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[DarkLordOtaku]

Same. I want to see OP cosplaying as Falco Lombardi wearing Sephiroth's clothes.

No such thing as "free advice."

We'll collect our due. Of that you can be certain.

 

[Sanepar]

My advice: didn't do It. Stay on consoles.

 

[MiguelItUp]

PC Part Picker is a great start. But don't turn your back to prebuilts.

It sounds so odd to say that, because not long ago I would be for the opposite. But there have been a ton of prebuilts that have appeared at Costco, Walmart, and Microcenter that are priced absurdly well with what they have to offer. So much so that the price basically covers DDR5 RAM and the GPU, and everything else is included. It's pretty insane.

I don't know of any current deals unfortunately. But it does feel like we see some new deals weekly.

 

[Topher]

In my experience, most games use between 14 - 18GB of DRAM with the settings I mentioned, which is why I recommend 24GB.
A graphics card with 12GB of VRAM is sufficient for current games, as they typically use between 8 - 10GB, especially in XBOX Mode, which reduces RAM usage.

With this combination, you get a next-gen experience comparable to current consoles at a relatively reasonable price.

Favoring DRAM over VRAM is just not a good idea, imo. In any case, that setup is well above current consoles and you are not going to pay a reasonable price in this market for DDR5. As I said, my specs were for a "cheap" build.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I would start with a more casual friendly Steam Machine over a Windows OS PC.

Get used to that and then in a couple years if you need more power go PC.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I would start with a more casual friendly Steam Machine over a Windows OS PC.

Get used to that and then in a couple years if you need more power go PC.

If Steam machine was 1/2 the price it is I would agree. I have faith that OP can operate Windows it's not rocket science.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

If Steam machine was 1/2 the price it is I would agree. I have faith that OP can operate Windows it's not rocket science.

But it can be a headache even to those who know how to manage it.

 

[SupremeJ]

Favoring DRAM over VRAM is just not a good idea, imo.

That's not how it works... A PC needs this much DRAM. You could choose just 16GB—it will usually be enough—but more is better.

 

[Boo Who?]

Buy a Windows 11 LTSC license off of a cheap key site and Windows 11 gaming is just fine. I moved both of my PCs to this, and my longing for another OS for gaming went away, and I despise Windows. No bloat, No AI, no Gamebar, no Xbox.

 

[Wonko_C]

I live in Sweden unfortunately...

I dont need to play in the highest resolution, dont want to play in lowest either, maybe mid just above mid of that answer your question

Oh but you need the highest your card can muster for VR, especially if you're modding Unreal Engine 5 games, for that I would recommend an RTX 5080 at the minimum.

Even UE4 games like Stellar Blade have to have their settings tweaked a bit for performance. I was able to test it bit on the 5080 and everything was so smooth and clear using High resolution in Virtual Desktop. Having to go back to Low resolution in VD and use DLSS performance on top of it to barely get 60fps on a 3070 Ti was painful to me. (But still prefer it over playing on flat screen)

 

[Osthyvel]

Yeah so... One is prebuild, i did some config, one i have to build by myself, price almost identical.

Inputs?

 

[Cakeboxer]

Inputs?

The PC is well balanced overall and should deliver excellent gaming performance. I would just make sure the RAM is DDR5-6000 CL30 with EXPO, and if the price difference is small, consider a Crucial T500, WD Black SN850X, or Samsung 990 Pro instead of the Crucial P510 SSD. But those are just minor tweaks, though.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I dont know if this is ok, i hope so, and bare with me as english aint my native language.

Well then, i bought my first console 40 years ago, i always loved playing on console and still do, never had any interest in PC until now.

I am giving up consoles in the future except Nintendos.

So i am trying to read and learn as much as i can, i dont know that much about all the components etc and it feels like a jungle, and my first question is; i dont need it right now, maybe in 2-3 year, is it smart to wait or is it better to buy one asap? Some say prices will go down but I dont know about that...

I know that memory etc cost a lot now because of ai.

I am sure there is a lot of talented people here that can give me some tips on what to buy.

I am really deep in VR since +10 years that is one thing, it has to be really good for vrgaming, i have both psvr2 and Quest 3 so the plan is to use probably q3 with the PC.

Budget around 2000$

I am very happy if you want to guide me into this new path in my life : )

Let me get this straight and simple, gen 9 started with Series X and PS5 at $499.99 and at that time, it'll cost you more than $1,000 to build something as strong, back forward to the future, Helix at $1,200 and PS6 around $950, adding 2 years for this bloody mess situation these consoles would be around $1,450 and $1,100. You'll need at least a $3,000 rig at that time equivalent to Helix and a $2,500 rig equivalent to PS6. I recommend buying a ps5 pro if you don't have it and save your money for 10th gen cause you never know. You can't compare 10th gen consoles to older GPUs, these are just facts, Jensen will show the new consumer series of nvidia at ces following Helix and PS6 release.

 

[winjer]

That PC is good. But I see no reason to pick the 9850X3D.
I don't know about prices there, but chances are the 9800X3D is a bit cheaper and it's the same CPU, just with the power limits tunned down a bit and lower clocks.
But the 9800X3D is unlocked and you tweak it to use the same power profile as the 9850X3D. Besides, it's only a 5% performance difference, sacrificing power usage and temperatures.

 

[Osthyvel]

Let me get this straight and simple, gen 9 started with Series X and PS5 at $499.99 and at that time, it'll cost you more than $1,000 to build something as strong, back forward to the future, Helix at $1,200 and PS6 around $950, adding 2 years for this bloody mess situation these consoles would be around $1,450 and $1,100. You'll need at least a $3,000 rig at that time equivalent to Helix and a $2,500 rig equivalent to PS6. I recommend buying a ps5 pro if you don't have it and save your money for 10th gen cause you never know. You can't compare 10th gen consoles to older GPUs, these are just facts, Jensen will show the new consumer series of nvidia at ces following Helix and PS6 release.

I dont feel that ps5 pro will give me something for that extra money vs Ps5, just wasted money. And this pc i want to buy is mainly for getting deeper in vrgaming.

 

[Osthyvel]

That PC is good. But I see no reason to pick the 9850X3D.
I don't know about prices there, but chances are the 9800X3D is a bit cheaper and it's the same CPU, just with the power limits tunned down a bit and lower clocks.
But the 9800X3D is unlocked and you tweak it to use the same power profile as the 9850X3D. Besides, it's only a 5% performance difference, sacrificing power usage and temperatures.

Actually the 9850 is cheaper here, so thats why i took that : )

However, i saw a guy that recommended 7500f for vr and that is way cheaper than 9800/50 and also even though 9070 xt is good he also recommended 5070 ti as a better choice for vr, so back to the drawing board i guess...

 

[winjer]

Actually the 9850 is cheaper here, so thats why i took that : )

However, i saw a guy that recommended 7500f for vr and that is way cheaper than 9800/50 and also even though 9070 xt is good he also recommended 5070 ti as a better choice for vr, so back to the drawing board i guess...

The 7500f is a huge step down from the 9850X3D. Maybe consider the 7800X3D.
If VR is something important for you, then going for the 5070Ti is a better choice.

 

[Wonko_C]

Actually the 9850 is cheaper here, so thats why i took that : )

However, i saw a guy that recommended 7500f for vr and that is way cheaper than 9800/50 and also even though 9070 xt is good he also recommended 5070 ti as a better choice for vr, so back to the drawing board i guess...

Yep, do not get AMD if you're going to do VR. Go for the 5070 ti. That's non-negotiable.

 

[Topher]

That's not how it works... A PC needs this much DRAM. You could choose just 16GB—it will usually be enough—but more is better.

Many games will take whatever you give it. That doesn't mean it requires it. Again, recommended specs of the vast majority of new games is 16GB. Of course more is better. More so for VRAM than DRAM unless you are only playing at 1080p.

What part of "cheap build" do you not understand?

 

[Bojji]

Many games will take whatever you give it. That doesn't mean it requires it. Again, recommended specs of the vast majority of new games is 16GB. Of course more is better. More so for VRAM than DRAM unless you are only playing at 1080p.

What part of "cheap build" do you not understand?

HU video test showed that vast majority of games will work fine with 16GB of RAM (only Mafia showed some difference with 32GB).

To me the best option now is to buy AM5 build with one 16GB memory module - you can always add another module when you need it (months, years from now). VRAM is actually more important, 12GB is the minimum now.

 

[Topher]

HU video test showed that vast majority of games will work fine with 16GB of RAM (only Mafia showed some difference with 32GB).

To me the best option now is to buy AM5 build with one 16GB memory module - you can always add another module when you need it (months, years from now). VRAM is actually more important, 12GB is the minimum now.

Definitely would go AM5 if possible, but AM4 will do the job if money is an issue. With prices like they are, cheaper DDR4 memory can save quite a few dollars.

It's a good point about adding more memory later. Can't do that with a GPU though so I'd put more emphasis in the initial build there.

 

[StereoVsn]

Yep, do not get AMD if you're going to do VR. Go for the 5070 ti. That's non-negotiable.

To clarify, AMD CPU is fine, but for the GPU Nvidia will be better for specifically VR. Otherwise 9070XT is on par with 5070Ti.

I also wouldn't go lower than 7800x3D (if that can save you a few € vs 9800x3d). Maybe 7600x3d?

 

[Osthyvel]

To clarify, AMD CPU is fine, but for the GPU Nvidia will be better for specifically VR. Otherwise 9070XT is on par with 5070Ti.

I also wouldn't go lower than 7800x3D (if that can save you a few € vs 9800x3d). Maybe 7600x3d?

It feels like i am going with 9800, its like 100€ difference to 7800.

However, its 300€ more for 5070ti than 9070xt...

So this is the build right now;

 

[StereoVsn]

It feels like i am going with 9800, its like 100€ difference to 7800.

However, its 300€ more for 5070ti than 9070xt...

So this is the build right now;

That's a great build and especially for non-VR purposes, AMD GPU is just as good (or better in some games).

 

[Topher]

That's a great build and especially for non-VR purposes, AMD GPU is just as good (or better in some games).

I'm using a 9060 xt with my mini PC (have my 5080 hooked up to the TV for big picture mode) and I'm impressed how it handles sub-4k gaming, mostly CRPGs. I was using a 7600 trying to match what the Steam Machine could do, but the difference is pretty huge, frankly. Difference is only $100 too

 

[StereoVsn]

I'm using a 9060 xt with my mini PC (have my 5080 hooked up to the TV for big picture mode) and I'm impressed how it handles sub-4k gaming, mostly CRPGs. I was using a 7600 trying to match what the Steam Machine could do, but the difference is pretty huge, frankly. Difference is only $100 too

Yeah, a 9060 XT 16GB is a great card for the current price. It's a shame Valve made the design decisions they have but it was for a different price structure.

A bit larger machine that could accommodate a 9060 XT and a tad more powerful CPU (and dual channel RAM!) would be a lot better.

 

[Osthyvel]

That's a great build and especially for non-VR purposes, AMD GPU is just as good (or better in some games).

Sounds good, but from what i can read it will handle vr really good to?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

HU video test showed that vast majority of games will work fine with 16GB of RAM (only Mafia showed some difference with 32GB).

To me the best option now is to buy AM5 build with one 16GB memory module - you can always add another module when you need it (months, years from now). VRAM is actually more important, 12GB is the minimum now.

I unfortunately have to lower settings in Forza Horizon 6 when I play on PC because it exceeds 16GB of memory and stutters like crazy which is annoying because I can easily run it maxed out otherwise.

 

[StereoVsn]

Sounds good, but from what i can read it will handle vr really good to?

It will be alright but not as good as Nvidia option. Just don't expect crazy stuff like 90 frames at 4K.

Edit: Personally if VR was very important, I would downgrade CPU to 7800x3D, take the €100 and put it toward 5070Ti.

 

[Bojji]

I unfortunately have to lower settings in Forza Horizon 6 when I play on PC because it exceeds 16GB of memory and stutters like crazy which is annoying because I can easily run it maxed out otherwise.

I have 32GB of DDR4 and I saw a few games going above 16GB (Hogwart ~24GB) but in general they don't need as much RAM. Forza also likes vram a lot, how much do you have?

 

[Osthyvel]

It will be alright but not as good as Nvidia option. Just don't expect crazy stuff like 90 frames at 4K.

Edit: Personally if VR was very important, I would downgrade CPU to 7800x3D, take the €100 and put it toward 5070Ti.

Thanks for good input!

Thing is, i wont main vr, but I really like to get the most out of my headsets, however, i will probably play like 80% flat and 20%vr..... So i should probably go for 9070ti....

And, also, then i think its ok to go for 7800x3D instead of 9800? Save some cash?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I have 32GB of DDR4 and I saw a few games going above 16GB (Hogwart ~24GB) but in general they don't need as much RAM. Forza also likes vram a lot, how much do you have?

4070 Super so 12GB

My VRAM is generally fine (I play at 1440p PC wise as if I'm playing on my C2 I play on Series X so I'm sure I'd run out of VRAM if I played in 4K) but I gotta lower settings to get under the memory restrictions.

The annoying part of all of this is like a year ago or so I went to Microcenter and upgraded both mine and my girlfriend's PCs but I ended up returning mine as I wanted so save money as I also bought a new monitor at the time and she needed the upgrade much more then me. A month later is when memory pricing exploded..

So I could have got 32GB of DDR5 for like $120...

 

[StereoVsn]

Thanks for good input!

Thing is, i wont main vr, but I really like to get the most out of my headsets, however, i will probably play like 80% flat and 20%vr..... So i should probably go for 9070ti....

And, also, then i think its ok to go for 7800x3D instead of 9800? Save some cash?

Yeah, that makes sense then. And going with 7800x3D saves you cash and you are unlikely to hit a CPU bottleneck with a 9070XT.

 

[SupremeJ]

I unfortunately have to lower settings in Forza Horizon 6 when I play on PC because it exceeds 16GB of memory and stutters like crazy which is annoying because I can easily run it maxed out otherwise.

This. 24GB DRAM recommended.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yep, do not get AMD if you're going to do VR. Go for the 5070 ti. That's non-negotiable.

What is the issue with Radeon + VR?

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

Thanks for good input!

Thing is, i wont main vr, but I really like to get the most out of my headsets, however, i will probably play like 80% flat and 20%vr..... So i should probably go for 9070ti....

And, also, then i think its ok to go for 7800x3D instead of 9800? Save some cash?

I really hate when people ask for advice and straight up ignores it lmao…..

 

[Osthyvel]

I really hate when people ask for advice and straight up ignores it lmao…..

Yeah, idiots

 

[Wonko_C]

What is the issue with Radeon + VR?

Overall lower performance.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Overall lower performance.

Odd as everything is just raster rendering.

 

[Wonko_C]

Odd as everything is just raster rendering.

Big part of it is overall poor video encoding vs Nvidia (because standalone headsets have to stream the image from the PC even when using a cable), and less than ideal driver support for VR.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

 

[Wonko_C]

Is the above just a code in a box?