i had no idea medium gi was disabling lumen altogether. i might try some ue5 games tonight and see if medium corresponds to medium gi.If they upgrade to 5.8, I think even lumen medium settings would yield better results. The footage could be the older default medium settings (see left below), which is quite useless.
I'm dying to see switch 2 games using the new medium gi option. I love ue5 I just hate how dependent it is on temporal solutions for its visuals.If they upgrade to 5.8, I think even lumen medium settings would yield better results. The footage could be the older default medium settings (see left below), which is quite useless.
the DF review has quotes from ubisoft devs who said they were inspired by Doom Dark Age's RT implementation for the 60 fps mode. It uses 1/16th res RT effects instead of 1/4th AC shadows used. so they upgraded their denoiser to work better with lower res RT effects, and shipped the performance mode at 1/16th res rt effects. Very similar to what Crimson desert did.AC Shadows and now Black Flag are the prime examples at how Rockstar might approach a performance mode for GTA VI if they indeed do that and the more I see the less I like it.
The fact that they have to ditch the hair tech to achieve 60fps alone is enough for me to dismiss it as pure heresy.
People might not think about it or even realize it but imagine how much worse GTA VI's trailers would look if they hadn't those impressive hair physics. I don't think it's an understatement to say it would completely change the look of the game.
yeah, they are blind. i have no idea how they didnt see the differences in yotei's 30 fps vs 60 fps pssr modes either.Funny how DF thinks this is not a noticeable difference in GI quality. Reducing the number of rays from 1/4 to 1/16 means 1/4th the total rays to indirectly light up the scene. And if they have lower quality proxies in the BVH, coupled with more aggressive denoising, rays could miss hitting leaves and branches entirely, which means indirect shadowing wouldn't occur. Still way better than the software GI they had on AC shadows for performance mode on base and the right way to approach game lighting going forward, but still... it's VERY noticeable. Most of the tree shadow cover is gone. And most of the bounce lighting on rocks that make them glow is gone too.
That's a very noticeable difference actually. Yes it's better than before but when compared to fidelity the difference is huge. Never take what DF says as gospel, these are the same people that touted taa as the best thing known to graphics. Now major parts of the graphics pipeline rely on temporal accumulation techniques. Looks great on still images which is what they mostly compare but it falls apart during gameplay which is what we're mostly doing!Funny how DF thinks this is not a noticeable difference in GI quality. Reducing the number of rays from 1/4 to 1/16 means 1/4th the total rays to indirectly light up the scene. And if they have lower quality proxies in the BVH, coupled with more aggressive denoising, rays could miss hitting leaves and branches entirely, which means indirect shadowing wouldn't occur. Still way better than the software GI they had on AC shadows for performance mode on base and the right way to approach game lighting going forward, but still... it's VERY noticeable. Most of the tree shadow cover is gone. And most of the bounce lighting on rocks that make them glow is gone too.
Agreed.
AC Shadows and now Black Flag are the prime examples at how Rockstar might approach a performance mode for GTA VI if they indeed do that and the more I see the less I like it.
The fact that they have to ditch the hair tech to achieve 60fps alone is enough for me to dismiss it as pure heresy.
People might not think about it or even realize it but imagine how much worse GTA VI's trailers would look if they hadn't those impressive hair physics. I don't think it's an understatement to say it would completely change the look of the game.
Seems to me the Pro performance mode has the same cutbacks in not just RTGI but shadow draw distance as well. The shadow maps on the ground are disappearing too. Doesn't look like it's GI alone that's impacted (shadowing amongst the branches and leaves and general darkening from indirect shadows).
I think the problem is comparing a rugged pirate to a silk skin asian woman...
That first experience of exploring Crookback Bog and finding the Crones is still one of the most amazing things I've done in a fantasy videogame, the whole atmosphere is just amazing and immersive, kinda makes me sad that we haven't gotten another game like that nor movie or tv show.Man I love how The Witcher 3 looks. The atmosphere is so unique and I dont know if getting rid of Red Engine was a good idea. We will see when times comes with Witcher 4
There are already multiple games shipped that use megalights.
There's literally 0 games out yet that use megalights. AW2 looks great, especially with path tracing. but yeah in terms of actual tech features, halo is pretty damn high in its usage, looking forward to the end results.
what Alan wake 2 tech is comparable to megalights?
Out of the games ive played:
this probably pops even harder in HDR.I'm surprised DF didn't make a whole video about megalights being production ready, this is the biggest tech breakthrough since nanite and lumen. I can't believe halo is going to ship with this technology! This would make it the most graphically advanced game when it releases
The only person that fully understood it at DF was Alex and he doesn't seem to be around anymore. Now the rest are likely trying to take some time to wrap their heads around the new tech. Given its performance characteristics, it's likely to get mass adoption on all UE5 games going forward. May even become the default setting for direct lights. And given the direction of travel with other game engines, like Rage, ND and Snowdrop, others are likely working on ray traced direct lighting as well. And to see all that running on base consoles at 60 is just *chef's kiss". You essentially have ray traced unlimited direct lights (megalights), ray traced indirect lights (lumen GI) and ray traced reflections (lumen reflections). The only difference between this and basic path tracing is the unified path, which requires 3x to 6x more bounces. But if RT performance next gen is 10x or above, and AI can simulate additional bounces at the fraction of the cost, like Neural Radiance Caching, PT at 60 fps is a near lock. It's the natural next step, which means the future is really bright.
It's not the character rendering I don't think. RTGI simulates real life lighting which, without some sort of hero lighting could make things look worse in certain conditions - especially if it's low quality RTGIWhen days gone ps4 version mute, random ncps in a camp almost(?) trump one of your main characters in a supposedly nextgen 2026 game
Holy maccaroni...ubisoft really need to get their head out of their ass and invest in some character rendering tech, like yesterday...
Don't know why they haven't imported RTXDI from snowdrop yet. That would be an easy win.
Whaaat? No. Hero lighting ruins RTGI. It technically wipes it out entirely by directly lighting the model instead of allowing any natural bounce lighting. This is not a lighting issue. It's an art/asset rendering issue. There's no SSS on the skin or clothing at all and the textures are not responding to light like a current gen game. No self shadowing either. They all look flat and opaque, regardless of lighting condition. Compare it to the cutscene asset and the difference is stark:
Character rendering in cutscenes at least got a big boost from Shadows. they all look really good in cutscenes. After cutscenes, the self shadowing or lack theroef makes them look bad but in cutscenes, the facial animations and skin shaders look really good.
No SSS in gameplay either, it seems. They might be model/LOD swapping too, based on the shot I posted above. There's way more fat around his neck that I don't see in gameplay:
For hair strands, they should've given up on it, or waited until they atleast got the shadows down and the RT implementation on it. The only games I've seen do it well are sports games. The AC series, Halo, Tomb Raider, and some others. They're all pretty games, but they all still haven't broken out of that late PS4 pleasing graphics stage.
Even in cutscenes. It's still off. Everything exterior looks fine, but when it comes to interior lighting, it just fails completely at times.
A full RT implementation will not happen for hair strands without LSS acceleration, which is currently exclusive to 50 series. It will need something like RTX Hair with LSS, which is currently only implemented in path traced Indy in a post launch patch. But hair shadows would still be doable in RT with a rasterized proxy in the BVH. Capcom did it quite well on both RE9 and Pragmata. Both had hair proxies fully rasterized in the BVH even for PT. It looks like this game has it too, but not as well done. Laufey, for example, has none at the moment. That better change before launch. Lol.
I have a feeling this is the death knell for ID Tech. So many graphics engineers were let go that I think all it will get now is legacy support. If machine games survives, they will likely need to scramble for alternatives after their next game.
Are you assuming megalights is implemented if the game has a cvar for it?
But only with UE4... And not the official UE5 solution.
