7Th said:sugoi monogatari, aniki
When have they been a good thing?Nuclear Muffin said:Also why are handheld RPGs a bad thing now?
How is FFXIII a retreate? I haven't played the game yet but it seems to take the franchise in the right direction imo.Kaijima said:The one console game they released that breached expectations was FFXII - and predictably the otaku and Final Fantasy fetishists recoiled in horror. The game still sold well; over four million copies or something. But rather than forge ahead and work on expanding their audience using FFXII as a foothold, Square has retreated in panic with FFXIII and their other games.
The right direction is stripping everything out of the game but the battles and cut-scenes?M°°nblade said:How is FFXIII a retreate? I haven't played the game yet but it seems to take the franchise in the right direction imo.
Segata Sanshiro said:The right direction is stripping everything out of the game but the battles and cut-scenes?
Sounds awesome. They should have dumped the towns in FFX as well as they were boring and useless.Segata Sanshiro said:The right direction is stripping everything out of the game but the battles and cut-scenes?
Segata Sanshiro said:The right direction is stripping everything out of the game but the battles and cut-scenes?
Alrighty then. Different strokes for different folks and all, but I couldn't feel more differently.M°°nblade said:Sounds awesome. They should have dumped the towns in FFX as well as they were boring and useless.
And yes, I mean that.
Yes. Except if you have any tanks. You can keep them in. Tanks are good.Segata Sanshiro said:The right direction is stripping everything out of the game but the battles and cut-scenes?
:lol7Th said:sugoi monogatari, aniki
Only Wii sells more software than DS.Jcgamer60 said:Hardware sales don't always translate into software sales.
I understand your point but if there are no shops and no inns, they might as well cut them out entirely instead of keeping them in the game for the sake of tradition or being an RPG or something like that.Segata Sanshiro said:Alrighty then. Different strokes for different folks and all, but I couldn't feel more differently.
I think having towns enriches the world of the game and can do a lot to really establish the setting. One of FFX's strongest points were its towns and settlements, not because there were items to find or shops to hit, but because it really helped "sell" Spira.M°°nblade said:I understand your point but if there are no shops and no inns, they might as well cut them out entirely instead of keeping them in the game for the sake of tradition or being an RPG or something like that.
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A Twisty Fluken said:Off topic, I have to think that this will be localized, given that Ghibli's name actually carries some weight in America thanks to the oscar attention given to Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle. Purely speculation, of course, it just seems like an opportunity that someone will jump on.
NeonZ said:I think the main problem with JRPGs this gen (in consoles) was the lack of big title released only one or two years after the beginning of the generation.
That game would drive sales and, eventually, some peoplemight buy other similar games after they're finished with the main title. There was no new highly sucessful RPG franchise and FFXIII just took too long.
7Th said:sugoi monogatari, aniki
I too am shocked that there exists more ipods and cellphones than DSs. Its almost as if people us ipods and cellphones for something other than playing videogames!A quick look around on local public transportation will show that most Americans are far more likely to be fondling a cell device or an iPhone/iPod during their idle moments than a Nintendo DS.
So people can classify JRPGs as never changing, because when they do change, they just name it something else.Chozo said:Um...why?
pancakesandsex said:"The anime and manga bubble has burst." - Completely irrelevant. The anime market's performance has no correlation to the performance of jrpgs whatsoever... The overlap between anime viewers and jrpg players is tenuous at best, which further puts into question why he even brought this up.
pancakesandsex said:"Grown-ups don't like kids stuff." - This sentiment reeks of a writer far too influenced by his industry peers. Not every genre needs to grow up with you.
lucablight said:Also personally I would categorise strategy rpgs in a whole different category.
:lol :lol7Th said:sugoi monogatari, aniki
From what I've heard, FFXIII resorts to an in-game encyclopedia to build its world. That's lazy and ineffective, iin my opinion.
discoalucard said:I disagree. There's a huge overlap in the art style and storytelling techniques in anime/manga and JRPGs, and their fanbases definitely do overlap. And while it's hard to measure, I don't think that saying that the manga/anime audience has decreased is that crazy either. I think the same thing happened with JRPGs - people grew up, the media didn't grow up along with them, and they gave up.
WRPGs can target older gamers, why is it such a problem with JRPGs? The demand is obviously there, otherwise people wouldn't bother complaining about it. The "Well, that's where their market is" is an apologist attitude.
I really don't think the article is bad at all, but this sort of overreaction is typical. The only thing I don't care for is its sensationalist title, because it's hardly dying, but it is shrinking. Otherwise most of the ideas are pretty sound. The fact that people are listing DS titles as evidence that the genre is alive and healthy perfectly points out the problem - portable platforms are still ultimately viewed as for kids, and it's always going to feel like a step backward compared to console games. Until console development ramps up (if it ever does), this attitude is going to persist.
discoalucard said:The fact that people are listing DS titles as evidence that the genre is alive and healthy perfectly points out the problem - portable platforms are still ultimately viewed as for kids, and it's always going to feel like a step backward compared to console games.
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There's a huge overlap in the art style and storytelling techniques in anime/manga and JRPGs
Segata Sanshiro said:Telling JRPG developers that they need to stop targeting their products at teenage boys is a bit like telling a toy company they need to make action figures for grown-ups. You aren't the most important demographic anymore, guys... deal with it.
Segata Sanshiro said:From what I've heard, FFXIII resorts to an in-game encyclopedia to build its world. That's lazy and ineffective, iin my opinion.
Yeah, this. (Except for Persona 4 )Kittonwy said:The problem is that Japanese RPG publishers are trying to bridge the western markets with the Japanese market, and they can't do that while still pushing teenage RPGs.
Zuhzuhzombie!! said:Someone really doesn't think there's an overlap with Anime and JRPGs?
REALLY?
Gravijah said:I DO NOT REMEMBER 10 YEARS AGO HAVING AN RPG ABOUT A SCHOOL FOR ALCHEMISTS!
When was this announced?ethelred said:Inazuma Eleven (getting an English localization next year)
pancakesandsex said:"The anime and manga bubble has burst." - Completely irrelevant. The anime market's performance has no correlation to the performance of jrpgs whatsoever. The reason the anime bubble burst was because people could no longer be suckered into paying 30$ a disc for 2 hours of cartoons. High speed penetration increased the ease of access to pirated content, which was already a cornerstone of US fandom through fansubs. People are still watching, they just aren't paying for it. The overlap between anime viewers and jrpg players is tenuous at best, which further puts into question why he even brought this up.
elbkhm said:JRPGs are dead on consoles. 2010 we're looking at what? Final Fantasy XIII, End of Eternity, and some ps3 ports of 360 games? Ugh.
For people who don't like portables, the author is right on the money.
pancakesandsex said:What the writer of the article is implying is that anime dvd and manga graphic novel sales being in the shitter has some effect on the jrpg market because they look similar. This is false, the people who buy anime dvds and the people who buy jrpgs do not overlap that much. Discoalucard has reading comprehension issues so he took it to mean that I don't think they share artistic similarities, which I never said.
cosmicblizzard said:Ar Tonelico 3, Atelier Rorona, White Knight Chronicles, Arc Rise Fantasia, Last Rebellion, Tales of Graces (possibly). Then there's the Atlus PS360 game and that Suikoden trademark. Yeah, it's still not at the level it once was, but it is making a comeback.