ND use a much higher quality skin shader for cut-scenes (for starters). As for real-time, they do use a render farm.
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ND use a much higher quality skin shader for cut-scenes (for starters). As for real-time, they do use a render farm.
Gears of War 3 is a prime example on why you should not do pre-rendered BINK cutscenes on Xbox 360. That compression. You can tell easily what's video and what's not.
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Real-time all the way, I agree. Not because it's more impressive on a technical level, but because it allows for things like customized appearances in cutscenes and, well...
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I was mostly thinking about Killzone 3, should have pointed that out. Do you have any source for that by the way? I do think it might be the case, but i would like to read more about it
Gears' was the worst. Not only were those cutscenes filled with compression artifacts, the cinematic color grading they used isn't visually appealing at all.
I also like it for games where the character can have different appearances. That would really only apply to Reach out of the whole series, but it was still cool.Real-time all the way, I agree. Not because it's more impressive on a technical level, but because it allows for things like customized appearances in cutscenes and, well...
I'm guessing they knew early on that the game would be more than one disc so they decided making HD video fit wouldn't be as much of a problem.
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I was mostly thinking about Killzone 3, should have pointed that out. Do you have any source for that by the way? I do think it might be the case, but i would like to read more about it
Pre-renderd:
vs Realtime:
Thank you for this completely unrelated post.
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Yoshi's Island is still the best-looking game I've ever seen
Jaggies everwhere! xD
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My favorite game ever. I'm actually replaying the GBA version right now. Hoping to 100% it before Halo 4 comes out.
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Based on that comparison, the former looks better indeed. Maybe they use some extra textures and lightning there. It never occured to me because the cutscene models doesnt look way above in-game from what i can remember. But looking closer, maybe there are some extra techniques being used in the cut scene. It is a bit hard to see 100% because the bottom gif is shaking, got lower framerate and are bigger in resolution. It is also not the same model/person.
I was commenting on this video posted before:
http://youtu.be/okEHi9Xl6QE?hd=1&t=4m33s
IMO that could be beyond what current gen can produce in real time.
lol perfect.
Wait, what Halo cut-scenes were pre-rendered?
Pre-renderd:
vs Realtime:
This is a perfect example of the difference between pre-rendered and real time. I can easily see the lower quality shaders and textures in the real time gif.
http://twitter.yfrog.com/gz91aafwjI was mostly thinking about Killzone 3, should have pointed that out. Do you have any source for that by the way? I do think it might be the case, but i would like to read more about it
This is the talk on their skin shading:http://advances.realtimerendering.c... 2010 Advanced RealTime Rendering Course).pdf
As for KZ3, the pre-rendered stuff was also done at 1080p (and 1080p 3D), so no they wouldn't be real-time on a single PS3.
Even so, they can go much heavier on particles in various scenes.There's guilty spark after the halo ce credits (very brief)
And
Cortana talking to the gravemind (Halo 2 legendary ending)
That's it. All others were realtime.
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Super FX 2 chip was a beast!
Is it the same chip used on Starfox?
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This reminds me of how much i want Nintendo to make another 2D sprite based Mario game again :\ But i love seeing that stuff anywaySuper FX 2 chip was a beast!
Looking even more closely, the texture details on the facial skin looks very detailed, maybe more than could be done in real time on today's consoles yeah. Playing the game on a 40" TV, i remember that scene looked really good, but i didnt think strike me as it could be pre-rendered.
I'm not trying to make a counter arguement on this by the way. I'm just wonderding about it. I just wanted to point that out in case it looked like that
Guilty Spark flying in space at the end of Halo CE. I'm pretty certain Halo 2's legendary ending was real-time.
Do you have links stating they are pre-rendered? It's been a while since I played either game, but from what I recall neither scene seemed beyond what was possible on the xbox.
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Thankshttp://twitter.yfrog.com/gz91aafwj
This is the talk on their skin shading:http://advances.realtimerendering.c... 2010 Advanced RealTime Rendering Course).pdf
As for KZ3, the pre-rendered stuff was also done at 1080p (and 1080p 3D), so no they wouldn't be real-time on a single PS3.
I didnt know about the 1080p stuff. I played Killzone 3 in 720p, i never bothered to force it to play in 1080p (upscaled of course) even if that was possible.
Almost. Starfox uses Super FX, the previous version of that chip. Yoshi's Island uses Super FX 2.
Are you seriously questioning this? They were both post credit sequences
Both had compression artifacts that irritated me
Both sequences were easily doable in real time
They were still pre-rendered
Well, at least it wasn't a video for Halo 2 Vista. The video files only contained the credits.
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Another game using pre-recorded cutscenes is Alan Wake.
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I'm not trying to make a counter arguement on this by the way. I'm just wonderding about it. I just wanted to point that out in case it looked like that
I know, the thought never crossed my mind. =)
huh, there was nothing to that scene with Guilty Spark, so it's surprising.
Yes, I am questioning it. =p
Like I admitted already, it's been a long time since I've played either game, so those scenes aren't really clear in my head. I guess I can always just replay the game when I get a chance to see it for myself.
Any one scene was doable in real, but I imagine it was just the fact it was switching between various scenes very quickly and I they probably couldn't load the assets quick enough on the Original Xbox
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Funny because I hate in game/engine cut-scenes (except for Halo 4 so far). but to each his own though.
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Damn.
DAT realtime cutscenes.
TUROK
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Wat. Both of these Killzone 3 cutscenes are from pre-rendered videos in the game. I even double checked to make sure.
That's odd considering the difference in quality of the models in the two gifs.
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Lol, the first one looks a lot better than the bottom (lighting, animation, etc).
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Different lighting conditions and different facial expressions (yelling vs pouting).
Facial detail is pretty similar. Scars and wrinkles don't equal more facial detail.
Here is his model. I can't check if it's a cutscene or not as I don't own it anymore.
http://www.play-mag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1-173.jpg
http://www.play-mag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1-173.jpg
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Thing is unlike with the original trilogy, the Reclaimer Trilogy has already been planned out story-wise. So, it's mainly the tech and probably bits and pieces of the story they have to work on. I'm guessing the next game will be late 2014.
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What is so funny about it?
Always happens at some point. Just like Uncharted was discussed as well. Someone always has to compare E-Penis sizes.
No mah gaem.
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This thread.
Someone made the mistake of making a gif of Halo 4's graphics, when everyone on gaf knows that Killzone has the best gifs.
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Had a key story element spoiled for me in the chat box of a stream...son of a bitch this sucks. 
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I forgot that PS3 games have exclusivity on having the best visuals.
How careless of me.
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Actually, somebody made the completely unnecessary comparison with Killzone 3 to demonstrate how Halo 4 has great facial animations.
But let's leave it behind now, please.
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That's a fact though..... .............J/K but this game does have delicious graphics. I usually don't spill drinks over Halo visuals but I said "DAMN" when I first saw the game in motion.
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Another direct feed from a post on B3D (No Spoilers)
Nope.
Edit: Why did they decide to go with that helm filter? Looks aweful.