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[Audioboxer]

I don't understand what you mean by 'normalization' when talking about rehabilitation. Rehab isn't about undoing what's been done, or making a crime acceptable. It's about preventing future crimes from taking place by addressing those who have or may commit them.



I was just posting about it in the US. I don't know squat about German law.

Any attempts to "work with" the mind of a paedophile to downplay the severity of any concept of sexualizing children. Whether it be stating to them anything along the lines of just use clothed children or children depicted in cartoons. If you want to talk about rehabilitating a mind that works like that you have to try and remove or restrict the impulses to want to sexualize children, completely. At times that can also be content restriction/management, regardless of it being legal content. It's not helpful to the cause when people start inferring "oh you're not as bad a paedophile as the others because some of them got physical with children and you didn't". There are many paedophiles out there who haven't been caught and do go around reading comments online about others views on paedophilia. Confirmation bias you could say if they go around picking up on people/communities making arguments that normalise things in their minds.

I'm trying my best to try and articulate how the actual professionals would do their best to rehabilitate/risk manage someone, while also briefly discussing the importance for everyday civilians like us to take heed of what you can say might not actually be helpful to the idea of rehabilitation. Rehab is about attempting to "undo" the way brains work that sexualize children. That is the fundamental concept of how we try and risk manage paedophiles within the confines of what we can legally do ~ You've got lock up, admit to mental hospitals (often after being locked up or some without seeing actual jail time) and then spoken therapy. The later which tries to undo the thought processes of the minds of the paedophiles, and routinely replace normalisation in the brain with a sincere understanding of how fundamentally morally wrong and dangerous it is to sexualise children. Medication, as I said, is one area I really know little, but I don't doubt many are on forms of anti-depressants/tranquillizers/anxiety meds and more. When it's back out in the populations we have sex offender lists, the restrictions on where they can live/work and obviously monitoring and no doubt spoken therapy/medication continuing.

Watch the Louis Theroux documentary on the prior page if you haven't. It touches on rehabilitation concepts.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Any attempts to "work with" the mind of a paedophile to downplay the severity of any concept of sexualizing children. Whether it be stating to them anything along the lines of just use clothed children or children depicted in cartoons. If you want to talk about rehabilitating a mind that works like that you have to try and remove or restrict the impulses to want to sexualize children, completely. At times that can also be content restriction/management, regardless of it being legal content. It's not helpful to the cause when people start inferring "oh you're not as bad a paedophile as the others because some of them got physical with children and you didn't". There are many paedophiles out there who haven't been caught and do go around reading comments online about others views on paedophilia. Confirmation bias you could say if they go around picking up on people/communities making arguments that normalise things in their minds.

I'm trying my best to try and articulate how the actual professionals would do their best to rehabilitate/risk manage someone, while also briefly discussing the importance for everyday civilians like us to take heed of what you can say might not actually be helpful to the idea of rehabilitation. Rehab is about attempting to "undo" the way brains work that sexualize children. That is the fundamental concept of how we try and risk manage paedophiles within the confines of what we can legally do ~ You've got lock up, admit to mental hospitals (often after being locked up or some without seeing actual jail time) and then spoken therapy. The later which tries to undo the thought processes of the minds of the paedophiles. Medication, as I said, is one area I really know little, but I don't doubt many are on forms of anti-depressants/tranquillizers/anxiety meds and more. When it's back out in the populations we have sex offender lists, the restrictions on where they can live/work and obviously monitoring and no doubt spoken therapy/medication continuing.

Does the actual therapy promote using images of clothed children or cartoon depictions of children? Nothing I've read suggests that it does. In fact the opposite.

Men who do not respond exclusively to children have better prospects for channeling their sexuality in socially acceptable ways. We foster this in treatment by, for example, including his partner in the process—if he in fact has one. Sometimes shyness and insecurity with women are behind a man's sexual interest in children.

For those who are exclusively attracted to children, we teach them to live responsibly with their predilection—that is, to come to terms with it while understanding that they can never act on this particular sexual desire.

M.D., Ph.D. Klaus M. Beier

 

[Audioboxer]

Does the actual therapy promote using images of clothed children or cartoon depictions of children? Nothing I've read suggests that it does. In fact the opposite.

Of course not, that's my point. Those arguments came up from an earlier poster who was speculating on them. The point of my very original post was to try and articulate to that poster no therapists or anyone in charge or rehabilitation is going to act in that way. Therefore, it's not actually helpful (medically or morally) as a suggestion.

 

[StayDead]

how the FUCK are there so many pedophiles?

The only thing that makes sense is that some people are born with biological urges to make them find children attractive much like any other attraction. It's incredibly wrong, but it's been a sadly normal part of human behaviour for a very, very long time and only within the past few centuries have we started rightly moving away from it. Perhaps it's an abnormality in the brain, but there's not much these people can do. You can't switch off your brain from getting turned on by something, it's hardwired into you.

The people who have gone as far to sign up to something like this have gone too far and should be punished on the severity of their crimes, but we need to somehow set up a system in society to help these people before they get even get to the point of doing something like this or even take a step further and hurt an innocent person. In the UK for instance if someone reports that they are having these urges to the doctor even if they've never acted on it, the doctors have an obligation to tell the police and within days they're arrested or at least taken in for questioning/investigation and their name gets thrown all over the press.

Even though they've never acted on the urges they get demonised. People see this and then refuse to get help, then we end up with a situation like the one here on TOR. I refuse to defend anything these people have done/are doing as it's abhorrent and as I said they need to be punished by the law based on the severity of their crimes. We do all need to do everything we can to stop innocent people getting hurt.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Of course not, that's my point. Those arguments came up from an earlier poster who was speculating on them. The point of my very original post was to try and articulate to that poster no therapists or anyone in charge or rehabilitation is going to act in that way. Therefore, it's not actually helpful (medically or morally) as a suggestion.

So your point is no qualified therapist would condone the use of photographs or artistic depictions of children?

NOT that there's a lack of value in attempting rehabilitation of pedophiles?

 

[CREMSteve]

http://www.poconorecord.com/news/20170628/tobyhanna-man-charged-in-child-porn-case
Wasn't enough to have child porn on his laptop he needed it on the go on his phone. Kids as young as 4 years old.
He will be back on the street in no time. Hell he might not even serve jail time.

Goddamn. I had no idea this happened.

 

[SkeptiMism]

Really hard to imagine how it must be to work trying to catch people like this. Heroes.
And then some fucker here goes on to say they're just the same as the people they're trying to catch.. Not cool.

I hope they also managed to get info on the users of the site. I can empathize with pedophiles who don't act on their urges and I really wish they could get help, but the users of that site already went too far.

he did ban her and it was the other reason as well

He didn't ban her and he didn't threaten her either. He was demodded for talking down to her.
She asked the mods for her account to be nuked for other reasons (and this happened quite a bit later). If you want you can check it from her brother, but really, it's better to just let it be.

 

[Audioboxer]

So your point is no qualified therapist would condone the use of photographs or artistic depictions of children?

NOT that there's a lack of value in attempting to rehabilitation of pedophiles?

None that I'm aware of because as you've posted

to come to terms with it while understanding that they can never act on this particular sexual desire.

If you do watch that documentary there's a somewhat funny "oh shit" moment when Louis points out there is a painting of a boy in a ward which could be seen as suggestive. Then it gets taken away! Legal painting or not, the point is not to fuel sexual desires through any sort of normalisation/acting on them.

As for getting me to debate value in rehabilitation, the condensed view of mine is it's but an attempt to control/risk-manage/change or at least do something about people we face in life who are dangers in some way. My field of study is psychology, so of course, I have a lot of belief in therapy and the tremendous value in it. I do however believe that there can be minds out there that are such a high-risk level that they simply end up being locked up for life for the greater good (or placed into mental/medical facilities as a form of restricted living outside of a jail). It's always about trying to decipher who that is the case for, and who stands a chance for some sort of public release. As a legal system and as a collective of professionals, if you sign off on releasing someone and they go back out into the public and repeat offend, that's potentially new victims because they were given the opportunity. No one wants that, but sure, many want to believe in the concept of being able to rehabilitate and not just jail everyone until they rot/die.

Alright, then I agree with what you're saying. I just lost the point in your posts and interpreted it as asserting that an attempt to rehabilitate them was normalizing pedophilia.

Ah okay, no, definitely not. It's probably just been me being wordy/not precise enough.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

None that I'm aware of because as you've posted.

Alright, then I agree with what you're saying. I just lost the point in your posts and interpreted it as asserting that an attempt to rehabilitate them was normalizing pedophilia.

 

[HotHamBoy]

Probably the most upsetting fact is that this will have no impact on the continued sexual abuse of children globally.

87,000 members is a lot, but it's ultimately fractional when it comes down to it.

I'm sure a lot of the content existed before the platform was created. Content will continue to be made, as well.

The world is truly an awful, horrid scumhole.

Just imagine how many people are secretly chained up in people's basements at this very moment.

 

[Pizza con salsiccia]

he did ban her and it was the other reason as well

Flickr!

It was his flickr, now I remember, that's where the weird pictures were.

Anyway, that's not the subject here.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Probably the most upsetting fact is that this will have no impact on the continued sexual abuse of children globally.

87,000 members is a lot, but it's ultimately fractional when it comes down to it.

I'm sure a lot of the content existed before the platform was created. Content will continue to be made, as well.

The world is truly an awful, horrid scumhole.

Just imagine how many people are secretly chained up in people's basements at this very moment.

It's fraction of a fraction because of those 87,000 members they probably won't even find or arrest 1/100th of them. One part because it's still hard to track down, especially when it's international, that many people and of course due to finite resources. They target the creators and distributors and most active members of the "community" which again is probably a further fraction with the vast, vast majority probably being lurkers who will either move on to another darkweb site that pops up or be spooked enough to quit.

 

[Vilix]

-In this thread I found out Amir0x is a very sick fuck, I mean a genuine walking piece of shit
-Opiate was also another that should have been the face of birth control

What?

Would some please summarize what's been going on?

 

[Audioboxer]

What?

Would some please summarize what's been going on?

It's been posted a few times in here already

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242118178&postcount=390

http://www.poconorecord.com/news/20170628/tobyhanna-man-charged-in-child-porn-case

 

[cpp_is_king]

Word of mouth. Also 4chan was super into it for awhile.

Shit infuriates me, i know Tor has legitimate use cases, but how often is it used for them compared to this kind of sick shit? I read about a kidnap/murder forum a few years ago where people would post pictures of their victims and discuss torture methods. Given that it's used for this kind of shit every day, apparently by hundreds of thousands of people , I'm convinced it does more harm than good. I honestly wish Tor could just be shut down for good.

 

[Symphonia]

I honestly wish Tor could just be shut down for good.

Impossible. Tor is not a single entity, it is an open-source platform. It will exist for as long as people continue to use it. Even if you could shut it down, a new one would pop up.

 

[Username1198]

On that issue.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1398718&page=1

HOLY.FUCKING.SHIT.

What a fucking sicko

 

[Haunted]

Great job by the police and everyone involved, Generalstaatsanwaltschaft Frankfurt and their special investigators (for various areas) are highly competent.

 

[+Aliken+]

Reading all this makes me sick. I just can't get shit like this round my head, it is too much to handle.

I'm PROUD of the Police here in Frankfurt.

 

[Always-honest]

It's been posted a few times in here already

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242118178&postcount=390

http://www.poconorecord.com/news/20170628/tobyhanna-man-charged-in-child-porn-case

Holy fucking shit?!! I missed this completely... WTF?!!

 

[Grassy]

It's been posted a few times in here already

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=242118178&postcount=390

http://www.poconorecord.com/news/20170628/tobyhanna-man-charged-in-child-porn-case

Fucking hell...

 

[Verelios]

80K people...this really makes my blood boil. It's not civilised or helpful but when I was reading the OP, the only thought circling my mind was KILL because fuck, they've already irreparably hurt these innocent children.

Fuck. I'm in a horrible mood now.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

80K people...this really makes my blood boil. It's not civilised or helpful but when I was reading the OP, the only thought circling my mind was KILL because fuck, they've already irreparably hurt these innocent children.

Fuck. I'm in a horrible mood now.

Not to ruin your day any further, but this isn't the biggest child abuse ring that's been uncovered this year...

A global child sexual exploitation ring has been taken down by the FBI and Europol, leading to the arrest of hundreds of suspected paedophiles.

Florida man Steven W Chase, 58, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for creating what is believed to have been “the world’s largest child pornography website” with more than 150,000 users.

In total some 870 people were arrested or convicted worldwide, including 368 in Europe alone, and so far at least 259 sexually abused children have been identified or rescued from abusers outside the US.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...al-paedophilia-ring-870-arrests-a7722821.html

Again, I don't want to ruin your day but this a significant problem and we're not doing enough to combat it because of how emotive the subject matter is.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Impossible. Tor is not a single entity, it is an open-source platform. It will exist for as long as people continue to use it. Even if you could shut it down, a new one would pop up.

I think impossible is a bit too strong of a word, but it would require fundamental changes to how the internet works. Also, fwiw i said "i wish". I know it probably won't happen in my lifetime

 

[Verelios]

Not to ruin your day any further, but this isn't the biggest child abuse ring that's been uncovered this year...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...al-paedophilia-ring-870-arrests-a7722821.html

Again, I don't want to ruin your day but this a significant problem and we're not doing enough to combat it because of how emotive the subject matter is.

I hate this so much it's impossible to verbalize. Fuck them, fuck being humane and fuck optics, I hope they're caught and spend the rest of their lives in a 5x5 cell with nothing but their nightmares.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The law might sentence differently for severity of the crime (length of sentence), but this is a misguided comment. No one should "normalise" paedophilia in any way. That is why people are hostile to the "open discussions" you are asking for. Going to seek help because of thoughts you're having is one thing, but not accepting the severity of said thoughts is not a path you want to go down under "cartoons/clothed children". Even a psychologist would tell you that. Normalisation is not the answer/acceptable behaviour, it's incredibly damaging and fuels the cycles of paedophiles. If you want to argue about rehabilitating paedophiles then you will have to accept part of that rehabilitation is the explicit stating of what is wrong/illegal and the attempt to completely and utterly nuke any sort of normalisation in the mind of the person. So no, no room is given to "but what happens if its just kids in clothing I sexualise? It's not real nudes!". That is unacceptable behaviour and these kinds of attempts to skirt the law to "aid" the paedophile are not acceptable. Absolutely no form of rehabilitation is going to play ball with these concepts, let alone actively encourage someone to just seek out clothed children instead. Or even cartoons. If someone is sexualizing children then there will be an effort to remove/restrict them from any sort of content that depicts children sexually, yes, even cartoons or animated content.

It may seem like I'm going in strong here, but if there's one thing that infuriates many it's apathy and/or normalisation of paedophilia that occasionally goes on. If any paedophiles read forms of "normalisation" across the internet all that does is reinforce in their minds oh, it's okay if I suppress my urges by downloading CP because "people online say I'm not really hurting anyone". Or, "there are different types of paedophilia, so I'm one of the better paedophiles". None of this is helpful, and in fact, it's potentially dangerous. Amir0x appeared to give that statement when arrested and charged, that he "just did what he did to suppress urges". Apparently going for "I'm one of the better paedophiles" argument. That cannot be accepted or normalised when the core issue with paedophiles is the sexualisation of children. You might get a shorter sentence depending on what you've done, but you're still going on a sex offenders list and you like any other paedophile still have the same core problem, sexualising children. To try and tackle that zero tolerance can be given to any sort of sexualisation of children, however they are depicted.

Quoting again because it was an excellent post. Will be giving some posters here the extra side eye when I see borderline comments in the future. Gaming side in games with kids as characters in particular.

Every time I see mention of Splatoon "waifus" mmmhmmmmmmmm....see avatar.
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[TTBurger88]

Why cant we shut down Tor for good. I have yet to read a story that Tor helped anyone or gave back to the world. Nothing on Tor is good and it needs to be abolished forever.

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

Why cant we shut down Tor for good. I have yet to read a story that Tor helped anyone or gave back to the world. Nothing on Tor is good and it needs to be abolished forever.

Tor is just a tool for accessing parts of the deep web. You get rid of it, but adozen others will rise in its stead. The best we can do is keep uncovering more of these sick fucks and throwing the book at each and every last one. Hopefully Amir0x gets the maximum sentence.

 

[Audioboxer]

Not to ruin your day any further, but this isn't the biggest child abuse ring that's been uncovered this year...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...al-paedophilia-ring-870-arrests-a7722821.html

Again, I don't want to ruin your day but this a significant problem and we're not doing enough to combat it because of how emotive the subject matter is.

Chase created the website, called 'Playpen', in August 2014 on the Dark Web network Tor, where people can communicate and access material anonymously through "hidden service" websites.

Sick.

One month later the FBI, along with support from European and local law enforcement, launched Operation Pacifier to find Playpen's thousands of members.

Some criticised the operation for its ”unprecedented" use of malware, targeting over 1,000 computers with one warrant.

Steve Wilson, head of Europol's European Cybercrime Centre said: ”Those individuals involved in the sexual abuse of children are becoming increasingly forensically aware and are actively using the most advanced forms of anonymisation and encryption to avoid detection.

”Law enforcement needs to be able to use proportionate means to tackle this threat to our children. The internet has no boundaries and does not recognise borders. We need to balance the rights of victims versus the right to privacy."

If it can be done within the law, then get it done. Smart intelligence services!

Quoting again because it was an excellent post. Will be giving some posters here the extra side eye when I see borderline comments in the future. Gaming side in games with kids as characters in particular.

Every time I see mention of Splatoon "waifus" mmmhmmmmmmmm....see avatar.
.

People can sometimes be suspect, but we all do need to be careful in the action of inferring or labelling someone a paedophile. As I went on to say a lot of my posts were around dealing with a mind which is undoubtedly that of a paedophile, and why there can be zero tolerance of them normalising sexualising children (even if the content is legal). The original poster I quoted was talking about people who are paedophiles and how they could speculate around lesser infractions/ways to talk about or deal with urges legally. That needs you to either turn yourself in if you've done anything illegal and if you haven't you still need to go and report yourself to a doctor/psychologist for the way you think and risk you may pose. Medical practitioners, who still may ethically be required to contact the police due to any potential for you to be a risk in society or to yourself. Patient/Doctor confidentiality exists but there are ethical exceptions where there is a duty of care to the patient and those around them to report serious concerns. From there if people want to talk about rehab or what to do with the mind of a paedophile long-term, that is where it's zero-tolerance and absolutely zero normalisation of the sexualisation of children being the goal.

There will be thousands (or sadly most likely millions) of paedophiles across the world currently engaged in downloading/uploading and using CP, before we even get to anyone directly physically abusing children. The prior is still illegal and it's not up to society at large to normalise things for you so you can talk about what is wrong with you online. If you have autonomy over your actions you should be met online with widespread criticism/condemnation of the acts/ways of thinking precisely to try and get you to turn yourself in/seek medical attention. I'm not referring to anyone online telling you to kill yourself when I say criticism/condemnation, but the millions of people who will condemn the act/way of thinking/any associated actions. You need to be surrounded by brutal honesty that there is incredibly serious harm in what you're thinking/doing. You are hurting children if you're actively engaged in using these websites or TOR (which I still do not 100% understand ~ It was referenced in Mr Robot with the sales of drugs/human trafficking/weapons/CP/etc).

The ideal scenario is people turning themselves in, but that's largely the impossible task. As we routinely see people only see the consequences for their actions and ways of behaving when the law/FBI manage to shut down these sites and arrest owners/users. Still, we, and everyone out there have social obligations to speak truthfully and honestly in an attempt to start to delegitimise paedophilia in the minds of anyone we can (and potentially lead to even 1 person turning themselves in) and protect the children hurt/abused and caught up in situations that forever changes their lives. It's not fair that these children if they survive the original trauma physically/mentally, then have to try and get pieced back together by professionals for all or most of their adult life. Anyone downloading/sharing content is complicit in supporting/enjoying/furthering such hurt and pain.

I mean if anyone wants to see the failings of society at large to delegitimise just look to the case of Jimmy Saville ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal

More recently in the times of many of the younger adults on GAF there was the shock when the Lostprophets singer got busted ~ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

Point being there is people in places of wealth and power who abuse children and even they, like your average non-important internet user need to be facing constant and continual reinforcement that what they are thinking/doing or believing is fundamentally wrong, illegal and DOES hurt children.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Sick.





If it can be done within the law, then get it done. Smart intelligence services!



People can sometimes be suspect, but we all do need to be careful in the action of inferring or labelling someone a paedophile. As I went on to say a lot of my posts were around dealing with a mind which is undoubtedly that of a paedophile, and why there can be zero tolerance of them normalising sexualising children (even if the content is legal). The original poster I quoted was talking about people who are paedophiles and how they could speculate around lesser infractions/ways to talk about or deal with urges legally. That needs you to either turn yourself in if you've done anything illegal and if you haven't you still need to go and report yourself to a doctor/psychologist for the way you think and risk you may pose. Medical practitioners, who still may ethically be required to contact the police due to any potential for you to be a risk in society or to yourself. Patient/Doctor confidentiality exists but there are ethical exceptions where there is a duty of care to the patient and those around them to report serious concerns. From there if people want to talk about rehab or what to do with the mind of a paedophile long-term, that is where it's zero-tolerance and absolutely zero normalisation of the sexualisation of children being the goal.

There will be thousands (or sadly most likely millions) of paedophiles across the world currently engaged in downloading/uploading and using CP, before we even get to anyone directly physically abusing children. The prior is still illegal and it's not up to society at large to normalise things for you so you can talk about what is wrong with you online. If you have autonomy over your actions you should be met online with widespread criticism/condemnation of the acts/ways of thinking precisely to try and get you to turn yourself in/seek medical attention. I'm not referring to anyone online telling you to kill yourself when I say criticism/condemnation, but the millions of people who will condemn the act/way of thinking/any associated actions. You need to be surrounded by brutal honesty that there is incredibly serious harm in what you're thinking/doing. You are hurting children if you're actively engaged in using these websites or TOR (which I still do not 100% understand ~ It was referenced in Mr Robot with the sales of drugs/human trafficking/weapons/CP/etc).

The ideal scenario is people turning themselves in, but that's largely the impossible task. As we routinely see people only see the consequences for their actions and ways of behaving when the law/FBI manage to shut down these sites and arrest owners/users. Still, we, and everyone out there have social obligations to speak truthfully and honestly in an attempt to start to delegitimise paedophilia in the minds of anyone we can (and potentially lead to even 1 person turning themselves in) and protect the children hurt/abused and caught up in situations that forever changes their lives. It's not fair that these children if they survive the original trauma physically/mentally, then have to try and get pieced back together by professionals for all or most of their adult life. Anyone downloading/sharing content is complicit in supporting/enjoying/furthering such hurt and pain.

I mean if anyone wants to see the failings of society at large to delegitimise just look to the case of Jimmy Saville ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal

More recently in the times of many of the younger adults on GAF there was the shock when the Lostprophets singer got busted ~ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

Point being there is people in places of wealth and power who abuse children and even they, like your average non-important internet user need to be facing constant and continual reinforcement that what they are thinking/doing or believing is fundamentally wrong, illegal and DOES hurt children.

Yea, basically all of this.

Thinking about Amirox, hearing him say he needed to "suppress his urges" is pretty frightening. That is practically admitting he is a potential threat to kids. Especially with someone like him who has a history of rather impulsive actions.

Actually I don't want to think about that anymore.

 

[Kain-Nosgoth]

Good work on the german police here, hope they'll find everyone who made the content!

There should be way more option to help the ones who genuinly know it's wrong and don't want to act upon it, rather than demonize them and make their lives worse than it already is! (not saying it should be normalized)

Also everyone should read this article about a young 16 years old pedophile who seeked help (never acted upon it) :

https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophile-you-dont-want-to-hurt-anyone-what-do-you-do-now-e11ce4b88bdb

everyone desserves a chance, even them, even if their urges are horrible and wrong!

but yeah, once you act upon it, you must be punshied, even if it's just looking to photo/video, because it supports the one who made them!

 

[I H8 Memes]

I heard about Amirox the other day, but what is this about Opiate?

Edit: I honestly wonder how effective those LSD therapies could be for pedophiles. Seems to work miracles for people with other severe mental issues.

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

I heard about Amirox the other day, but what is this about Opiate?

Edit: I honestly wonder how effective those LSD therapies could be for pedophiles. Seems to work miracles for people with other severe mental issues.

Opiate had a long history of questionably pro pedophilia comments and then the optics of him being demodded around the Fiction incident don't help either. It's been one of the favourite low hanging targets for the anti Neogaf pockets around the web.

 

[Audioboxer]

Yea, basically all of this.

Thinking about Amirox, hearing him say he needed to "suppress his urges" is pretty frightening. That is practically admitting he is a potential threat to kids. Especially with someone like him who has a history of rather impulsive actions.

Actually I don't want to think about that anymore.

Pretty much, and it's why everyone needs to do their part not to aid minds that think "I'm one of the good guys for suppressing physical urges by just using videos/photos!". The only morally, socially and legally acceptable outcome, if you have the brain of a paedophile, is to turn yourself in. Either to the police or to a medical practitioner, who as I said above may need to contact the police anyway. You ARE a threat to society, and if people want to believe in the fundamentals of rehab, part of rehab requires the individual to admit they have a problem/have something wrong with them. I understand someone might interject here and say "but some don't think they're doing anything wrong". That is why it's soo important for all information across the internet and public dialect, to continually reinforce it IS wrong.

I doubt anyone wants to be a threat to society (other than complete and utter psychopaths/lunatics), but if you are, and you have control/autonomy over your thinking faculties, the onus is on you to act accordingly. Before society, the law and others act for you and come after you for being complicit in the destruction of children's lives, bodies and more. I can't necessarily say people will be jumping up and down respecting you if you turn yourself in right away and are cleared of actually doing anything illegal, but you're at least showing self-respect for yourself to report your problem and not be complicit in illegal activities and engaging in hurting children. The psychological and medical fields WILL do what they can for you, and importantly you'll be managed in a way that aims to protect those around you, from you.

 

[pastrami]

Pretty much, and it's why everyone needs to do their part not to aid minds that think "I'm one of the good guys for suppressing physical urges by just using videos/photos!". The only morally, socially and legally acceptable outcome, if you have the brain of a paedophile, is to turn yourself in. Either to the police or to a medical practitioner, who as I said above may need to contact the police anyway. You ARE a threat to society, and if people want to believe in the fundamentals of rehab, part of rehab requires the individual to admit they have a problem/have something wrong with them. I understand someone might interject here and say "but some don't think they're doing anything wrong". That is why it's soo important for all information across the internet and public dialect, to continually reinforce it IS wrong.

I doubt anyone wants to be a threat to society (other than complete and utter psychopaths/lunatics), but if you are, and you have control/autonomy over your thinking faculties, the onus is on you to act accordingly. Before society, the law and others act for you and come after you for being complicit in the destruction of children's lives, bodies and more. I can't necessarily say people will be jumping up and down respecting you if you turn yourself in right away and are cleared of actually doing anything illegal, but you're at least showing self-respect for yourself to report your problem and not be complicit in illegal activities and engaging in hurting children. The psychological and medical fields WILL do what they can for you, and importantly you'll be managed in a way that aims to protect those around you, from you.

Remember, we are potentially talking about kids here. Unless we create an environment where kids who are starting to feel these urges feel like it's safe to come out as a pedophile, people are going to continue to learn to hide their desires from the public. To the detriment of everyone.

Were you completely open as a 15 year old? Did you tell everyone everything about your life? Things you were ashamed of or embarrassed by? How many gay or lesbian teenagers suffered from hiding their sexuality? "Being gay is wrong. It goes against God." So you hide the fact that you have feelings for guys. Maybe well into your adulthood. Please note that I'm not suggesting that being a pedophile is a valid sexual orientation, just offering an example of how hard it can be to admit that you are not "normal" much less admit that you are "evil."

It just feels so naive to believe that these people should just "man up" so to speak, and out themselves, especially in this climate. Just look at the hostility in this thread.

Edit: That said, I do agree that it is something that shouldn't be normalized.

 

[Carl2291]

Amir0x huh? Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[mantidor]

Why cant we shut down Tor for good. I have yet to read a story that Tor helped anyone or gave back to the world. Nothing on Tor is good and it needs to be abolished forever.

Think of Tor as using a proxy in a way, its there only to hide (make anonymous) the origin of the communication content, but the content is solely the responsibility of the user. Its very possible lots of information that have helped people in, lets say, dictatorships for instance went through Tor, but by it's very nature very few people would know about it.

The problem isn't Tor.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Why cant we shut down Tor for good. I have yet to read a story that Tor helped anyone or gave back to the world. Nothing on Tor is good and it needs to be abolished forever.

Tor isn't a thing. It is a distributed network. There is no "Tor building", or "Tor company", or "Tor server". Tor is an open source software that everyone can see, everyone can edit, everyone can download for free. Tor nodes are run by hobbyists and activists all around the world. You can't shut down tor any more than you can shut down torrents or HAM radio. Tor also has plenty of good uses: abuse victims can use it to communicate with social workers, citizens in oppressive states can use it to communicate with journalists). Just because you don't hear stories about victims using it to avoid their stalkers doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It's pointless to think about anyways. Even assuming it's possible to "shut it down," the US military created and uses it and has a vested interest in its continued existence.

 

[perfectchaos007]

I'm starting to think there are WAY more pedophiles out there than we truly realize. Like, it could possibly be a fairly high % of the population. The worst thing a pedophile can do is act on their urges and sexually assault children. Fortunately, only a small % of pedophiles do that ( but its still way too big of a number, whatever it is). A much higher % of pedophiles get their fix with child pornography, like this darknet site that was taken down.

However, Daniel Tosh recently did a segment on his show that made me realize the problem is much worse, and there may be an even greater number of pedophiles out there who aren't having sex with children or watching child pornography due to fears of being caught or whatever their reasons may be, BUT they are getting their fix on youtube channels featuring young girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgauA089Ok

I think Daniel Tosh is on to something. No way does a video featuring several unknown girls get the majority of their 100million+ views from kids their age. Youtube, as well as the owner of the channel, get sent viewer age demographic information so they know exactly how old their audience is. I would be shocked if the average viewer age was below 18. More than likely the 35+ age demo is whats getting that channel the most clicks.

While Youtube has spent the last couple of months demonetizing alt-right and offensive content, I really think they should take a hard look at channels like the one Tosh exposed and shutting those down.

 

[Izuna]

Why cant we shut down Tor for good. I have yet to read a story that Tor helped anyone or gave back to the world. Nothing on Tor is good and it needs to be abolished forever.

I can't find it but there was a post on /r/Tor where there was an internal memo that basically said that moving people off of Tor would be a huge mistake. It's best to fight the battles within it rather than have people forcing themselves to be super careful.

It's basically why whistleblowers don't have the sort of protection you think.
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ITT people comparing homosexuality to paedophilia. ;/

 

[cpp_is_king]

I can't find it but there was a post on /r/Tor where there was an internal memo that basically said that moving people off of Tor would be a huge mistake. It's best to fight the battles within it rather than have people forcing themselves to be super careful.

It's basically why whistleblowers don't have the sort of protection you think.
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ITT people comparing homosexuality to paedophilia. ;/

"internal" to what? It was from the US government or something?

 

[Boogie9IGN]

Uhhh as someone who used to know Amir0x through IRC like 12+ years ago, this is some trippy and gross shit

 

[cpp_is_king]

I'm starting to think there are WAY more pedophiles out there than we truly realize. Like, it could possibly be a fairly high % of the population. The worst thing a pedophile can do is act on their urges and sexually assault children. Fortunately, only a small % of pedophiles do that ( but its still way too big of a number, whatever it is). A much higher % of pedophiles get their fix with child pornography, like this darknet site that was taken down.

However, Daniel Tosh recently did a segment on his show that made me realize the problem is much worse, and there may be an even greater number of pedophiles out there who aren't having sex with children or watching child pornography due to fears of being caught or whatever their reasons may be, BUT they are getting their fix on youtube channels featuring young girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgauA089Ok

I think Daniel Tosh is on to something. No way does a video featuring several unknown girls get the majority of their 100million+ views from kids their age. Youtube, as well as the owner of the channel, get sent viewer age demographic information so they know exactly how old their audience is. I would be shocked if the average viewer age was below 18. More than likely the 35+ age demo is whats getting that channel the most clicks.

While Youtube has spent the last couple of months demonetizing alt-right and offensive content, I really think they should take a hard look at channels like the one Tosh exposed and shutting those down.

Wow, that channel is creepy as fuck. IDK about outright shutting it down since technically the channels aren't doing anything illegal. But if I were working for the government special crimes division, I would be doing my damndest to try keeping tabs on the people who frequent those channels. These people are basically outing themselves without the veil of anonymity that Tor provides.

Edit: Also covertly investigating the channel owners as a deeper investigation might lead to actual criminal stuff.

 

[RinsFury]

What the hell is that channel Tosh was talking about?? I visited and clicked some pool party video on the front page, only watching a short bit made me feel sick. How the hell does Youtube allow that channel to exist? What the fuck.

 

[FyreWulff]

Why cant we shut down Tor for good. I have yet to read a story that Tor helped anyone or gave back to the world. Nothing on Tor is good and it needs to be abolished forever.

Tor is an invention of the US Navy and is used by spies and operatives to securely send messages back without being found out. To shut down Tor would mean you'd have to convince the military to turn their Tor nodes off.

I'm not making this up, btw.

 

[jph139]

Pretty much, and it's why everyone needs to do their part not to aid minds that think "I'm one of the good guys for suppressing physical urges by just using videos/photos!". The only morally, socially and legally acceptable outcome, if you have the brain of a paedophile, is to turn yourself in. Either to the police or to a medical practitioner, who as I said above may need to contact the police anyway. You ARE a threat to society, and if people want to believe in the fundamentals of rehab, part of rehab requires the individual to admit they have a problem/have something wrong with them. I understand someone might interject here and say "but some don't think they're doing anything wrong". That is why it's soo important for all information across the internet and public dialect, to continually reinforce it IS wrong.

I doubt anyone wants to be a threat to society (other than complete and utter psychopaths/lunatics), but if you are, and you have control/autonomy over your thinking faculties, the onus is on you to act accordingly. Before society, the law and others act for you and come after you for being complicit in the destruction of children's lives, bodies and more. I can't necessarily say people will be jumping up and down respecting you if you turn yourself in right away and are cleared of actually doing anything illegal, but you're at least showing self-respect for yourself to report your problem and not be complicit in illegal activities and engaging in hurting children. The psychological and medical fields WILL do what they can for you, and importantly you'll be managed in a way that aims to protect those around you, from you.

I don't disagree with your premise here in theory but, in practical terms, how would that work? If there are in fact millions of pedophiles actively seeking out child pornography, and likely tens of millions of people with otherwise pedophilic tendencies.

We can't just remove tens of millions of people from society - like, best case scenario, that's a social and economic nightmare. There aren't enough doctors and officers to keep track of them.

If your logic is that "removing one from society is better than removing one" then I suppose it works but it's such a drop in the bucket.

 

[Izuna]

"internal" to what? It was from the US government or something?

No clue. Dunno how I would find such a post again.

I'm starting to think there are WAY more pedophiles out there than we truly realize. Like, it could possibly be a fairly high % of the population. The worst thing a pedophile can do is act on their urges and sexually assault children. Fortunately, only a small % of pedophiles do that ( but its still way too big of a number, whatever it is). A much higher % of pedophiles get their fix with child pornography, like this darknet site that was taken down.

However, Daniel Tosh recently did a segment on his show that made me realize the problem is much worse, and there may be an even greater number of pedophiles out there who aren't having sex with children or watching child pornography due to fears of being caught or whatever their reasons may be, BUT they are getting their fix on youtube channels featuring young girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgauA089Ok

I think Daniel Tosh is on to something. No way does a video featuring several unknown girls get the majority of their 100million+ views from kids their age. Youtube, as well as the owner of the channel, get sent viewer age demographic information so they know exactly how old their audience is. I would be shocked if the average viewer age was below 18. More than likely the 35+ age demo is whats getting that channel the most clicks.

While Youtube has spent the last couple of months demonetizing alt-right and offensive content, I really think they should take a hard look at channels like the one Tosh exposed and shutting those down.

Perhaps there's a small number that are rapists. Which alludes to the fact that the many don't need some "outlet" to not hurt kids, and suggestions to make robots or legalise cartoon content is complete utter bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if each person asking for such a thing are suspect.

As for the channel you mentioned, that's basically what the idol industry in Japan is. Alongside maid cafes and shit.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

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Izuna made a good point on the Idols in Japan.

But yeah... Don't even need a channel like this, some kid sets up a YT channel, just something innocuous and the creepers will come out and it just gets worse from there if it's a kid that's seeking attention.

Shit, anyone remember the days of Yahoo chat rooms through YIM? They got so bad with the predators/hardcore pervs hunting for underage users with webcams that they had to disable custom rooms, that moved people into other rooms but the place was packed with mostly men from various parts of the world preying on girls and in some cases attempting to blackmail. It's gotten exponentially worse since first from defunct sites like Stickam to now with things like Periscope, Snapchat, probably Instagram too and whatever else is out there due everyone having a camera and parents handing their kids smart phones without a second thought. I figured tmy generation would be more on top of the whole keeping a vigilant watch over kids when they're using the internet since many of us in our teen/preteen years witnessed this stuff first hand in its infancy but it doesn't seem that way. Of course at that time we weren't as glued to the internet.

 

[cpp_is_king]

The girls in those videos looked like they were like 7-10. Are the JP idols that young? I thought they were like 15-17. Gross either way, mind you.

 

[Izuna]

The girls in those videos looked like they were like 7-10. Are the JP idols that young? I thought they were like 15-17. Gross either way, mind you.

Short answer

there's a genre specifically called "under 15"

and imho anime or not, it's just as fucked