rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can use Steam Big Picture mode, Xbox Full Screen Experience, controllers analog sticks and/or track pads too, etc etc...
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Lifelong consoleplayer needs help with buying a PC.
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You can use Steam Big Picture mode, Xbox Full Screen Experience, controllers analog sticks and/or track pads too, etc etc...
yet_another_alt
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I don't know if you have actually used SteamOS but PC games can be fiddly no matter what operating system. It's even worse when you actually need to fiddle with something beneath the console like UI. I swear the file system for games using Proton is a clusterfuck.
SupremeJ
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I solved this by using a wireless keyboard with a built-in touchpad. I use the gamepad for storefronts and gaming, while the wireless keyboard handles adjusting RivaTuner profiles and using the Nvidia app. I think this is essential on a PC, though it's no big deal. It will only offer a truly console-like experience if we play PC games on dedicated hardware—like the Steam Machine (which is very entry-level) or the upcoming Xbox Helix, provided it supports Steam.
yet_another_alt
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DarkLordOtaku
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I'll alleviate you of one of your fears off the bat. Prices will not come down. They will, at best, stabilize (and that's like a 3+ year out timeframe). You don't have to buy right now, but don't hold out hopes for a 50% price drop from a speculative market crash.
You've also really helped by providing an example of the types of games you want to play. VR gaming can be graphically demanding, but not necessarily so much as if you wanted to play games at the highest graphics fidelity.
My suggestion would be to go with a prebuilt, to reduce the complexity of your purchase. Then, as far as GPU cards go, you should probably aim for around the Nvidia 5070TI or AMD 9070XT. In any case, you'll want a GPU with the higher end of VRAM availability 12~16GBs+. The reason being that VR games tend to render a lot of textures very close up, constantly, meaning they tend to chew through the VRAM cache.
You've also really helped by providing an example of the types of games you want to play. VR gaming can be graphically demanding, but not necessarily so much as if you wanted to play games at the highest graphics fidelity.
My suggestion would be to go with a prebuilt, to reduce the complexity of your purchase. Then, as far as GPU cards go, you should probably aim for around the Nvidia 5070TI or AMD 9070XT. In any case, you'll want a GPU with the higher end of VRAM availability 12~16GBs+. The reason being that VR games tend to render a lot of textures very close up, constantly, meaning they tend to chew through the VRAM cache.
UniformDeliverance
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"You can solve this by doing all this extra stuff"
You can use Steam Big Picture mode, Xbox Full Screen Experience, controllers analog sticks and/or track pads too, etc etc...
That's exactly the friction I'm talking about.
Also steam big picture mode and Xbox full screen experience by default both react to the controller menu button, so you press it once, and both interfaces activate at the same time, conflicting with each other. It's really messy.
All of this is solvable, but it takes a lot of fiddling and configuration to get it to, at best, approximate a console like experience.
You're misleading people by understating these barriers, pc gaming on Windows 11 is not comparable to the console experience, especially for new users expecting to plug and play.
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dolabla
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If you can, definitely build it yourself. It's really fun. You will a feel a sense of accomplishment when you build that first one yourself. Just pay attention to everything you're doing and read your motherboard manual. Ask questions on here if you have to.
Also, Steam Big Picture Mode will give you a console style experience on PC so you can hook it up to any big screen tv. The UI for Steam Big Picture Mode is excellent. You can also add games you bought on other stores (like GOG) to your Steam library as a non Steam game to make everything all in once place.
The best thing about PC gaming is the amount of things you can do with it. It will open whole new door in gaming for you. It has backwards compatibility for generations so you can dive into those old games you might have played on console, but now with 4k resolution and 120+fps. Those games are pretty much "Remasters".
You can also pretty much use any controller you want. If you plan on using a PS5 controller, I highly recommend making your own Dualsense wireless dongle. I made one recently and it has been excellent. It only cost me a little over $10 for the case and Raspberry Pi Pico 2W board. It gives you all the features of the Dualsense wirelessly on PC that are normally only functional via wired USB. You can read more about that here in this thread: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/redd...speaker-and-full-functionality-on-pc.1696533/
Also, Steam Big Picture Mode will give you a console style experience on PC so you can hook it up to any big screen tv. The UI for Steam Big Picture Mode is excellent. You can also add games you bought on other stores (like GOG) to your Steam library as a non Steam game to make everything all in once place.
The best thing about PC gaming is the amount of things you can do with it. It will open whole new door in gaming for you. It has backwards compatibility for generations so you can dive into those old games you might have played on console, but now with 4k resolution and 120+fps. Those games are pretty much "Remasters".
You can also pretty much use any controller you want. If you plan on using a PS5 controller, I highly recommend making your own Dualsense wireless dongle. I made one recently and it has been excellent. It only cost me a little over $10 for the case and Raspberry Pi Pico 2W board. It gives you all the features of the Dualsense wirelessly on PC that are normally only functional via wired USB. You can read more about that here in this thread: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/redd...speaker-and-full-functionality-on-pc.1696533/
ihavezippers
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Unpopular opinion but u may want to consider a prebuilt pc too. It isnt the cheapest option, but you dont need to be as sophisticated in the technical aspects, everything will ideally work out of the box, and it will save you a lot of time. Building your own pc is ideal for many reasons, but not always the best fit for everyone
Osthyvel
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Ok, thanks, i am using this site; https://komponentkoll.se/komponenter/processor to build my own pc.
Any tips on CPU, mother board, cooling? Power?
Hohenheim
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Here's a decent PC (in sweden) , for the price you mentioned, with 32 gb ram, 2tb Ssd and a 9070 XT. You have to build it yourself, but thats pretty easy and a lot of fun.
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Osthyvel
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Its very similar to the one i posted above? But mine is cheaper?
PeteBull
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Check if that store doesnt have a service where they build pc for u, usually its relatively cheap, below 50$ for sure, here in poland similar stores have such a serice, since u are first time pc owner there is quite a few mistakes u can make by building ur own, and that will cost u since those are all highend components u ordered.Some small changes: i might order today...
Have to build myself though
Bojji
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I also wonder if that mobo supports 9850x3d out of the box, it probably needs bios update.
PeteBull
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Yups, gotta wait till mid 2027 and beyond if u can somewhat get by for now, if not then it cant be helped.
DarkLordOtaku
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That's a good build.
Need that rgb
I will mention that for a rig with front intake cooling, you don't get a practical benefit from a liquid cooler (their water tubing can be a point of failure).
As for your previous question about mothetboard and CPU, my only suggestion is making sure the motherboard chipset matches your intended CPU, which it looks like you've done.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You will use one or another, not both.
No one is saying it's comparable to console experience (and gladly it's not as console navigation with dpad sucks, thank God Switch has touch screen to help). It's about navigating Windows interface the way you prefer.
Osthyvel
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Tips on a better cooler?
Nocty
Currently Steaming
I'm good for a while I think? My current build is a few years old now, but;
Nvidia 5080
32gb Vengence DDR5
Ryzen 9800x3d (mild overclock)
in a water cooled system for a bit more longevity. Heat kills rigs faster. I can currently run most things on high / ultra settings on ultrawide, good enough for me. I don't see any major graphical jumps in the near term that will require a system upgrade
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Famipan
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Since you live in Sweden you could get better local help from Sweclockers Forum
Här har du Köprådstråden:
Här har du Köprådstråden:
DarkLordOtaku
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I would suggest something more like your original build, with the thermalright air cooler system.
CuteFaceJay
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See if you can get yourself a 2nd hand 3090 for GPU. Thing still holds up and you'll not be breaking the bank or overpaying for a 5060.
Newari
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Save a few pennies by downgrading to 9800x3d, the extra 100Mhz from 9850 does nothing.
Need that rgb
I would avoid Kingston NV-series SSDs. They use bottom of the barrel flash and controllers, and the parts list varies batch by batch so if somebody is having no issues you might end up with a drive that has different components in it and a lot of problems. Also it might be QLC NAND which would make it painfully slow as operating system SSD.
Topher
Identifies as young
If I were building today and wanted to go cheap, I'd buy used generic SSD and ram from ebay from a reputable seller. I'd go DDR4 instead of DDR5. 5700x or 5800x3D. At higher rez gaming, that's fine.
What do folks think is the best gpu, bang for your buck, for 4k gaming? 5070 ti? 1440p.....5060 ti?
What do folks think is the best gpu, bang for your buck, for 4k gaming? 5070 ti? 1440p.....5060 ti?
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Hohenheim
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Yeah, I didn't see that post. Looks good!
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Peroroncino
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Very bold of you, but I ain't getting naked with you BUDDY.
I'm a console head too, but I'm also in the process of trying to buy a PC, I'm mostly done with Playstation, frustrations have been bubbling up for a while now, so good luck to you man.
Is there any indication that prices will drop, and if so, those drop will even be significant? If anything, I'd be worried they'll go even further as manufacturares turn away from consumer goods to focus production on data centers.
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Buggy Loop
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Need that rgb
Fuck water cooling btw. You'll never have something more reliable than a big block of radiator + quiet fans. I've seen too many AIO fails to ever risk my rig with that shit. Water cooling is interesting in really really small SFF cases where nothing else fits, you're basically putting that in a giant case for almost no thermal gains but all the risks.
PeteBull
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Unlikely, but sometime in 2027 u will know official ps6 price/specs/launchdate and u will know exact specs(price, perf uplift) of zen6 cpu, nvidia 6000 gpus and amd rdna5 gpus, thats all crucial data when preparing for nextgen, u dont wanna be left in the dust by chosing wrong specs for ur gaming mashine...Very bold of you, but I ain't getting naked with you BUDDY.
I'm a console head too, but I'm also in the process of trying to buy a PC, I'm mostly done with Playstation, frustrations have been bubbling up for a while now, so good luck to you man.
Is there any indication that prices will drop, and if so, those drop will even be significant? If anything, I'd be worried they'll go even further as manufacturares turn away from consumer goods to focus production on data centers.
It's what i have now and it is a beast (well for me at least). I have the 7600x+RTX5070I think 5070 with 16GB of system memory would be a better "now" system. You can always add another RAM stick later, but I wonder how long 12GB of VRAM will be relevant...
Or you can go cheaper with AMD build:
9070XT:
Maybe 1TB is enough? Another -100$.
Hohenheim
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I've never heard of anyone having their Aio breaking, except for ones that are very, very old. But yeah, a air cooler is the safest bet I guess. I haven't had air coolers for many years, but how are they noise-wise compared to good aios these days?
UniformDeliverance
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Exactly. The problem is, you have to choose and configure. By default both activate
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Same. I want to see OP cosplaying as Falco Lombardi wearing Sephiroth's clothes.
Buggy Loop
Member
To me, I've seen too many failures throughout the years and recalls that I don't trust.
Even recalls, Lian Li, Enemax, MSI, Corsair, Arctic Liquid free maintenance kit, etc.
Peoples cool a lot of AMD CPUs in SFF with a mere NH-L12S (including me for a 5800X3D) with very low noise, so a big tower with a bigger radiator makes it a non issue noise wise. Don't forget that your GPU will likely always dominate noise comparatively unless you also thermal cool it and that's typically a whole new headache with a custom loop and expensive GPU water cooler solutions. The contribution of CPU air cooling will be typically lower than GPU's and on a logarithmic scale to combine them for total sound power, it's a non factor unless you picked a weak CPU cooler.
It won't beat AIO thermally (the expensive ones, the cheap ones are typically beaten), but for even normalized dB(A) sound between all of them, your air cooler will be ~3-4°C more? Nobody should care about that when temps of these big coolers are in the ~50-55 range.
~5 years lifespan expected, by then you have extreme permeation of the tubes with the liquid and you have to replace the loop, refill it or replace the cooler. If it did not fail before. The higher end fans (Noctua and comparables) comparatively, have like average 150,000 hours lifespan? That's like nearly 2 decades of continuous operation (who does that)
AIOs are generally more expensive and the temperature advantage, in most cases, is purely trivial.
For someone entering PC for the first time, I would pick the "don't think about it" & "no risk" solution 100%
Osthyvel
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What do you even know about me and what hobbies i have? GTFO. For real.
Osthyvel
Member
Yeah, i do want to see what next gen looks like, so i might have to wait to see what mikkråsåft and pläjstäjson comes up with...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Having to choose is not a problem. Problem would be lack of choice. Plus, by default, both are not activated.
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Gexxy1
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I'm hearing 9070XT is the best value, which right now costs around $700 new but will last a while. I wouldn't say it's the best for 4k gaming though (even if it can do it for many games), the 5080 is a better bet. But the 5080 also cost twice as much. The 5070ti is another option but is $200 more than the 9070XT. It's barely better and not worth that price difference imo. It's a similar story for 1440p.
The 5060ti is about $150 cheaper, but not nearly as good as the 9070XT. I wouldn't at that price- the 9060XT is almost $200 cheaper than the 5060ti and there's barely any difference.
(These are microcenter prices, approximate)
9070XT= $700
5070ti= $900
5060ti= $530
9060XT= $350
5080= $1,400
Also wouldn't hurt to get these used somewhere to save around $40 - $100 more or so.
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HarryKS
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Ok.
SupremeJ
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24GB DDR5 need minimum.
The rtx5070 enough, 1080p + DLSS4.5 = 4K output experience with ultra settings and good RT.
Everything runs at a stable 60FPS or 120 with framegeneration.
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Topher
Identifies as young
What game requires 24GB much less DDR5? Why are you going to say 24GB ram and then opt for the 12GB GPU?
Durin
Member
Eh, I think that it's misleading to act like these barriers are vast, and it just doesn't take much fiddling anymore.
Either disable the game bar in its general settings, or uninstall it once. The rest of the common issues with a gamepad on the couch are games that have launchers/confirmation windows that needs a mouse cursor, needing to type in fields with a keyboard, or doing common key commands like alt-tab.
You can solve all of these btw on any gamepad with one toggle of the "Enable Guide Button Chords for controllers" button in Steam Controller settings. Where the Guide=xbox/playstation/center button. So holding down the guide button lets you do right stick to move the mouse, bumpers to left/right click, left stick up/down to adjust system volume, left stick left/right to skip background media tracks like Spotify, left stick press to play/pause background media, guide + start alt-tabs, and guide + select/back to bring up the on-screen keyboard like the Steam Deck. All of this behavior defaults with one toggle.
The barriers have gotten more minor with each passing gen, and the Steam Controller makes it even easier with the trackpads + it's center button doesn't conflict with game bar on at all in Windows. I just don't think the fiddling is that extensive anymore, moreso that people might not know about that toggle, and just sometimes a game won't work on a person's variable hardware.
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DarkLordOtaku
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Mine broke. Some sort of mineral or something formed around the connector to the CPU (inside the pipe) and prevented heat transferrence.
I only realized when I started getting unexpected crashes, so I checked my temps and my CPU may as well have been operating on the surface of the sun, lol.
That was the middle of last year, and the model was produced after 2020, I'm pretty sure.
SupremeJ
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In my experience, most games use between 14 - 18GB of DRAM with the settings I mentioned, which is why I recommend 24GB.
A graphics card with 12GB of VRAM is sufficient for current games, as they typically use between 8 - 10GB, especially in XBOX Mode, which reduces RAM usage.
With this combination, you get a next-gen experience comparable to current consoles at a relatively reasonable price.