evil solrac v3.0
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KidGalactus said:
you think 'cause you're the destroyer of worlds you can boss us around?
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Life on Mars almost confirmed
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you think 'cause you're the destroyer of worlds you can boss us around?
viciouskillersquirrel
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They could have, it's quite possible. It's also possible that somewhere in Mexico around 66 million years ago, a civilisation of intelligent dinosaurs came about that was on the cusp of an industrial revolution, but was wiped out by a massive meteor right there. The arising of intelligent life on a planet likely follows a poisson distribution where k is 1 and lambda is the expected number of times intelligent life would arise in a given time period. The value of lambda here is the key. It could be as low as once in a billion years or as high as once in a trillion.Joates said:
Out of 3.5 billion years of life, we're the only life form to have achieved our level of intelligence. Nemotode worms, sharks, paramecia, stinging nettles, birds and cockroaches have had just as much time to evolve as we have and yet our level of intelligence has occurred only once. Don't think that natural selection is a force that pushes toward "higher" forms of life; rather, it is a force that pushes toward survival.
I'm making the point that from our experience, even where life is present and abundant, intelligence isn't common or inevitable.
Also, I'm of the opinion that Earth seeded Mars because it's the simplest explanation. We have plenty of life here and did so even before Mars's oceans dried up, so it stands to reason that this is the most likely explanation. Otherwise would be cool and exciting, but not nearly as likely
Thaedolus
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Xeke said:
That's quite the assumption, considering how fucking huge the universe is. In case you didn't know: it's really, really big.
Even if the odds were something like one in every billion galaxies had a planet with creatures of equal or greater intelligence than ours, we'd still be talking many, many civilizations existing out there. And something like this kinda points toward the odds being much more in the favor of intelligence existing in abundance.
cross pollination between the planets is a pretty popular working theory for life at the moment.
Europa is also a very interesting place to look for life. As is a few other moons of the gas giants that are essentially covered in Ice, with tidal forces of the gas giants acting as the catalyst for heating up the core of these otherwise smaller worlds.
Europa is also a very interesting place to look for life. As is a few other moons of the gas giants that are essentially covered in Ice, with tidal forces of the gas giants acting as the catalyst for heating up the core of these otherwise smaller worlds.
lostinblue
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Deku said:
let the pollination begin.
KidGalactus
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viciouskillersquirrel said:
Isn't it only the simplest explanation from your current perspective?
evil solrac v3.0 said:
Yes.
That is what I think.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Duh. If we get more information, my perspective will change.KidGalactus said:
Count Dookkake
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You guys should check out a Philip Jose Farmer novel called 'Jesus on Mars.'
Pretty awesome.
Pretty awesome.
Thunder Monkey
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Every lifeform is beautiful and unique.jett said:
The human problems are pride, arrogance, and avarice. We aren't the pinnacle of evolution, we're just one of many ways life can evolve. We lucked out, what we lacked in physical strength, we made up for in cunning. We plot, plan, and deceive our way to victory.
But all life is unique. Evolution is a cool thing. We all have a basic beginning mix, and from that plant life, animal life, viruses, a whole range of lifeforms from the microbial to the mammoth spring forth.
What makes us unique on this planet is our ability to find calm in the chaos. Our drive to find simplicity in the universes complexities. For all we know a billion civilizations have risen and fallen in the span of time it took us to grasp the basics of our universe.
It's possible they have visited this area, but life with any semblance of intelligence is extremely short lived on this planet. And the universe is a very old, and large place. The likely hood of civilizations intersecting in this universe, of existing at the same time, is almost unlikely, and being anywhere close to one another?
If they can get here, then we have no defense against them. Because such a thing would take either an immortal race, or someone that can break what we understand as the laws of physics. Either scenario leaves humanity with the option of slaves or retarded friend.
DrForester
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Thunder Monkey
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My God is chaotic.Xeke said:
"You don't have toilet paper?! Use your hands motherfucker! Boom! goes the Supernova!"
KidGalactus
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Haha. Touché
this gal isn't:Thunder Monkey said:
eh... if you were to include mars into the golidlocks zone purely on its hypothetical ability to support conditions necessary for earth like life then an equal case could be made for extending that zone all the way out to europa, which would provide ample space to handily eliminate that 'downside'.OuterWorldVoice said:
innervision961
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Sorry for my ignorance but, the rovers and probes that have touched down on the Martian surface, are they not equiped to search for microbial life? And what about our own moon, could life exist there?
Monocle said:
That leads to panspermia, hur hur.
I´m really pissed off that we spend billions and trillions blowing each others up or producing mountains of unneeded ball-pens and plastics instead of reaching for the stars and deep sea (and feeding all the starving humans, of course).
Having the first colony on another celestial body would be bragging rights of the forever. But we´d probably need a new Cold War (alien turrists) for that to happen :/
Son of Godzilla
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Geez, I feel utterly worthless for thinking this was about the TV show getting a movie deal and not actual life on Mars.
Regulus Tera
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I thought this would be about the TV show.
That is... very neat.
It would need to survive the harsh conditions of space almost unprotected. Then again, there's plenty of evidence of organisms capable of that feat. Hell, even multi-celled organisms are capable of that. Spores or eggs usually are more hardy than the full-grown organism either, and usually smaller and lighter too, which means they'd be more likely to end up on a probe.
Dunno if NASA spends the money to wash down their probes before sending them out. And tbqh I doubt even a very thorough cleanup would catch all "hitchhikers". Microorganisms are everywhere around us. They float in the air, sit on surfaces, swim in liquids. Sure, the guys working on the probes are usually wearng gloves and whatnot, but I doubt it keeps the probes 100% uncontaminated.
Whether or not they'd be able to "pollute" the other planet is another thing entirely. It's another chain of probabilities, again. But yes, I'm pretty sure the probability of us unknowingly seeding other planets with life is non-zero. Maybe it's even a non-trivial value. Who knows.
Just speculating here:Jea Song said:
It would need to survive the harsh conditions of space almost unprotected. Then again, there's plenty of evidence of organisms capable of that feat. Hell, even multi-celled organisms are capable of that. Spores or eggs usually are more hardy than the full-grown organism either, and usually smaller and lighter too, which means they'd be more likely to end up on a probe.
Dunno if NASA spends the money to wash down their probes before sending them out. And tbqh I doubt even a very thorough cleanup would catch all "hitchhikers". Microorganisms are everywhere around us. They float in the air, sit on surfaces, swim in liquids. Sure, the guys working on the probes are usually wearng gloves and whatnot, but I doubt it keeps the probes 100% uncontaminated.
Whether or not they'd be able to "pollute" the other planet is another thing entirely. It's another chain of probabilities, again. But yes, I'm pretty sure the probability of us unknowingly seeding other planets with life is non-zero. Maybe it's even a non-trivial value. Who knows.
Beer Monkey
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Xdrive05 said:
Carl Sagan thought ghosts and Gods were for idiots.
Xdrive05
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Sure did, as with any other pseudoscience. You should see his rant on Astrology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iunr4B4wfDA
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PistolGrip
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Neanderthals also evolved intelligence, sure they come from the same ape evolutionary tree but its a nice indication that there is more than one intelligent species. Also with more than 99.9% of species that have existed already dead and most of their fossils completely turned to dust it is hard to make the assumption that we are the only species that have evolved intelligence.viciouskillersquirrel said:
viciouskillersquirrel
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If you saw my earlier post, I took into account 4 million years of human evolution. Neanderthals fall into that time frame.PistolGrip said:
Grant DaNasty
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I'm not gonna believe it until they find life on Mars on Mars. (Which they've repeatedly failed to do.)
jamesinclair
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You know what would be crazy?
If the great extinctions of the past were not caused by natural disasters....
BUT BY MARTIAN DISEASES!
Imagine, an asteroid lands on earth carrying bacteria from mars. A dinosaurpanda eats it and INFECTION TIME
If the great extinctions of the past were not caused by natural disasters....
BUT BY MARTIAN DISEASES!
Imagine, an asteroid lands on earth carrying bacteria from mars. A dinosaurpanda eats it and INFECTION TIME
Bitmap Frogs
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You can bet your ass there's microbial life on Mars.
ZephyrFate
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You like to act butthurt all the time, don't you?ToxicAdam said:
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