Edmund
Member
You made me spill my water here lol!!! Yeap we should just let MS buy everything!
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Are you seriously suggesting that the CMA is going to do her a solid and block the deal for her because she's being bullied for just doing her job?
PaintTinJr
Member
I take your point that the most recent provisional numbers aren't strictly Microsoft's, although I thought they only differed by values, rather than being distinctly different methodologies, as say compared to the first numbers.But they did redo their calculations.
Hold them to account for what?
The thing is, the CMA didn't use Microsoft's numbers.
This first picture shows that the CMA didn't just use Microsoft's numbers. They used their own judgement and model to come to their conclusions.
And this picture shows that with their own model, under all scenarios, taking CoD from Playstation would result in $X Billion in losses.
As for another set of numbers, I'd misread it the first time, and they were - on a second read - talking about Sony's alternative numbers which they weren't going to use in preference.
PaintTinJr
Member
I'm suggesting they will see how rigged the game is with lobbying in the US - when Senators are showing such disregard for actual competition and anti-trust by attacking the FTC - and in turn feel in a 50/50 scenario it safer to regulate mega corps sternly and proactively, than be indifferent and let things pass.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
There was nothing to take personally except for the nonsensical take about company love of course ignoring your clear preference for a particular company.
You think Lina Khan is doing a great job? I strongly disagree agree and presented evidence. Clearly you've taken this personally by defending her honor against people who talk her looks and gender over actually refuting the issues people have with her tenure. You haven't presented one actual fact to counter the hollowing out of the FTC of career lawyers and the resignation of two board members. But sure it's MY issue.
laynelane
Member
There was nothing to take personally except for the nonsensical take about company love of course ignoring your clear preference for a particular company.
You think Lina Khan is doing a great job? I strongly disagree agree and presented evidence. Clearly you've taken this personally by defending her honor against people who talk her looks and gender over actually refuting the issues people have with her tenure. You haven't presented one actual fact to counter the hollowing out of the FTC of career lawyers and the resignation of two board members. But sure it's MY issue.
You really are hopeless, aren't you? I won't waste my time replying to you again. Bye.
TheGodfather07
Member
Only Microsoft can make so many acquisitions and still gain no ground on the competition. You would think the xbox brand would spread leprosy, the way its avoided by people. Especially Europe. Even in America they are losing ground.
They are on cusp of acquiring the biggest publisher in the industry, yet they are getting outsold 2 to 1 on their strongest turf. I mean its not like sony have a much cheaper console or have even released that many games, so what is the reason for this? Don't both systems have hogwarts and resident evil 4? Sony are getting massive boosts while Microsoft are down yoy. It's a mindshare problem. Will owning Activision change this in any way? We'll have to see. Shifting mindshare is very difficult though. Maybe cod exclusivity is the only way for Microsoft to even begin turning things around.
They are on cusp of acquiring the biggest publisher in the industry, yet they are getting outsold 2 to 1 on their strongest turf. I mean its not like sony have a much cheaper console or have even released that many games, so what is the reason for this? Don't both systems have hogwarts and resident evil 4? Sony are getting massive boosts while Microsoft are down yoy. It's a mindshare problem. Will owning Activision change this in any way? We'll have to see. Shifting mindshare is very difficult though. Maybe cod exclusivity is the only way for Microsoft to even begin turning things around.
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feynoob
Gold Member
Why are people acting like 3 year old, when it comes to these topics.
Did no one learn that things take time, and you cant build a house in overnight?
Things take time. They dont get fixed immediately.
Gmaers are really a bunch of impatient kids.
ulantan
Member
It's been almost a decade of decline
TheGodfather07
Member
Do you have amnesia? How long have Microsoft been in the industry? Why does it take them 30 plus years and billions and billions just to build something when much smaller companies can do it in much less time and with substantially less resources?
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feynoob
Gold Member
Its just 1 gen, 1 gen for godsake.
ulantan
Member
And 3 years into the next one
feynoob
Gold Member
long enough to know what I need.
feynoob
Gold Member
Yes, which they have better studios, and would be releasing 3 AAA games this year.
We are in april, not december. Wait for the year to end, and see what will happen.
ulantan
Member
They have said wait till next year for almost 10 years excuse me for not thinking that this time would be different.
TheGodfather07
Member
Remember the wait for e3 meme from like 2016? It's been 7 fucking years since then and we're still hearing the same thing! I didn't even have kids back then ffs! They're in school now! I'll be hearing the same when they're teenagers going to college and I'm having a mid life crisis in my 40s!
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
You really are hopeless, aren't you? I won't waste my time replying to you again. Bye.
feynoob
Gold Member
That is PR. Then there is reality.
Its not like they bought zenimax or in the process of buying activsion blizzard. Or have a service, which they can pay to have day1 games with their enourmous wallet.
All you need to look is the end of the rope, not where the rope is starting.
People are too focused on this Xbox vs PS talk.
Banjo64
cumsessed
DarkMage619
$MSFT
How many other consoles manufacturers have been able to enter this space with Sony and Nintendo to tremendous success? You think it's easy to build a console and sell it worldwide?
Sony never really had any significant competition and Nintendo just stopped competing with traditional consoles and focused on portables and hybrids. People seem to completely underestimate the brand recognition of Sony and Nintendo.
It takes a company like MS to even have a chance to last this long against these entrenched companies. X360 was MS' most popular console with many great games and it ended the generation last. You aren't beating Nintendo and Sony with purely consoles. That's why MS changed direction.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Forget the console element, why can’t they make good games with the same regularity as Sony and Nintendo?
Banjo64
cumsessed
You can buy an Xbox as your mid-life crisis
feynoob
Gold Member
Sure, money cant buy me love, but it will provide me safety.
Now all I need is to find a sugar mommy. Times are hard for a young man like me.
feynoob
Gold Member
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ulantan
Member
Yet they are behind in nearly every metric, and the gap widens. I don't want Microsoft to fail but their current direction is driving thier failure, And that causes ripples that fuck with the rest of the industry. When Microsoft finish this deal. Thier competition will become more aggressive because that's how competition works l. The gap will continue to widen. And Sony and everyone else is far less "kind" than Phil and friends. That's the end of the rope.
feynoob
Gold Member
Xbox has no brand awareness. It wont compete with PS, unless they build that awareness.
In order to do that, they need to regain their current market share, and by market share I mean the lost 30m sales from x360 share.
After that, they can talk about competing with PS.
How do they do that? Gain back the lost customers who left the brand to PS, give a reason why people need to buy an xbox, invest more in the platform.
Its not an easy process, as these things take time. They spent 4 years increasing their first party studios.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I'm sure her peers in the competition regulator discord are giving her plenty of supportive emotes. She'll be fine.
The game in the US works the way it works, just like anywhere else. The FTC's power is intended to be limited based on the separation of powers outlined in the US constitution. The FTC is supposed to ensure that competition is fair inasmuch as it doesn't break the law. It's not supposed to try to block acquisitions based on ideology.
Lina Khan has painted a target on her own back by trying to rig the game herself. She's moved to structure the FTC in a way that makes it difficult and expensive for the people and organizations her commission sues to seek due process under the law, one of the fundamental rights granted by the US Constitution. Her bid to limit the agency's accountability and expand its power has caused Congress and the Supreme Court to take a closer look. Now she's opened the commission up to legal challenges and will have to spend budget defending her ideology, making the commission less effective overall. There's no reason to feel sorry for her. She's not a damsel in distress. She's under attack because of her own actions.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FT saying CMA will approve.
Back to life
A round of diplomatic meetings, economic reports and an earnings season in full flourish make for a busy diarywww.ft.com
Boom.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Just to remind everyone as well, there was a mere 7 year gap between the PS launching in 1994 and the Xbox in 2001. Hardly an insurmountable gap for Xbox to claw back in the following 22 years.
If you want to talk western markets (EU/US) it was actually 6 years, 1995 to 2001.
If you want to talk western markets (EU/US) it was actually 6 years, 1995 to 2001.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
what
?...we already knew that...right?Unknown Soldier
Member
I don't really hate Xbox but the last one I had was the 360 and I've barely thought of it since.
I actually just bought a PS5 because of the recent Verizon sale and I opened up the bundled Astros Playroom thing to check it out and then I unexpectedly spent the next 3 hours drowning in happy nostalgia over the 4 previous generations of PlayStation. PS and Nintendo of those eras were my childhood and my young adulthood. I have so many happy memories of the classic games I played on the PS and Nintendo consoles growing up and in college.
I've never felt that way about Xbox. It's amazing how MS has been in video game consoles 20 years, less than a decade shorter time then Sony has, yet they have zero impression on my memories the way Nintendo and Sony have. MS had something good going with the 360 but they have since squandered that positive momentum with 2 completely wasted generations, no one cares about XBone or XBSX. I don't get what MS is doing but forcefully buying multi-platform publishers and studios and making them Xbox exclusive isn't going to get them goodwill with gamers.
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feynoob
Gold Member
That is what having no proper first party does to you.
MS slacked so hard in providing enough studios which can create alot of 1st party games to their platform.
Had they done that, MS wouldnt have had to experience Xbox one.
Xbox was designed to not to allow PS to become the dominant device in the living room. While that idea was good, it lacked the foundation steps that was needed for future steps.
Xbox one comeout and trashed all their hopes.
I don't believe Microsoft is arguing xCloud is a separate product. The market has decided that cloud gaming isn't viable as a separate product. That's why it's bundle with ultimate.
Also I'm sure MS has provided the CMA more granular data about the actual percentage of Ultimate subscribers who primarily stream their games on mobile devices vs PC/Console users who have the option to actually download the game. That would provide a accurate xCloud market number.
Bungie
Member
I have fond memories of them all but for me, Xbox stuck with me the most because of unforgettable online experiences & the friends I made along the way. With games like Halo to now like co-op survival in Grounded. That's still what Xbox is always on top of. Almost all the exclusives they do release, have some form of co-op / online multiplayer. Can't say that about Sony etc. So if you stuck in the single player lane, that could be why Xbox doesn't pop up in your mind like it does for some of us.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Huh? Who can do it? Microsoft is the most recent entry into the console market that is still in the market. Sony entered the market 7 years before them when Japan was still leading the way. No smaller companies could enter this market. Heck not many can enter gaming at all.
MS has been in the console space for a bit more than 20 years, not 30 years.
Demon2blades
Member
As a fellow resident of gb I can tell you now our "game" is a rigged as there's is Microsoft are having a talk at no 10 about gaming on the exact day The CMA decision is supposed to held its definitely going through .
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HoofHearted
Member
If you’re gonna say it… say it with style… like…
or…
or if you want to be a little more direct…
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
'Good games' are totally subjective. Most of MS's recent game releases have reviewed well. Every developer has their own strengths and weaknesses.
6 or 7 year uncontested presence in a market is hardly insurmountable? Name a gaming company that launched a more successful gaming business than MS while Nintendo and Sony have been in this space. Google? It is so easy to sit safe and comfortable on a forum and talk about how easy it is to get into the games industry.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Because Microsoft is such a niche brand.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Is that before or after they shelved their console business?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I think after.
El Pistolero
Banned
what
Yep, for weeks. Though, to be honest, people should have expected it earlier given how lagging the law is in regard to this particular sector. Also, MS is a very powerful entity, with some of the most aggressive lobbyists in the US...What MS wants, it usually gets. Still, interested in seeing whether the CMA will formulate any behavioural remedies...
This is supposed to happen this week, right?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Then I don't know if I would compare them 1 : 1. MS is selling the console hardware at a loss so that eats up a big portion of the gaming divisions revenue. Sega reportedly lost hundreds of millions in the final year(s) of the Dreamcast.
what
Many users were just very recently talking about divestment or blocking of the deal. It was expected for most of us, but not all.
Anyway, the understated boom because it isn't officially approved yet.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
this week is going to be jam-packed...news, drama and meltdowns
ManaByte
Rage Bait Youtuber
Sega was successful for ONE generation, and mostly due to the US (the SFC sold more than the MD LTD on its first day in Japan). Then SOJ stuck their heads so far up their own asses that it killed them. Sega was only in the console business for 18 years. MS is in its 22nd.
El Pistolero
Banned
I think that the worst is behind us. Only situation in which all hell would break loose, is if MS were to announce that COD is going full exclusive shortly...
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