Mr.ODST
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Microsoft's Zenimax acquisition Is one of the reasons why Google closed its studios
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Give Jeff B credit for being Robin Hood. With that track record of game cancels a game studio would have closed ship after the first game cancellation.Makes sense. Hard to start a studio from scratch if you dont already have the expertise.
I bet google was also looking at Amazon game studios and decided... yeah.. thats whats gonna happen to us.
sublimit
Banned
I could have sworn on the most dearest persons in my life that the title was worded very differently when i made my previous post as in "Microsoft's Zenimax acquisition is the reason why Google closed its studios". Did you asked the mods to stealth edit it?
In any case if i read it wrongly my sincere apologies.Did you read my post where i quoted parts of the article? If i didn't read the article then how could i quote parts of it?
Like i said in my previous post where is the proof/documentation of Harrison's QA session?
But again like i said before even if he did say that it sounds more like a lame excuse for his own fuck up (once again) by blaming something beyond his power more than anything else.
Also i find your assumption regarding Alphabet very faulty. Do you remember a couple of years ago when the xbox division's future was also hanging in the air? Back then everyone was uncertain even if there will be an Xbox in the future yet they changed their plans and gave the division another chance.
Same thing could have happened with Alphabet. Maybe they didn't showed true commitment so far but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have changed at some point.They have a massive wealth similar to MS so i don't think they got "scared" and said "Ok guys lets pack it up we can't compete".lol
There's something else behind what happened to Stadia and no one outside Google has a clue of what really happened.
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Oddvintagechap
Member
Buy Ubisoft call it a day. Whoever buys Ubisoft wins. All their games you can waste pointless hours competing the game. I was trying to finish black flag... end of story.
hybrid_birth
Gold Member
I guess the whole "we created xbox in 2001 because we didn't want Sony to win the living room" doesn't ring true anymore for Microsoft anymore.I mean... They did say google was the competition, not Sony.
I don't believe Microsoft, competition is good for the industry. They copy alot of what Sony does. Free games with gold, blu ray drive, free to play games not behind paywall, used games allowed, offline console play etc. All things Sony did first.
But I could be wrong.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Rubik8
Member
This is the doomsday scenario. I won’t be shocked if this happens.
Captain Toad
Banned
"Oh, we don't have to figure out this gaming thing? We just have to buy companies that already have? Sweet. Write the checks".
Little do they realize how companies like EA and Microsoft run these companies they purchase into the ground and become a mere shell of their former selves.
Little do they realize how companies like EA and Microsoft run these companies they purchase into the ground and become a mere shell of their former selves.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Microsoft became the big dog with that aquisition. Google knew.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
It's already been happening with the PC digital platforms. One has to download a launcher to play some games, share their payment info and email on it, etc. It's getting tiring and I don't want my personal info spread across several platforms (at this point it's Microsoft, Origin, Ubisoft, and Steam). Though Microsoft is unavoidable because my Microsoft account is also used for work and my personal PC (Azure, Exchange Online, Office 365 ....).
Anyway, I hope no streaming platform ever acquires full-time exclusive rights to a really good game. I'm just never going to stream games until home internet connections are redundant somehow and data caps in the US are somehow regulated into non-existence.
Iced Arcade
Member
Lol joke post right? Literally can do the same but reversed. (Not to mention, it isn't part of the topic so defending your favored Corp isn't needed Soldier)
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Woo-Fu
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It was another event "beyond their control" that can be blamed for abject failure. Any Stadia postmortem needs to focus internally, not externally.
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
The worst case scenario is if all the big tech firms start buying up devs for their walled-garden streaming services. That would lead to a total collapse of the industry.
ZehDon
Gold Member
The article you read detailed it. If you're raising the evidentiary requirement above the reporting requirements of the article you've quoted, I think you'll find yourself in a rabbit hole that doesn't end favourably.
So, the article is wrong when it says he said it, but even if he said it, he's lying and you're still correct? The number of people who are required to be lying for your position to be true makes this rather unlikely.
My presumption is perfectly valid. For the same reasons I was skeptical about Microsoft suddenly breaking out the cheque book I am just as skeptical as Alphabet suddenly reversing their current trajectory. Unlike Microsoft, Alphabet have made precisely one positive moves for Stadia to date - getting Ubisoft on board. To date, Microsoft have twenty years of positive moves for us to base presumptions upon. Your biased towards Alphabet's unknowns while rejecting Microsoft's knowns.
Please share your insider knowledge. I'll ping a mod to get you vetted.
jakinov
Member
Though it would have been better that they tried. I don't think it's a huge loss. Being a game publisher/developer can be lucrative but it's far less lucrative if you only release to one platform. At least for Sony, Microsoft or Nitnendo when the games only sell okay, it still helps entice people to come play them, help their install base and increase the chances of royalty or service payments. Google doesn't need to convince you to buy a console. They just need you to buy games. If Google wanted to make good money from publishing games they'd do it for all platforms and would have been in the business before Stadia. But this is seemingly only for the sake of attracting people to the platform.
Google still has other ways to make people try the platform with price promotions, paid exclusivity and continuing to improve the platform. But again it would have been better if they also had games you couldn't play anywhere else to get people to try the platform too.
Google still has other ways to make people try the platform with price promotions, paid exclusivity and continuing to improve the platform. But again it would have been better if they also had games you couldn't play anywhere else to get people to try the platform too.
Derktron
Banned
That will only work if they make Bethesda games exclusive to their platforms along with PC.
Derktron
Banned
Google kills anything they come in contact with, now with Microsoft I don’t get the hate with them. They haven’t shut down anything so far, unlike EA recently over the years.
the fuck they could. microsoft made ~$12 billion profit more than google. this difference alone is almost 2 zenimax, or 2x the profit of sony, or 1/3 of googles profit.
i love kotakus meaning of close. profit diff is 12 billion, market cap difference is $400 fuckin billion
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SenjutsuSage
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I'm not surprised. Games precisely like the ones Bethesda makes, such as Fallout, Elder Scrolls etc., would be precisely the types of games that would have been the perfect considerable gaming investments with exactly the style of game design that would have helped to take a service like Stadia to that next level. It would have greatly benefitted Stadia as a platform immensely to be able to have access to such games, and now they know it will never happen.
THE DUCK
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If true, this basically just proves Google has already 100% decided to end stadia. That studio acquisition was not a real reason to just end internal development, it would have to be the entire war, white flag up. Oh well, makes Google look really bad going forward into other ventures, they will lose trust with even more consumers.
Heisenberg007
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Methos#1975
Member
Or like Sony for that matter, Sony has killed more acquired studios than pretty much everyone outside EA
Shmunter
Member
Would love to see a list of shame. Evolution #1
sublimit
Banned
I'm obviously questioning the validity of Kotaku's "sources" when they present zero proof especially when Kotaku has been proven many times in the past to be talking out of their asses.
You are making assumptions about their intentions just like i do. A company's past doesn't mean shit when things and directions change everyday in this industry. We have seen that with Microsoft at the end of the 360 and at the start of last gen. Neither you nor i know what Alphabet wants. What we do know however (and that's a fact) is that they have more than enough power to buy anyone they want and "buy" their place in this industry by force just like MS did 20 years ago.
Some of you need to realize that your beloved MS is not the only big "shark" out there.
Please spare us your spinning and your fourth grade sarcasm. I never stated that i know something i'm only putting my logic into work here and questioning claims in Kotaku's article that shows ZERO proof. Unlike most of you fanboys who took this article as another opportunity to flex your e-penis.
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ZehDon
Gold Member
Not really; you're just disagreeing with something that doesn't fit your narrative and going to rather lengthy degrees to do so. Throwing shade at a shit-rag like Kotaku doesn't absolve you.
Claiming a company's past doesn't matter and then falling back on Kotaku's history to justify your bias reeks of double standards. Claiming Alphabet can easily buy their way into gaming, while failing to acknowledge that they have more failed and abandoned business ventures than Microsoft and Apple combined, reeks of cherry picking. When I highlight where you're going wrong, you result to name calling and accusations of fanboy-ism. "Beloved MS". "Unlike most of you fanboys". It seems you're not here to discuss much of anything. Have a good day; we're done here.
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YeulEmeralda
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Getting into the gaming industry this late without any experience? Suicide.
Nobody can beat Nintendo/Sony/Xbox.
sublimit
Banned
CeeJay
Member
They could... But, that's not what they appear to be doing. The consumer marketing for Stadia has gone, they have shut down all their internal studios and pivoted towards offering the Stadia tech for third parties to use. This points to Google abandoning their consumer facing Stadia service completely for the time being. Any revenue based investments they had have been stopped and they are now in damage reduction mode trying to recoup as much of their capital investment in the infrastructure and software by offering this to third parties. This is a last ditch attempt to gain a foothold. Their tools, api and hardware will slowly age into obselecioncy and unless the future revenue covers the continued development of these things Google will quietly shut it down in a year or two. If however they do gain traction offering their service to third parties we could see them try to relaunch a first party consumer service although it won't be called Stadia and will have a different model. Whichever way you look at this though, Stadia is dead.
MadPanda
Banned
How can that be true if they're looking to sell stadia completely? You're just fearmongering here.
Varteras
Gold Member
I agree that the more likely scenario is that Stadia just fades from consumer use to being licensed to other companies for streaming. What bothers me is that they are buying exclusivity for Stadia. Timed or otherwise. Now, these deals were probably made prior to the decision to shut down their first party but I'm going to remain very cautious. Google has a lot of money and had a very clear intent to be a major player in the industry. That they talk about the ZeniMax acquisition as having come to some realization about what it takes to compete in this market bothers me. Because the burning question in everyones' head should be are they saying they're not willing to go that far or are they looking to copy Microsoft? I hope it's the former and not the latter. Google is not a company I want to be a presence in gaming beyond what YouTube provides. Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, and the PC market already provide enough options.
michaelius
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That's because they only made public plans to shut down stadia studios.
If you asume that Stadia is being quietly shutdown or put on minimal lifesupport since Google decided they don't want to spend tens of bilions of dollars to compete with MS - then it all makes perfect sense.
hemo memo
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Ftfy
Mr.ODST
Member
“Competing service” 10 million gamepass subs vs 1 stadia users
01011001
Banned
every Microsoft game comes to gamepass so they also come to xCloud. their direct competition.
with xCloud having exclusivity to every Bethesda game they will face even stronger competition than they already have anyways.
so I guess that's the connection
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kyussman
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So instead of doubling down on exclusive content to make their service more attractive to gamers....they just gave up,lol.....as a potential customer(not really,I'm never touching Stadia,but you know what I mean),this doesn't make me think they have much confidence for the future of the service.....neither do I.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
google probably thought they could half ass it and cheap out.
ms threw some lettuce about and google noped out. simple. probably has Sony spooked too because they know they don't have that much to spend. MS ain't even done. they could drop another $7b and not notice it.
ms threw some lettuce about and google noped out. simple. probably has Sony spooked too because they know they don't have that much to spend. MS ain't even done. they could drop another $7b and not notice it.
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And Sony created Playstation as a middle finger to Nintendo, but that doesn't really ring true anymore either.
Derktron
Banned
Really? I was under the impression that Sony is the savior of gaming.