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How a Pennsylvania couple may get HSBC's secret $1.9b settlement report unsealed

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benjipwns

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Back in 2012, HSBC and the Department of Justice reached an agreement in which the U.S. government would not criminally prosecute HSBC for money laundering for drug cartels and violating numerous banking laws ("from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act") in exchange for a one time settlement of $1.9 billion with undisclosed terms. A Matt Taibbi piece with more.

Now this chemist jerk from Pennsylvania is messing up the whole scheme between the bank and the federal government.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-p...orce-hsbc-to-release-secret-report-1456774966
WEST CHESTER, Pa.--When Dean Moore ran into roadblocks with a request for mortgage relief, he did what many people do: He sat down at his kitchen table to bang out an angry letter.

This one, though, had enormous consequences.

Mr. Moore sent his letter in November to U.S. District Judge John Gleeson, who is overseeing HSBC's settlement. In it, he said releasing the report would help him show HSBC had systemic issues that led the bank to fumble its record- keeping duties in his mortgage dispute.
But for reasons he didn't explain, the judge decided to elevate the legal importance of Mr. Moore's letter. In late January, he shocked the banking industry by ordering the report released after saying the letter constituted a motion to unseal it.

The disclosure would be the first ever for this type of case and would shine a light on an increasingly common practice for banks accused of breaking the law. Instead of being prosecuted, banks typically enter into settlements under which they often agree to be overseen by monitors whose detailed judgments are kept secret.
HSBC and Justice Department prosecutors have opposed the release, saying it wouldn't do much to help Mr. Moore with his mortgage predicament. Judge Gleeson, in his order to unseal the report, said that was irrelevant.

"The Monitor's Report could have no useful information for Moore, and he--as a member of the public--would still have a right to see it," the judge said.

The bank is appealing the ruling, but already it may be having an impact. HSBC disclosed last week that the January report by independent monitor Michael Cherkasky found instances of potential financial crime and had "significant concerns" about the bank's pace of progress in complying with the money-laundering settlement.
HSBC admitted in its 2012 settlement that it failed to catch at least $881 million in drug-trafficking proceeds laundered through its U.S. bank and that its staff stripped data from transactions with Iran, Libya and Sudan to evade U.S. sanctions.

The Moores knew little of that when they first reached out for help with a financial squeeze. The couple said they had trouble keeping up with the $3,000-plus mortgage payment on their $525,000 home after the cost of Mrs. Fletcher- Moore's treatment for breast cancer forced them to file for bankruptcy.

The mortgage was administered by HSBC, and the Moores say they wrote to the bank starting in 2008 asking it to temporarily lower the 7% interest rate. They said the lender appeared receptive, only for its representatives to misplace documents needed to complete their application for a loan modification several times.

Frustrated, the Moores researched the bank online last year and stumbled upon news of the money-laundering settlement and the monitor's secret report. The Moores say they believe the report details faulty internal controls like those they encountered when trying to modify their loan.

In his letter to Judge Gleeson, Mr. Moore wrote that his experience trying to modify his mortgage led him to believe HSBC was violating the terms of a mortgage-related settlement and asked the judge to release the monitor's report to help him prove it.

His decision to consider the motion took the Moores from outside commentators to major participants in a federal case. The couple spent days researching the obscure cases the government and HSBC cited in their effort to keep the report secret.

"The Amodeo case was the real kicker for me," Mr. Moore said, referring to United States vs. Amodeo, a suit involving a report similar to the monitor's on union-related corruption. The opposing side's interpretation of the court case was "what we call in the lab cherry-picking the data," he said.

The Moores' motion came before the court in January. They drove to the hearing in Brooklyn in their black Mitsubishi. Mr. Moore, a 52-year-old sales director for a chemical company, rode shotgun, tweaking his legal arguments in a small notebook. The oral arguments lasted just under an hour. Later that month, Judge Gleeson ruled in the couple's favor.

If his ruling stands, it would be "the first time we get to see what happens after a bank settles a prosecution," said Brandon Garrett, a professor at University of Virginia's law school who has studied the monitor system.

A ruling could eventually render other banks' reports public as well, he said. Credit Suisse Group AG and Standard Chartered PLC are among those also under monitoring arrangements.

HSBC and the Justice Department are still fighting to keep the report private and have appealed Judge Gleeson's ruling to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.
Judge Gleeson, who said Mr. Moore has done "admirably" in court so far, recently suggested he retain David Schulz, a prominent First Amendment attorney who was willing to represent the couple for free. The Moores accepted.


Actual footage of Judge Gleeson issuing his ruling to the corporate lawyers:
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It'll probably stop at the appeals court, but this is pretty hilarious. Maybe not so much when Judge Gleeson dies of a "heart attack"
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
It'll probably stop at the appeals court, but this is pretty hilarious. Maybe not so much when Judge Gleeson dies of a "heart attack"
Indeed someone is about to have a tragic death that will stonewall any progress on this. Good luck Mr. Dean.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
Judge Gleeson, who said Mr. Moore has done "admirably" in court so far, recently suggested he retain David Schulz, a prominent First Amendment attorney who was willing to represent the couple for free. The Moores accepted.

Is it normal for Judges to refer people to lawyers? Seems really weird.

Otherwise, it sounds like Judge Gleeson has an agenda and is taking advantage of Mr. Moore to some degree.

Which is still probably the lesser of two evils since it may expose this sealed settlement agreement, hopefully causing enough of an uproar for it to cascade to other similar settlements.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Is it normal for Judges to refer people to lawyers? Seems really weird.
Moore isn't really in a position to continue representing himself. The hearing on and filing of the motion is significantly different from taking on the Justice Department in an appeal.
 

FreezeSSC

Member
Hope he wins and these crooked banks are exposed. Makes me wonder about all those banks that settled for pennies on the dollar for their scam mortgages.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Makes me wonder about all those banks that settled for pennies on the dollar for their scam mortgages.

Matt Taibbi piece on Judge Jed S. Rakoff and these types of settlements: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ands-up-to-wall-street-20111110#ixzz1iHrUuQzQ

The New York Times reported that "Taking a broad swipe at the Securities and Exchange Commission’s practice of allowing companies to settle cases without admitting that they had done anything wrong, a federal judge on Monday rejected a $285 million settlement between Citigroup and the agency. The judge, Jed S. Rakoff of United States District Court in Manhattan, said that he could not determine whether the agency’s settlement with Citigroup was “fair, reasonable, adequate and in the public interest,” as required by law, because the agency had claimed, but had not proved, that Citigroup committed fraud."

In his opinion Rakoff wrote, "The SEC’s long-standing policy—hallowed by history, but not by reason—of allowing defendants to enter into consent judgments without admitting or denying the underlying allegations, deprives the court of even the most minimal assurance that the substantial injunctive relief it is being asked to impose has any basis in fact." Judge Rakoff said the agency settlement policy creates substantial potential for abuse because “it asks the court to employ its power and assert its authority when it does not know the facts.” That undermines the constitutional separation of powers, he said, by asking the judiciary to rubber-stamp the executive branch’s interpretation of the law."

Jed S. Rakoff said:
Long before 1972, the S.E.C. had already begun entering into consent decrees in which the defendants neither admitted nor denied the allegations. This was strongly desired by the defendants because it meant that their agreement to the S.E.C.‘s settlements would not have collateral estoppel consequences for parallel private civil actions, in which the defendants frequently faced potential monetary judgments far greater than anything the S.E.C. was likely to impose. But there were benefits for the S.E.C. as well. First, the practice made it much easier for the S.E.C. to obtain settlements. And second, at a time (prior to 1972) when the S.E.C.‘s enforcement powers were largely limited to obtaining injunctive relief, the S.E.C.‘s focus was somewhat more centered on helping to curb future misconduct by obtaining access to the Court’s contempt powers than on obtaining admissions to prior misconduct.

But, by 1972, it had become obvious that as soon as courts had signed off on such settlements, the defendants would start public campaigns denying that they had ever done what the S.E.C. had accused them of doing and claiming, instead, that they had simply entered into the settlements to avoid protracted litigation with a powerful administrative agency. Thus, the real change effected by the S.E.C. in 1972 was the requirement that a defendant who agreed to a consent judgment “without admitting or denying the allegations of the Complaint” nevertheless agree that the defendant would not thereafter publicly deny the allegations. To this end, each of the proposed Consent Judgments now presented to this Court is accompanied by a formal written “Consent” of the defendant agreeing, pursuant to 17 C.F.R § 205.5, “not to take any action or to make or permit to be made any public statement denying, directly or indirectly, any allegation in the complaint or creating the impression that the complaint is without factual basis.”

The result is a stew of confusion and hypocrisy unworthy of such a proud agency as the S.E.C. The defendant is free to proclaim that he has never remotely admitted the terrible wrongs alleged by the S.E.C.; but, by gosh, he had better be careful not to deny them either (though, as one would expect, his supporters feel no such compunction). Only one thing is left certain: the public will never know whether the S.E.C.‘s charges are true, at least not in a way that they can take as established by these proceedings.

This might be defensible if all that were involved was a private dispute between private parties. But here an agency of the United States is saying, in effect, “Although we claim that these defendants have done terrible things, they refuse to admit it and we do not propose to prove it, but will simply resort to gagging their right to deny it.”

The disservice to the public inherent in such a practice is palpable. Confronted with the same choice, the United States Department of Justice has long since rejected allowing defendants, except in the very most unusual circumstances, to enter into pleas of nolo contendere, by which a defendant accepts a guilty plea to a criminal charge without admitting or denying the allegations.

Moreover, as a practical matter, it appears that defendants who enter into consent judgments where they formally state, with the S.E.C.‘s full consent, that they neither admit nor deny the allegations of the complaint, thereafter have no difficulty getting the word out that they are still denying the allegations, notwithstanding their agreement not to “make any public statement” denying the allegations....

The Financial Crisis: Why Have No High-Level Executives Been Prosecuted? by Rakoff

Too Big To Jail? The Top 10 Civil Cases Against the Banks
 

benjipwns

Banned
Oh hey, they just signed another settlement last month:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...tlement-over-alleged-u-s-mortgage-abuses.html
HSBC Holdings PLC agreed Friday to pay $470 million to settle federal and state allegations of abusive practices in its U.S. mortgage business.

The British bank must make major changes to how it services mortgages and handles foreclosures in the U.S. and will compensate some customers who lost their homes or had their loans modified. An independent monitor will oversee its compliance with the agreement for a year.

The civil settlement with the Justice Department, other federal agencies and U.S. states adds to a list of penalties around HSBC's mortgage lending and servicing business, which authorities say was rife with problems and rushed people out of their homes. HSBC paid $249 million in 2013 to settle similar allegations by the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/just...tate-federal-settlement-hsbc-address-mortgage
“This agreement is the result of a coordinated effort between federal and state partners to hold HSBC accountable for abusive mortgage practices,” said Acting Associate Attorney General Stuart F. Delery. “This agreement provides for $370 million in creditable consumer relief to benefit homeowners across the country and requires HSBC to reform their servicing standards. The Department of Justice remains committed to rooting out financial fraud and holding bad actors accountable for their actions.”

“This settlement illustrates the department’s continuing commitment to ensure responsible mortgage servicing,” said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Benjamin C. Mizer, head of the Justice Department’s Civil Division. “The agreement is part of our ongoing effort to address root causes of the financial crisis.”
Compliance with the agreement will be overseen by an independent monitor, Joseph A. Smith Jr., who is also the monitor for the NMS and SunTrust settlement. Smith has served as the North Carolina Commissioner of Banks and is also the former chairman of the Conference of State Banks Supervisors. Smith will oversee implementation of the servicing standards required by the agreement, will certify that HSBC has satisfied its consumer relief obligations and will file regular public reports that identify any quarter in which HSBC fell short of the standards imposed in the settlement. The parties may seek penalties for non-compliance.

The agreement resolves potential violations of civil law based on HSBC’s deficient mortgage loan origination and servicing activities. The agreement does not prevent state and federal authorities from pursuing criminal enforcement actions related to this or other conduct by HSBC, or from punishing wrongful securitization conduct that is the focus of President Barack Obama’s Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group.
I feel more protected already.

Also that's the worst name for a group ever. FFETFRMBSWG?
 

The Llama

Member
Is it normal for Judges to refer people to lawyers? Seems really weird.
Referring someone to a specific lawyer like that is unusual in my experience (usually they'll say to try the local lawyer referall service or local legal aid group etc.) but judges always, always, always tell unrepresented people to get attorneys.
 

benjipwns

Banned
He might have referred them because of the offer to represent for free. If it's the right David Schulz, he also was involved in getting Gitmo documents unsealed and unredacted.

Interestingly, Judge Gleeson is resigning on Wednesday to join a large firm. He announced that back in January which may be why he has decided to go out with a bang.
 

Striek

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The whole concept of the government working with people and organisations they deem criminals to come to a 'mutually' beneficial arrangement whereby said people or organisations don't accept being labelled criminals in exchange to private, secret 'oversight' of future activities is just mindblowing.

I hope, but doubt, that this motion doesn't get stopped in appeals.
 

benjipwns

Banned
The whole concept of the government working with people and organisations they deem criminals to come to a 'mutually' beneficial arrangement whereby said people or organisations don't accept being labelled criminals in exchange to private, secret 'oversight' of future activities is just mindblowing.
But if individual people who allegedly committed criminal acts are prosecuted instead of their (sometimes former) corporation getting a fine for the "appearance of wrongdoing" then...something something the whole economic system will be at risk something something cats and dogs living together something something!!!
 
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