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[S0ULZB0URNE]

And I'm getting ZD9/Z9D vibes.

Sony Shows Off Next-Gen TV Technology - And It Isn’t OLED

Sony targets way more brightness for less power consumption with new Mini LED display

www.forbes.com

 

[OverHeat]

Mmm interesting

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

*Flagship

Fix pls!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

4:40 in

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

 

[Magic Carpet]

My next big TV Will most likely have this tech.
Assuming it’s not priced to the moon.
Going above 82 inches not much available anymore.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

there needs to be ai browser tech so that i never have to see this guys dumb face in a youtube thumbnail ever again

 

[Sleepwalker]

I'd only consider it to watch sports on the bright living room

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Bold move they must be extremely confident in this breakthrough

 

[Diddy X]

But does it look better than OLED?

 

[YCoCg]

Bold move they must be extremely confident in this breakthrough

There have been some reports that MiniLED has been getting closer and closer to OLED for years now as the number of LEDs increase, so if Sony has pushed that forward even more then it'd be interesting to see the final specs.

 

[Bojji]

But does it look better than OLED?

In some scenes it will and in some others it won't.

There is no perfect tech right now so you have to choose LCD advantages and disadvantages or OLED advantages and disadvantages.

I'm team OLED

 

[ADiTAR]

Exciting news. Especially if it means lower cost for TVs in the future. Apple also uses MiniLED in their new macbooks.

 

[Rac3r]

And I'm getting ZD9/Z9D vibes.

Sony Shows Off Next-Gen TV Technology - And It Isn’t OLED

Sony targets way more brightness for less power consumption with new Mini LED display

www.forbes.com

Bought a 77" Sony OLED for my parents, and while its amazing for movies, I wasn't blown away when it comes to gaming, due to aggressive ABL/dimming. Will definitely pick up a mini-led as my personal TV for mixed usage if this reviews well.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Good. I hate Oled. I'll buy this

 

[Mister Wolf]

Sound and Vision: Sony looks to Mini LED for brighter, smarter HDR in 2024

OPINION: Steve May travels to Sony HQ Japan for insight into its 2024 TV plans, and hands-on with the brightest professional mastering monitor yet

www.trustedreviews.com

"There’s no perfect display device, admits Sony Distinguished Engineer Toshiyuku Ogura, but he seems to believe that Mini LED has the greatest potential, when it comes to colour volume, brightness and viewing angle."

 

[Fake]

Is kinda of smart move because if I remember right, Sony pay LG for the OLED panels, right?

But I do kinda hope for microLED in their top end TVs.

 

[Mister Wolf]

But does it look better than OLED?

 

[Bojji]

Sound and Vision: Sony looks to Mini LED for brighter, smarter HDR in 2024

OPINION: Steve May travels to Sony HQ Japan for insight into its 2024 TV plans, and hands-on with the brightest professional mastering monitor yet

www.trustedreviews.com

"There’s no perfect display device, admits Sony Distinguished Engineer Toshiyuku Ogura, but he seems to believe that Mini LED has the greatest potential, when it comes to colour volume, brightness and viewing angle."

I can't believe he speaks this bullshit about viewing angles, unless they develop some new LCD tech (other than VA and IPS) it will never have "greatest potential" in this regard.

White screen, the most common scene in movies.

 

[RoboFu]

I’ll have it!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

But does it look better than OLED?

Z9D does to me

 

[Del_X]

OLED is overrated for watching film but absolutely fine for games. I think I'd prefer the X95L over the G3 for the living room and keep my C2 as a monitor for gaming.

 

[rofif]

Whatever... it's still ips with ips glow and all those problems.
Or even worse - they put this backlight under va... yuck

 

[Mister Wolf]

I can't believe he speaks this bullshit about viewing angles, unless they develop some new LCD tech (other than VA and IPS) it will never have "greatest potential" in this regard.

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/technology/stories/entries/presidential_proclamation/

You think you know more than him about display tech?

 

[Solarstrike]

 

[Reallink]

Pretty telling that they chose to demo them in Vivid mode, against their low end OLED model with less than half the peak brightness of high end OLED models. Samsung/LG display arms probably raised (or didn't lower prices) on panels this years, while some Chinese firm offered them a bargain on LCD panels.

Can't really blame them though, as their OLEDs typically run $1000 - $1500 more expensive than their competitors for a few barely perceptible gains (and several regressions). Then again, they shouldn't have abandoned OLED research more than decade ago, and they wouldn't have to be buying their technology from the Koreans at inflated prices.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Whatever... it's still ips with ips glow and all those problems.
Or even worse - they put this backlight under va... yuck

No it isn't IPS.
VA looks great on angle.
If off angle it could be a issue for some but isn't for me.

 

[AJUMP23]

Tired of buying LG panels to put in their TVs.

 

[Bojji]

Whatever... it's still ips with ips glow and all those problems.
Or even worse - they put this backlight under va... yuck

IPS glow and low contrast without LD or shit viewing angles of VA and black smearing.

They slapped "mini led" branding on old tech and many people forgot general issues of LCD technology.

Sony is into it because it's cheaper to produce so they can get higher margins.

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/technology/stories/entries/presidential_proclamation/

You think you know more than him about display tech?

I have seen many LCD screens in my life and not even one of them had good viewing angles. IPS is much better than VA but worse in other aspects.

Core LCD tech hasn't advanced that much in years, most advances are done in back light tech.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

IPS glow and low contrast without LD or shit viewing angles of VA and black smearing.

They slapped "mini led" branding on old tech and many people forgot general issues of LCD technology.

Sony is into it because it's cheaper to produce so they can get higher margins.

We don't want to start listing oled issues again do we?

 

[Tommi84]

But does it look better than OLED?

As long as it's close I don't care, at least it won't have burn-ins.

Philips, you have 4 years before I change. I want one tv with mini-LED and ambilight, pleae. Abviously, cannoy cost an arm and a leg

 

[Sleepwalker]

IPS glow and low contrast without LD or shit viewing angles of VA and black smearing.

They slapped "mini led" branding on old tech and many people forgot general issues of LCD technology.

Sony is into it because it's cheaper to produce so they can get higher margins.



I have seen many LCD screens in my life and not even one of them had good viewing angles. IPS is much better than VA but worse in other aspects.

Core LCD tech hasn't advanced that much in years, most advances are done in back light tech.

Blooming as well, I could never.

I wouldn’t say blooming was entirely removed on our demonstration display, but it was the most suppressed by far I’ve seen with any mini LED screen to date.

 

[Mister Wolf]

We don't want to start listing oled issues again do we?

Like Black Crush

 

[rofif]

No it isn't IPS.
VA looks great on angle.
If off angle it could be a issue for some but isn't for me.

No va doesn't look good at an angle.
Even straight on, middle is darker than edges. VA cone gamma exists for a reason.
Off angle, the gamam suffers too. not to mention extreme blur which cannot be helped on va.

I will take ips over best va any day... that said - oled is light years ahead of both.

Btw. IPS glow is on every ips monitor. It's not a defect. It's just how the tech works. Even with very low brightness. We can add ips bleed to that which is a production defect and that's... on every ips screen essentailly.

Like Black Crush

I never found that to be a problem. Maybe vincent ses his stupid hgig even for movies....
OLED tv should be viewed with minimal light possible. If your shadow area in a movie is 20 nits and your room is 500 nits, that's obviously going to fight and obfuscate some of the shadowed areas.
Remember, the oled light floor is 0. Pixels can have any brightness. Not only on/off or few basic levels like mini leds.
Besides - LG created Dynamic Tone Mapping exactly for that reason. For movies especially. DTM would lift that area right up and it would look awesome.
I've switched from hgig to dtm after 2 years and I couldn't be happier. i also disabled tpc and gsr (dimming over time when no radical brightness change was detected). I have only c1 though. This is fixed on c3/g3.

I am not saying there isn't some black crush but it's way overblown out of proportions and dont exist when using dtm or many of other lift black or other settings available to you in the tv.
And that's still camera capture. When viewing in the middle of the night, your eyes have very good dynamic range.
When I got the tv, I was playing some horror games and even lowered in-game brightness to have it pitch black. lol it's like vr in the middle of the night

 

[YCoCg]

Bring on MicroLED already.

 

[King Dazzar]

Sound and Vision: Sony looks to Mini LED for brighter, smarter HDR in 2024

OPINION: Steve May travels to Sony HQ Japan for insight into its 2024 TV plans, and hands-on with the brightest professional mastering monitor yet

www.trustedreviews.com

"There’s no perfect display device, admits Sony Distinguished Engineer Toshiyuku Ogura, but he seems to believe that Mini LED has the greatest potential, when it comes to colour volume, brightness and viewing angle."

See that all sounds plausible up to the last part. And I prefer my Sony LCD over my OLED's, but there is no way currently that they'll beat emissive for off angle viewing.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No va doesn't look good at an angle.
Even straight on, middle is darker than edges. VA cone gamma exists for a reason.
Off angle, the gamam suffers too. not to mention extreme blur which cannot be helped on va.

I will take ips over best va any day... that said - oled is light years ahead of both.

Btw. IPS glow is on every ips monitor. It's not a defect. It's just how the tech works. Even with very low brightness. We can add ips bleed to that which is a production defect and that's... on every ips screen essentailly.

I never found that to be a problem. Maybe vincent ses his stupid hgig even for movies....
OLED tv should be viewed with minimal light possible. If your shadow area in a movie is 20 nits and your room is 500 nits, that's obviously going to fight and obfuscate some of the shadowed areas.
Remember, the oled light floor is 0. Pixels can have any brightness. Not only on/off or few basic levels like mini leds.
Besides - LG created Dynamic Tone Mapping exactly for that reason. For movies especially. DTM would lift that area right up and it would look awesome.
I've switched from hgig to dtm after 2 years and I couldn't be happier. i also disabled tpc and gsr (dimming over time when no radical brightness change was detected). I have only c1 though. This is fixed on c3/g3.

I am not saying there isn't some black crush but it's way overblown out of proportions and dont exist when using dtm or many of other lift black or other settings available to you in the tv.
And that's still camera capture. When viewing in the middle of the night, your eyes have very good dynamic range.
When I got the tv, I was playing some horror games and even lowered in-game brightness to have it pitch black. lol it's like vr in the middle of the night

Yes it does look great on Angle.

4:15 in

IPS and it's glowing blacks are terrible in comparison to a good VA.

 

[Fake]

Tired of buying LG panels to put in their TVs.

Pretty much this. Unless SONY started to make their own OLED panels, this sittuation is more like a win to win for them.

 

[rofif]

Yes it does look great on Angle.

4:15 in

IPS and it's glowing blacks are terrible in comparison to a good VA.

no. I had like 10 va monitors. I am not getting fooled again. Looks like shit in reality.
Angles are fine on bright scenes but terrible on dark/shadowy/grey scenes.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

no. I had like 10 va monitors. I am not getting fooled again. Looks like shit in reality.
Angles are fine on bright scenes but terrible on dark/shadowy/grey scenes.

You obviously never had one on the level of the ZD9/Z9D.

Besides...you lost all credibility saying IPS was better than VA and anyone who is in the know won't take you serious anymore

 

[rofif]

You obviously never had one on the level of the ZD9/Z9D.

Besides...you lost all credibility saying IPS was better than VA and anyone who is in the know won't take you serious anymore

It doesn't matter. VA is VA. Zones or not. It was, is and will be shitty tech.
Good IPS, with glossy screen, no backlight bleeding and limited ips glow can look good.
I will die on that hill. I extensively tested tens of monitors few years back before I got oled.

Stupid lg 27uk650 looked way better than 2x the price va monitors
edit: let me leiterate. Contrast is not everything. VA will always have bad va glow/contrast viewing angles. terrible motion and pixel response. always.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

It doesn't matter. VA is VA. Zones or not. It was, is and will be shitty tech.
Good IPS, with glossy screen, no backlight bleeding and limited ips glow can look good.
I will die on that hill. I extensively tested tens of monitors few years back before I got oled.

Stupid lg 27uk650 looked way better than 2x the price va monitors

It does matter.
Sony(the leaders in TV makers) again is choosing a VA panel for its flagship for a reason.
IPS is trash and Sony is better than LG.

 

[rofif]

It does matter.
Sony(the leaders in TV makers) again is choosing a VA panel for its flagship for a reason.
IPS is trash and Sony is better than LG.

Sony choosing VA for this is dooming the whole project.
Off angles gamma of dark scenes, middle of the screen being darker because of gamme (at least when viewing up close, not a problem on tv far away) and pixel response are not going to be fixed.
va is va. lcd is lcd. Why are you arguing facts.
They are inventing better backlight. It's not fixing ANY va issues.

 

[Senua]

Sony(the leaders in TV makers) again is choosing a VA panel for its flagship for a reason.

Profit?

Not a fan of local dimming.

 

[Arioco]

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/technology/stories/entries/presidential_proclamation/

You think you know more than him about display tech?

No, of course we don't think we know more, we just think he's lying to sell the TVs his company wants to manufacture. Like everyone who's ever seen an OLED and an LCD he's well aware OLED has better viewing angles too and the difference is not small. I thought that would be obvious.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Sony choosing VA for this is dooming the whole project.
Off angles gamma of dark scenes, middle of the screen being darker because of gamme (at least when viewing up close, not a problem on tv far away) and pixel response are not going to be fixed.
va is va. lcd is lcd. Why are you arguing facts.
They are inventing better backlight. It's not fixing ANY va issues.

It didn't doom the Sony in 2016/17
Keep repeating off angle nobody has debated that so you are talking to yourself.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Ooooh, interesting.

You know, they may know a thing or two about image quality and TV tech.

That, or their ridiculously overpriced OLEDs failed to reach sales expectations.

 

[King Dazzar]

Not sure arguing view points in absolutes is realistic or constructive.

I've seen rubbish IPS and I've seen a superb one too recently with Samsung. Surprisingly good. But also in my experience, not all VA panels are the same either. The CSOT ones will usually show a blue tint at times with any light diffuse type blooming, whilst AUO sourced ones are far better.

As for pixel response times. That can vary form TV to TV too and even size, within the same tier. I've seen very, very fast VA panels and slower ones too.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Profit?

Not a fan of local dimming.

AWARDS

 

[Senua]

That, or their ridiculously overpriced OLEDs failed to reach sales expectations.

Seems the most likely reason.

AWARDS