are here to help people.

You said that the government made rules, what were they? Of course, I live in a different country, in Mexico, the laws are very different of USA.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member

Punished Miku

Gold Member
This shows you what it's like to be a frontline worker. They call you hero all day and repeat platitudes about how grateful they are. But if they even see you, get near you, or get near anyone who even knows you, the true feelings come out.

Anyone calling you a hero is likely a liar. They just want you to keep putting yourself in harm's way far away from them while they virtue signal about how great you are.

In terms of Kevin, I think it's an issue for that individual company. Do they screen people at the office? Where I work we take temps every day and have to answer questions about our symptoms and living situation every day. If he lied then he's in trouble. If he was never asked and just failed to mention it, then that's not on him.
 

GreyHorace

Member
This shows you what it's like to be a frontline worker. They call you hero all day and repeat platitudes about how grateful they are. But if they even see you, get near you, or get near anyone who even knows you, the true feelings come out.

Anyone calling you a hero is likely a liar. They just want you to keep putting yourself in harm's way far away from them while they virtue signal about how great you are.

Like I said, I've nothing but respect for the medical frontline workers. And I'd praise them as selfless heroes if I didn't think it was just useless platitudes. It's empty virtue signaling I agree.

In terms of Kevin, I think it's an issue for that individual company. Do they screen people at the office? Where I work we take temps every day and have to answer questions about our symptoms and living situation every day. If he lied then he's in trouble. If he was never asked and just failed to mention it, then that's not on him.

As we are a newspaper operating in a city under enhanced community quarantine, it's pretty much a given that he had to inform the office if he had contact with someone with a high risk of contracting Covid-19. The moment someone in our office gets infected it'll be shut down along with the surrounding area and we'd all be under quarantine.

We have regular temp screenings by the military at road checkpoints on our way to work.

So 16% infection rate. 1 in 6. Pretty good odds, really since kevin is only a secondary contact. How old is Kevin's sister? Likely to be symptomatic if infected or young enough to get it and not know it?

You really think our office is going to take a chance with an employee who's come in contact with someone who has a high risk of infection? Better safe than sorry.
 
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Djau

Banned
Does the person stay in the household and has been in contact? if not, then he did nothing wrong. If he did, hes an idiot who needs a flogging.
 

GreyHorace

Member
Does the person stay in the household and has been in contact? if not, then he did nothing wrong. If he did, hes an idiot who needs a flogging.

Like I said, he shares an apartment with his sister, who is a doctor at a hospital that treats Covid-19 patients.
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
As we are a newspaper operating in a city under enhanced community quarantine, it's pretty much a given that he had to inform the office if he had contact with someone with a high risk of contracting Covid-19. The moment someone in our office gets infected it'll be shut down along with the surrounding area and we'd all be under quarantine.

We have regular temp screenings by the military at road checkpoints on our way to work.
Maybe so. But if it's not explicitly asked at any point, then I'd blame the company management.

Every single day we go to work we are asked, and it's recorded in a book with a Yes or a No for multiple questions. The exact same questions daily. So if anyone lied, it would be on record for weeks.

If people aren't explicitly told they are not allowed at work if they have a family member with zero symptoms, but just happens to be likely to have it, then I blame the company.
 
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Cutty Flam

Banned
I wouldn’t forgive him, personally. Sounds like the ultimate loser/moron. First off, COVID-19 is very dangerous. It’s a virus so lethal and deadly for some, that a lot of us here on earth are going to have to come to terms with the great possibility that we won't live as long as we thought, maybe not even another year. It just really depends. It could be essentially nothing for a lot of people too. You just cannot know until you’re battling it or have it

It’s people like him who you have to watch out for. You have to protect yourself from him so that you protect your loved ones around you and all other human beings and animals really. He’s not intelligent enough to care or think of others, that’s not a true man imo I wouldn’t give a fool like that the time of day. I wouldnt forgive him until he shows responsibility and remorse personally. Playing with innocent people’s lives like that is evil. Even though he’s likely just too ignorant to realize. Fuck that guy
 

Super Mario

Banned
I also have a COVID-19 scare story to share:

So basically, this super-flu went around. People who were unhealthy were most affected by it. So I got confined to my house for months to protect them. Scary shit bro
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I fail to see anything that scary. Did you leave out the part where he lives with his sister or something?

Even that is still just a little overblown man.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Like I said, he shares an apartment with his sister, who is a doctor at a hospital that treats Covid-19 patients.
Yeah there is close to zero chance that you forgot this VERY important point in your massive diatribe. You are just making this up now to avoid a thread backfire.
Also, why the hell are any of you in the office, I fail to think of a single thing that couldn't be done from home.
 

008

Banned
Yeah there is close to zero chance that you forgot this VERY important point in your massive diatribe. You are just making this up now to avoid a thread backfire.
Also, why the hell are any of you in the office, I fail to think of a single thing that couldn't be done from home.

I laughed, my thoughts exactly. You’re full of shit OP
 

GreyHorace

Member
I wouldn’t forgive him, personally. Sounds like the ultimate loser/moron. First off, COVID-19 is very dangerous. It’s a virus so lethal and deadly for some, that a lot of us here on earth are going to have to come to terms with the great possibility that we won't live as long as we thought, maybe not even another year. It just really depends. It could be essentially nothing for a lot of people too. You just cannot know until you’re battling it or have it

It’s people like him who you have to watch out for. You have to protect yourself from him so that you protect your loved ones around you and all other human beings and animals really. He’s not intelligent enough to care or think of others, that’s not a true man imo I wouldn’t give a fool like that the time of day. I wouldnt forgive him until he shows responsibility and remorse personally. Playing with innocent people’s lives like that is evil. Even though he’s likely just too ignorant to realize. Fuck that guy

Nah. I wouldn't go so far as to call him evil. Just incredibly dense and very, very selfish. Like I said, we've had numerous complaints about him related to work. The worst part being he keeps making the same mistakes and refuses to improve upon them. He always likes to make excuses for his numerous fuckups as a way to weasel himself out of any blame.

I bet you right now he's stewing at home thinking he did nothing wrong. He can get fucked for all I care.

Yeah there is close to zero chance that you forgot this VERY important point in your massive diatribe. You are just making this up now to avoid a thread backfire.
Also, why the hell are any of you in the office, I fail to think of a single thing that couldn't be done from home.

I laughed, my thoughts exactly. You’re full of shit OP

You two believe what you want. I admit to not posting that detail in my opening post. That was a mistake on my part.
 

008

Banned
Nah. I wouldn't go so far as to call him evil. Just incredibly dense and very, very selfish. Like I said, we've had numerous complaints about him related to work. The worst part being he keeps making the same mistakes and refuses to improve upon them. He always likes to make excuses for his numerous fuckups as a way to weasel himself out of any blame.

I bet you right now he's stewing at home thinking he did nothing wrong. He can get fucked for all I care.





You two believe what you want. I admit to not posting that detail in my opening post. That was a mistake on my part.

You wrote all the characters and forgot the most important detail? Get real dude
 

GreyHorace

Member
You wrote all the characters and forgot the most important detail? Get real dude

What you want? For me to admit I just made this story up? I already made the edit to my opening post for clarity's sake. If that's not enough for you then fine. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise.
 

GreyHorace

Member
Sounds like you're upset he showed up regardless of whether she was tested. If she tests negative and is asymptomatic, would you welcome him back?
I get pissed off everytime I see him at work, but since he's not under our department we can't do anything about him leaving. I just tolerate his presence and keep my interaction with him to a minimum. Regardless of whether or not his sister tests negative is beside the point. He still withheld information just so he couldn't be quaratined.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

played the long game
Not sure why its your business what his sister does for a living. Do you expect him to stay quarantined for as long as he lives with his sister?

Honestly, I'm not even sure why your workplace is open. You're a fucking newspaper. Just work from home.
 
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Cato

Banned
I think it is scandalous. Can you get the cops to go there to arrest or shoot them? /s

I think you are overreacting. He tested negative. What else do you want? He should suicide and never come in to the office ever again?

You need counceling. Talk to someone and learn how to deal with your anger and scares better.
You are severely overreacting. You need someone to talk to and bring you back to a normal sane mental state.
Please talk to local councelors. They have emergency hotlines for people in actute episodes.
 
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Paasei

Member
Anyone in your office could have it. If you are all so worried, you should've started working from home. You can write down articles as long as you have a PC or anything similar, no excuses.

The reason you now target 'Kevin' is because he is known to have a relative. Who knows who else does, or have caught the disease instead of him?

Overreacting as I'm getting used to on the Internet and life around me outside. It is starting to piss me off, sorry in advance about the rant.
 

GreyHorace

Member
I think it is scandalous. Can you get the cops to go there to arrest or shoot them? /s

I think you are overreacting. He tested negative. What else do you want? He should suicide and never come in to the office ever again?

His sister was the one who got tested. And so far no results have been confirmed. He should have refrained from coming to work until the results were known.

You need counceling. Talk to someone and learn how to deal with your anger and scares better.
You are severely overreacting. You need someone to talk to and bring you back to a normal sane mental state.
Please talk to local councelors. They have emergency hotlines for people in actute episodes.

Thank you for the concern, but I'm fine. The fact that I'm ranting here on GAF and not punching Kevin's lights out could be considered a good thing, no?

Not sure why its your business what his sister does for a living. Do you expect him to stay quarantined for as long as he lives with his sister?

Honestly, I'm not even sure why your workplace is open. You're a fucking newspaper. Just work from home.
Anyone in your office could have it. If you are all so worried, you should've started working from home. You can write down articles as long as you have a PC or anything similar, no excuses.

It's cute that you people think that all the employees at our office have a PC at home to work from. Or that they can afford to not work for a month. I'll always be thankful to the paper for giving us this opportunity to work during this pandemic. Our superiors have taken the necessary precautions, only for Kevin to almost ruin it with his bullshit.

Like I said. Fuck him.
 

Paasei

Member
It's cute that you people think that all the employees at our office have a PC at home to work from. Or that they can afford to not work for a month. I'll always be thankful to the paper for giving us this opportunity to work during this pandemic. Our superiors have taken the necessary precautions, only for Kevin to almost ruin it with his bullshit.

Like I said. Fuck him.
It's cute that you're so thankful you can still work. I can do that too and yet my company supplies us with laptops to do the work with from home if you don't have one yourself (very unlikely here).
 

lyan

Member
I’m going to be real with you here. If your country isn’t in a full on lockdown you are going to be exposed to Covid full stop at some point in the next year or two. You don’t know it, but you are on the herd immunity plan. Kevin might be an irresponsible dickhead, but society is full of them and unless you dig a hole and stay there for two years, you’re going to run into a thousand more chances to be exposed. The tone of your op leads me to believe you don’t realize the situation you are in if you are actually out and about and working in an office still. So take a deep breath, if you aren’t immunocompromised and are in relatively good health and young, you have an extremely small chance of a negative outcome. You should still practice social distancing, especially around at risk people, and those people have to take responsibility for their own health as well. If your coworkers are as high risk as you seem to think, THEY should be at home, not Kevin.
Europe and the US fucked up but you can't apply that logic everywhere, many of the SE Asia countries are still in a stage where a lockdown can be avoided by actually quarantining people that are likely to have been infected/exposed to the virus. If your family member needed a test your whole household are encouraged to self-quarantine in Taiwan and Hong Kong, they have shown us such measure works well.
 

highrider

Banned
It's cute that you're so thankful you can still work.

I just got off of furlough, loan came through for the small collision repair shop I work for ( auto painter ) and I’m curious at how you arrive at that outlook I guess. I have savings but had it been a time in the not too distant past it would have been much worse. I have a son, a real life and things that people rely on me for.

I’m thankful every day I can work.
 

Paasei

Member
I just got off of furlough, loan came through for the small collision repair shop I work for ( auto painter ) and I’m curious at how you arrive at that outlook I guess. I have savings but had it been a time in the not too distant past it would have been much worse. I have a son, a real life and things that people rely on me for.

I’m thankful every day I can work.
I'm sad that you reply to one sentence and skip the entire elaboration as to how it could (possibly should) be done to those who can easily start working from home.

All people that can work from home here are given the option to do so in these times. Your employer needs to make that happen for you if they cannot guarantee you're safety like the required distance between one another and so on.
I am still going to work as well, as I work in an IKEA. My work does require me to be in the office area of the building. However, to those in the store and therefore don't have the option to work from home, have been granted security measures. Only 300 people are allowed in at any given time and their help desks are surrounded by plexiglass to name 2 examples.
My own colleagues are at home and we take turns per week who works alone from the office.
 
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