Then shouldn't the same apply to America, given PSP is outperforming DS here by a less significant rate than DS is outperforming PSP in Japan? Not to mention, here PSP still hasn't ovetaken the cumulative DS total, while in Japan DS has outsold PSP 2 to 1?The Abominable Snowman said:
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Go look back at these topics, before Nintendogs was released in Japankoam said:DS outsold the PSP the week Nintendogs was released in the USA.
I guess we should focus on Europe now?
PSP was regularly outselling DS, for about a 2 month period.
Everyone was harping on about the PSP beating down the DS and that Japan belonged to the Sony Faithful.
But then the Dogs released and the brain training and the rest of the bigger titles started coming.
Then people looked back at how the DS had no titles out for the period the PSP was outselling it.
Ring any bells?
sonycowboy
Member
jarrod said:
August will be the first month that your bolded statement above is true. Although, I expect that for the remainder of the year, the US performance will be much closer, which I can't say for Japan.
And, to your point, the same does apply to the US. PSP is struggling in Japan and DS is struggling in US/Europe (maybe was for the US depending on August NPD and whatever Sept PR Nintendo might put out).
It's far too early to try and determine who's going to be the handheld leader anywhere except Japan (which will be the DS easily)
sonycowboy
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Cragstar said:
Fixed
It's always about the software.
koam said:DS outsold the PSP the week Nintendogs was released in the USA.
I guess we should focus on Europe now?
Outsold by 5000-10,000 units?If that didn't happen in the week of the price cut + Nintendogs release it would have been a disater of epic proportions for DS.
Plus august will be probably the slowest month of the year for PSP in US with no new releases and the launch hype over.From Spetember on sales should start to increase again thanks to the strong lineup.
sonycowboy said:
That's not true.
In fact the DS and Gamecube had a span when they had about 10 COMBINED games released for both platforms for the span of 3 months in America.
The PSP has always had games out in Japan its just that you don't see them chart so you assume that they had no releases.
If he can say,
then you can say
but based on the fact Japan's release lists for PSP and DS have been discussed before (PSP being about equal on game releases or maybe even a couple of more games), and I know what's been released in the U.S. over the past few months for DS, I think you're both wrong.
The DS isn't quite back at 2x PSP total hardware in Japan, but I expect it will be before the end of the year. If the Brain Training games are released in Europe and not the U.S. (*shakes fist at NOA*), I'll probably be importing my first game from Europe. :-/
Cragstar said:
then you can say
sonycowboy said:
but based on the fact Japan's release lists for PSP and DS have been discussed before (PSP being about equal on game releases or maybe even a couple of more games), and I know what's been released in the U.S. over the past few months for DS, I think you're both wrong.
The DS isn't quite back at 2x PSP total hardware in Japan, but I expect it will be before the end of the year. If the Brain Training games are released in Europe and not the U.S. (*shakes fist at NOA*), I'll probably be importing my first game from Europe. :-/
I dunno... I expect WE PSP to probably sell on par with Mingol, SSM and other million selling PS2 brands on PSP (250-350k). PSP's first JP killer app will be Crisis Core FF7.Elios83 said:
Still, it's not like PSP's been barren. It's gotten successful brands like Tales, Bleach, Shutokou Battle, Ape Escape, Tenchu, PopoloCrois, Rockman Neo and others in the meantime.
Sgt. Killjoy
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AirBrian said:
god no.
Ignatz Mouse
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Always suspect round numbers.
Culex said:
I'm not so sure.
The PSP has much stronger and bigger releases for the rest of September in Japan.
It could start to pull ahead for a while.
Sony have White PSP, Pro Evo, Ghost in the Shell,Princess Crown, Formula One, Gundam Tactics and Guilty Gear all in the next few weeks.
Nintendo have Phoenix Wright and Tamagotchi DS (both could be big) but that's about it.
Of course GB Micro with thrash them both but it could also cut into sales of the DS (or PSP if Nintendo are lucky).
ki/oon's been reliable before, his previous sales data has always been correct.ki/oon said:
as for ds sales, wow! it managed 58k without any new releases!!!
i think the most significant thing the japanese sales have been showing is, if nintendo had released a more traditional handheld, to match psp, they wouldn't have had such amazing success.
the ds is selling so well because of what it isn't, as much as what it is. it isn't a conventional handheld, it's different. it offers new ways to play existing games and new games to play. nearly 2.5 million games sold on ds are from new ips, with ~ 1.6 million of those coming from nintendogs and the brain games!
traditional videogames are on a decline in japan and the ds is really helping to bring some life back into the market, which is a great achievement!
Frankfurter
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OMFG @ DS sales
22000 PSP sales = Lots of loss
Lack of high software sales = Lots of loss
UMD sales ok = bit of revenue.!
Sony relied on software sales being high to recoup money lost on Hardware.
In Japan its not happening, so sales of hardware and low software sales, must be hurting Sony.
massive hardware and software sales on games which cost pittance to make = money for Nintendo
Lack of high software sales = Lots of loss
UMD sales ok = bit of revenue.!
Sony relied on software sales being high to recoup money lost on Hardware.
In Japan its not happening, so sales of hardware and low software sales, must be hurting Sony.
massive hardware and software sales on games which cost pittance to make = money for Nintendo
Forgotten Ancient
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Didn't we say the same about you a few weeks ago? :lol
I trust these numbers tho - Good job DS!
[Phoenix]Japan is lost!!! It's time to get the few surviving PSP owners out of there and relocate to the West, where there's still a chance.[/Phoenix]
Seriously...the gap ain't unbeatable yet, but this is without Pokemon ffs. There is some serious ass-rapage coming over there if that software library doesn't shape up quick. And to think, I thought it was the price that would do it in. PEACE.
Seriously...the gap ain't unbeatable yet, but this is without Pokemon ffs. There is some serious ass-rapage coming over there if that software library doesn't shape up quick. And to think, I thought it was the price that would do it in. PEACE.
Virgin Wii
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When I bought my DS yesterday, the manager of the store walked by and said, "So, someone's taking the plunge, huh?"
Not to sound like a broken record, but if Sony doesn't do something soon, they're going to lose a large ammount of their Japanese PSP support (if they havent already...wait for TGS I guess)
Nobody wants to make games for a console when people aren't buying it.
(and yeah Europe and America, but these are Japanese companies. They think Japan first)
Nobody wants to make games for a console when people aren't buying it.
(and yeah Europe and America, but these are Japanese companies. They think Japan first)
Smiles and Cries
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go DS
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GDGF said:
Capcom just announced some heavy PSP support. So apparently the PSP's position didn't really matter to them. I suspect many other developers will be as forgiving for some time.
RE4 vs. SH4 said:
I would have been surprised if Capcom had not announced heavy PSP support, actually. As I sad in another thread, they kinda consider themselves the great equilizer of the playing field. They offered Dreamcast heavy support at first. They did the same with the Gamecube. Now it's the PSP's turn. If you think about it, receiving heavy Capcom support is a big flashing sign that your system is the underdog
And the final software numbers for this week.
1. PS2 Tales of Legendia - 51,676
2. NDS DS Training For Adults - 33,745
3. NDS Gentle Brain Exercises - 31,445
4. PS2 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E. - 27,598
5. PSP Bleach 2 - 26,446
6. NDS Jump Super Stars - 21,826
7. PS2 Winning Eleven 9 - 20,821
8. PS2 Naruto Uzumaki Ninden - 17,381
9. GBA Mushiking - Sega - 12,562
10. PS2 Winning Post 7 - 10,731
Titles in the top 50 by platform.
PS2 - 22
DS - 15
PSP - 7
GBA - 4
GC - 2
Xbox - 0
1. PS2 Tales of Legendia - 51,676
2. NDS DS Training For Adults - 33,745
3. NDS Gentle Brain Exercises - 31,445
4. PS2 Gundam Seed Destiny: Generation of C.E. - 27,598
5. PSP Bleach 2 - 26,446
6. NDS Jump Super Stars - 21,826
7. PS2 Winning Eleven 9 - 20,821
8. PS2 Naruto Uzumaki Ninden - 17,381
9. GBA Mushiking - Sega - 12,562
10. PS2 Winning Post 7 - 10,731
Titles in the top 50 by platform.
PS2 - 22
DS - 15
PSP - 7
GBA - 4
GC - 2
Xbox - 0
Smiles and Cries
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nice