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Michael Moore: "5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win"

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Documentarian Michael Moore offers some terrifyingly astute commentary on how Trump could actually win in November. He unfortunately raises some very good points in this opinion piece.

Before reading, a couple of things to keep in mind: Moore is known for being an extreme pessimist in his views. He also predicted we'd have a President Romney 4 years ago.

But still, it's a scary reminder that none of us can afford to stay home in November, nor allow our sane friends and relatives to stay home.

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Friends:

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.

I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!

You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts – “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!” – or logic – “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!” – is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “a small plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to – we need to – hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a shit show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”

Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen – and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.

Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women – check. Abortion should be legal – check. Stronger environmental laws – check. More gun control – check. Legalize marijuana – check. A huge shift has taken place – just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.

But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November – who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, Dick and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot? That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.

Here are the 5 reasons Trump is going to win:

1. Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Four traditionally Democratic states – but each of them have elected a Republican governor since 2010 (only Pennsylvania has now finally elected a Democrat). In the Michigan primary in March, more Michiganders came out to vote for the Republicans (1.32 million) that the Democrats (1.19 million). Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states. When Trump stood in the shadow of a Ford Motor factory during the Michigan primary, he threatened the corporation that if they did indeed go ahead with their planned closure of that factory and move it to Mexico, he would slap a 35% tariff on any Mexican-built cars shipped back to the United States. It was sweet, sweet music to the ears of the working class of Michigan, and when he tossed in his threat to Apple that he would force them to stop making their iPhones in China and build them here in America, well, hearts swooned and Trump walked away with a big victory that should have gone to the governor next-door, John Kasich.

From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here. Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever shit he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!

And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November.

2. The Last Stand of the Angry White Man.
Our male-dominated, 240-year run of the USA is coming to an end. A woman is about to take over! How did this happen?! On our watch! There were warning signs, but we ignored them. Nixon, the gender traitor, imposing Title IX on us, the rule that said girls in school should get an equal chance at playing sports. Then they let them fly commercial jets. Before we knew it, Beyoncé stormed on the field at this year’s Super Bowl (our game!) with an army of Black Women, fists raised, declaring that our domination was hereby terminated! Oh, the humanity!

That’s a small peek into the mind of the Endangered White Male. There is a sense that the power has slipped out of their hands, that their way of doing things is no longer how things are done. This monster, the “Feminazi,”the thing that as Trump says, “bleeds through her eyes or wherever she bleeds,” has conquered us — and now, after having had to endure eight years of a black man telling us what to do, we’re supposed to just sit back and take eight years of a woman bossing us around? After that it’ll be eight years of the gays in the White House! Then the transgenders! You can see where this is going. By then animals will have been granted human rights and a fuckin’ hamster is going to be running the country. This has to stop!

3. The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.

Let’s face it: Our biggest problem here isn’t Trump – it’s Hillary. She is hugely unpopular — nearly 70% of all voters think she is untrustworthy and dishonest. She represents the old way of politics, not really believing in anything other than what can get you elected. That’s why she fights against gays getting married one moment, and the next she’s officiating a gay marriage. Young women are among her biggest detractors, which has to hurt considering it’s the sacrifices and the battles that Hillary and other women of her generation endured so that this younger generation would never have to be told by the Barbara Bushes of the world that they should just shut up and go bake some cookies. But the kids don’t like her, and not a day goes by that a millennial doesn’t tell me they aren’t voting for her. No Democrat, and certainly no independent, is waking up on November 8th excited to run out and vote for Hillary the way they did the day Obama became president or when Bernie was on the primary ballot. The enthusiasm just isn’t there. And because this election is going to come down to just one thing — who drags the most people out of the house and gets them to the polls — Trump right now is in the catbird seat.

4. The Depressed Sanders Vote.
Stop fretting about Bernie’s supporters not voting for Clinton – we’re voting for Clinton! The polls already show that more Sanders voters will vote for Hillary this year than the number of Hillary primary voters in ’08 who then voted for Obama. This is not the problem. The fire alarm that should be going off is that while the average Bernie backer will drag him/herself to the polls that day to somewhat reluctantly vote for Hillary, it will be what’s called a “depressed vote” – meaning the voter doesn’t bring five people to vote with her. He doesn’t volunteer 10 hours in the month leading up to the election. She never talks in an excited voice when asked why she’s voting for Hillary. A depressed voter. Because, when you’re young, you have zero tolerance for phonies and BS. Returning to the Clinton/Bush era for them is like suddenly having to pay for music, or using MySpace or carrying around one of those big-ass portable phones. They’re not going to vote for Trump; some will vote third party, but many will just stay home. Hillary Clinton is going to have to do something to give them a reason to support her — and picking a moderate, bland-o, middle of the road old white guy as her running mate is not the kind of edgy move that tells millenials that their vote is important to Hillary. Having two women on the ticket – that was an exciting idea. But then Hillary got scared and has decided to play it safe. This is just one example of how she is killing the youth vote.

5. The Jesse Ventura Effect. Finally, do not discount the electorate’s ability to be mischievous or underestimate how any millions fancy themselves as closet anarchists once they draw the curtain and are all alone in the voting booth. It’s one of the few places left in society where there are no security cameras, no listening devices, no spouses, no kids, no boss, no cops, there’s not even a friggin’ time limit. You can take as long as you need in there and no one can make you do anything. You can push the button and vote a straight party line, or you can write in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. There are no rules. And because of that, and the anger that so many have toward a broken political system, millions are going to vote for Trump not because they agree with him, not because they like his bigotry or ego, but just because they can. Just because it will upset the apple cart and make mommy and daddy mad. And in the same way like when you’re standing on the edge of Niagara Falls and your mind wonders for a moment what would that feel like to go over that thing, a lot of people are going to love being in the position of puppetmaster and plunking down for Trump just to see what that might look like. Remember back in the ‘90s when the people of Minnesota elected a professional wrestler as their governor? They didn’t do this because they’re stupid or thought that Jesse Ventura was some sort of statesman or political intellectual. They did so just because they could. Minnesota is one of the smartest states in the country. It is also filled with people who have a dark sense of humor — and voting for Ventura was their version of a good practical joke on a sick political system. This is going to happen again with Trump.

Coming back to the hotel after appearing on Bill Maher’s Republican Convention special this week on HBO, a man stopped me. “Mike,” he said, “we have to vote for Trump. We HAVE to shake things up.” That was it. That was enough for him. To “shake things up.” President Trump would indeed do just that, and a good chunk of the electorate would like to sit in the bleachers and watch that reality show.

(Next week I will post my thoughts on Trump’s Achilles Heel and how I think he can be beat.)

ALSO: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/michael-moores-5-reasons-why-trump-will-win

Yours,
Michael Moore

Call me "SAD!" and build a wall around me if old.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Nate Silver was tweeting that he thinks Trump has a very real chance and its closer than what most people are assuming
 

RPGCrazied

Member
The country is fucked if he wins. I hope everyone that votes for him realizes this. How can you look in the mirror knowing that you voted this ass clown into power?
 

CDX

Member
IIRC Michael Moore said similar stuff in 2008 about McCain winning, and again in 2012 about Romney winning.

So he has a great track record with this stuff.
 
Nate Silver was tweeting that he thinks Trump has a very real chance and its closer than what most people are assuming

That's the thing I hate. Even on GAF I still see people who think that Hillary is still 100% going to the white house.

Trump can still win. He's a damn demagogue, and he managed to beat other candidates who actually had experience in politics.

Michael Moore wants people to make sure to not get complacent. Therefore, says he thinks trump will win.

Yup, it needs to be said consistently. People need to be reminded that we can't remain complacent.
 

Tak3n

Banned
The country is fucked if he wins. I hope everyone that votes for him realizes this. How can you look in the mirror knowing that you voted this ass clown into power?

I am not American but what I can tell you the anti establishment vote was massive here in the uk at the recent referendum. People are sick and tired of the status quo....
 
Don't really mind people saying all this stuff. Even though it's not really true, it'll get people to vote. I have a feeling there's gonna be historical turnout this year.
 
Ridiculous.
If the blacks and hispanics are facing to have a racist tyranny as their president, they will as well take a week off just to stand in a line to vote for the opposite.
And isn't Bernie supporting Hillary now?
 

MIMIC

Banned
I was on the phone yesterday with a family member. Just out of curiosity, I asked, "Who are you voting for?"

Family member: "Trump."

Me: "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."

I was absolutely stunned. That phone call literally turned into a 2-hour plea of me trying to get them to reconsider their vote (2 hours and 1 minute to be exact). And after before the call ended, I told them that I will make it my life's purpose to get them to reconsider.

Then it dawned on me: more people are voting for Trump than I had expected. -____-
 
I appreciate what Moore is trying to do here(don't get complacent Dems). Yes Trump has a very real shot at winning(one of two choices), that's only if we don't show up to vote.

Like Obama, I do believe the American people will do the right thing in the end. Even though they will love to fuck around with the idiocy that is Trump up till the very end.
 

Moosichu

Member
I am not American but what I can tell you the anti establishment vote was massive here in the uk at the recent referendum. People are sick and tired of the status quo....

There is no status quo. The world is in constant flux. Unlike Brexit, there is also sexism, homophobia and racism involved instead of just immigration fear mongering.

Donald Trump would devastate the country.
 

Tagyhag

Member
While I disagree, I'm glad Moore wrote this. Because people can't just be like "Of course Hillary is going to win, I'm not even going to bother to vote"

If Hillary were to lose, this will be the only reason why.

While I think the people in this country can be really shitty sometimes. The majority of the voting populace do NOT support Trump. He will only win if people do not vote.
 

AJLma

Member
#5 sounds about right from what I've been hearing lately. A lot of "I'd never vote for Trump, but he's right about..."'s lately on social media.
 

Mr. X

Member
IIRC Michael Moore said similar stuff in 2008 about McCain winning, and again in 2012 about Romney winning.

So he has a great track record with this stuff.
It's pretty great to be in the mindset of "worst case scenario" in this situation imo.

Fear is our ally here.
 

Permanently A

Junior Member
The constant sentiment of "Its fine, there's no way Hillary can lose!" is what really scares me. Overconfidence is how we get upsets.
 
Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever shit he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!

And because of that, and the anger that so many have toward a broken political system, millions are going to vote for Trump not because they agree with him, not because they like his bigotry or ego, but just because they can. Just because it will upset the apple cart and make mommy and daddy mad. And in the same way like when you’re standing on the edge of Niagara Falls and your mind wonders for a moment what would that feel like to go over that thing, a lot of people are going to love being in the position of puppetmaster and plunking down for Trump just to see what that might look like.

Yep. I think people are underestimating this. Quite a bit.
 

Stuart444

Member
I can honestly see that if Trump gets into power, one of two things will happen (or possibly both)

1. World War 3. I don't know, I just think Trump is stupid enough to start a full out War.

2. Someone assassinates Trump. (which will probably lead to some sort of Civil War among people who supported him thinking that people who didn't support him are the reason he got assassinated because reasons).

Basically, the World is fucked if Trump becomes president.
 

Gallbaro

Banned
The constant sentiment of "Its fine, there's no way Hillary can lose!" is what really scares me. Overconfidence is how we get upsets.

She is the chosen one remember? People voted for her because she was the sure thing and most electable with supremes on the line.
 

Mahonay

Banned
I agree with others in here that articles like this are good because hopefully it will scare people enough to get out and vote.

We absolutely 100 percent cannot afford to have a Trump presidency. Although I said the same thing about Bush...
 
I definitely think Drump has a way better shot them Mccain and Romney just seeing all the old white racist people with his dumb hat and shirt in fucking New York.
 

Phyranion

Member
My understanding is that things have been going downwards in the US for a long time now, and people are fed up. Clinton represents the same old politicans who are responsible for the current situation, and Trump represents something new. It's not surprising that people want to try something new, if the status quo isn't working. I'm not from the US though, so I'm only guessing.
 

ezekial45

Banned
This article is definitely intended to get people motivated to vote. Good. I underestimated Trump's chances. I did not expect things to get to where we are now, and I'm fucking scared.
 

Xando

Member
Been thinking about this since brexit happened. You Americans underestimate Trump. Everyone i spoke to before Brexit was like "Why bother vote we'll remain anyway" and now they're scrambling to somehow move to mainland europe of lose their jobs.

As he says the angry white man will go vote in november and we better hope everyone else will otherwise we might get a result no one wants
 
I am not American but what I can tell you the anti establishment vote was massive here in the uk at the recent referendum. People are sick and tired of the status quo....
Yeah and just as those Britons fucked themselves, so will the Americans (hopefully not though).
 

Jonnax

Member
There is no status quo. The world is in constant flux. Unlike Brexit, there is also sexism, homophobia and racism involved instead of just immigration fear mongering.

Donald Trump would devastate the country.

Well there was quite a bit of racism involved with the Brexit vote imho.

Most people won't care because they don't have an understanding of anything beyond their tiny world.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
I go back and forth between being cocky about Hillary to being petrified that I'm cocky. The thing that keeps swinging me back from the edge is the electoral math. I just don't see Trump sweeping the Midwest rust belt. I really have no clue how he gets to 270.
 

Stuart444

Member
or how you get people to vote for Trump "because i thought Hillary was going to win anyway"

Voting for Trump as a joke you mean because "I didn't think it'd matter because Hilary was going to win anyway?"

because that type of thing happened in the Brexit referendum in the UK. It's a real thing indeed.
 

water_wendi

Water is not wet!
It's pretty great to be in the mindset of "worst case scenario" in this situation imo.

Fear is our ally here.

The only problem is that fear is used every election cycle which means people will become desensitized to claims and evidence that Trump is going to be big trouble for the country. In retrospect the intense fear mongering of Obama might help pave the way to Trump victory. "The Republicans have been saying Obama is going to destroy the nation for a decade and things are pretty good. Now its just the Democratic parties time to be alarmist, i guess."
 
Hrm. I've read enough Micheal Moore to know he can be a crackpot. I remember reading a bit where he claimed recycling was a scam because of some really anecdotal "I saw this one thing once" evidence.

Still it's worth pushing the fact that President Trump is not impossible.

That said, saying he's definitly going to win seems far too certain, at best it's hyperbole and at worst it's more crackpottery. Trump's still looking at an uphill battle.
 

TheFatOne

Member
Nate Silver was tweeting that he thinks Trump has a very real chance and its closer than what most people are assuming

Some of this is because his credibility took a bit of a hit when he decided to put his pundit hat on during the primaries. I still can't figure out how in his model Hilarys chance dropped nearly 20% on what I can see were two polls, and the RNC.

Edit: Fucked up I meant to say the 20% drop in Florida.
 
You can stress the importance of voting without resorting to blatant fear mongering.

Moore's relevancy is tied it though so I can see why he'd try to whip people up like this.
 

Kraftwerk

Member
I honestly think he will win.

Way too many people are treating this whole thing like a joke, even after all of this. You had people just a few months ago saying it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to be the nominee.


And this isnt directed at anyone, but lot of salty Bernie supporters are gonna not vote for Hillary just out of spite. Im not even talking about them voting for Trump instead, as it seems like that group also exists. Im talking about people not voting for anyone since they are Bernie supporters and they feel betrayed by the system.

Just my two cents.
 

Volimar

Member
He's dead on about Ohio. Loads of disaffected white people who feel left behind and lied to (and who listen to all the wrong people on TV and radio). Even worse than that is the fact that Kasich has worked for years to make it harder for people to vote. Ohio had same day registration and week long early voting before the republicans took control. They also made it easier to throw out ballots and easier for counties to limit the number of voting machines at polling places artificially inflating wait times. Thankfully, a federal court ruled that they couldn't enforce cuts to early voting and same day registration, and hopefully the ruling is upheld.

Keep your eye on Ohio.

Fuck you Kasich.
 

Lucreto

Member
Plot twist

The wall is not to keep illegal immigrants out but keep Americans in.

President Trump with his strong Russian allies will work together on a 5 year plan to make America great again.
 
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Way too many people are treating this whole thing like a joke, even after all of this. you had people just a few months ago saying it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to be the nominee, as it is an act and even if it came to that nobody would allow it.

This is blatantly false. It seems like people base their reasoning on why Trump will win, or the whole "Don't doubt him!!" thing on pure "feels" or meaningless anecdotes and not any actual supportive evidence.
 
I was on the phone yesterday with a family member. Just out of curiosity, I asked, "Who are you voting for?"

Family member: "Trump."

Me: "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."

I was absolutely stunned. That phone call literally turned into a 2-hour plea of me trying to get them to reconsider their vote (2 hours and 1 minute to be exact). And after before the call ended, I told them that I will make it my life's purpose to get them to reconsider.

Then it dawned on me: more people are voting for Trump than I had expected. -____-

I know people that haven't voted that will vote because of him, but also I do know people who never bothered that will to do so to vote AGAINST him.

It's scary, because this type of candidate really does bring in new voters(and could swing some others), but there's also people out there that are getting involved just to stand against him.

So, we'll see.
 
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