Blackleg-sanji1
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Lol why would they split it up so much? Learning tho I noticed the graphics looked bad one time and I laughed becahaf popped into my head when I noticed. It was the chocobo ranch racing
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Final Fantasy XV Hands-On Demo (Chapter 0-3) Previews
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The source is literally at end of the youtube video that the person you quoted was quoting.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3eq8eou6c
orthodoxy1095
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And that source is literally a joke.
YankeeDonB
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I believe Tabata said something like 100 hours if you try and do everything. Don't remember 200 hours coming up....
xion4360
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Kind of wish the would release a couple cuts that are all ps4 and all xbox. but i could simply cut the video myself...actually i think im going to do just that. Ill post them when they are done.
chozen
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Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
They look impressive due to their size, (especially that titan, leviathan, and bird thing), but we're talking about something that's feasible on console vs. something that isn't for obvious reasons. I never stated that the creatures didn't look impressive.
50 hours for the main story + 100 / 150 for the side content.
FalsettoVibe
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NoctisVsStar
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In terms of clearing the main story, were anticipating about 40 to 50 hours of gameplay, so there will be that at the very least. But there are a lot of side quests and extra stuff. With that alone, were looking at about 100 hours of gameplay. So if you count all of that, were looking at about 200 hours total if you clear everything. Fans have been waiting for quite a while, so we want to make sure there is a lot to enjoy when its out.
Read more at http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...ll-include-story-content/#S2t1FRYe4GcZemcl.99
orthodoxy1095
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Nice GIF copy m8. Gr8 fanvid too, really shows me what to be excited for in the game.
I mean status effects? I had no idea! Hooooo boy. I was on the fence, but am I on that hype train now! CHOOCHOOOOOOOO.
YankeeDonB
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Ah, was that it?
I can easily believe it. I think I've put 200+ hours into W3 by this point, and we know the landmass is far less....
Edit, right:
Blackleg-sanji1
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Sweeeeet!! I'm ready
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's so much more demanding that it literally isn't possible on consoles atm. That fact alone should tell you why. Size isn't the single factor which determines how demanding an object is in-game.
chozen
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Being this triggered
YankeeDonB
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Aren't "graphically demanding" and "complicated and a huge pain in the ass to implement w/out breaking the rest of the game" two separate factors?
If it's not difficult to implement Titan or Adamantoise type enemies into open world console games, why hasn't it been done?
Not saying it isn't difficult, but Shadow of the Colossus?
At this point, people should just expect polish to mean "better framerate at the expense of all other visual qualities.", because that's what the last few months of polish have led to.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
In this case it's both. The way the hair is rendered with hairworks in W3 is to be blunt, incredibly graphically demanding. No one said that it wasn't difficult to implement a titan or an Adamantoise, most devs don't because that's not what they're going for in terms of fantasy.
YankeeDonB
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I'm not sure anyone here explicitly said it's not difficult. But this long-running on and off again argument seems to bubble up when someone says something like "OK, XV may not be graphically that polished, but look at these huge impressive creatures, that's part of the tradeoff!"
PSY・S;214099836 said:
Ah, sweet sweet SotC. Yeah, that game was pretty amazing, although we seem to have another order of scale here, in a much busier and bigger world.
MultiJhonny
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PSY・S;214099836 said:
I would love to see a SotC remake on modern hardware....
That's what happened with Duscae as well, but then Duscae itself saw visual and performance upgrades.
Death Penalty
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Man I had a really different experience from you. With a melee weapon I found myself a lot more vulnerable in the air. The shuriken was somewhat different I'll concede. The thing is you don't get much in the way of a benefit from the shuriken by attacking in the air, and it makes the already MP intensive royal arm a lot more MP intensive. The invincibility frames on the aerial flips and backflips are also really finnicky, due in large part to the fact that they don't seem to have animation canceling like the defend command on the ground (though it, too, is temperamental). The ranged component makes it easier to avoid damage, it's true, and you can just straight up position yourself out of the iron giant's reach to cheese him down which is nice but seems specific to the shuriken and isn't a great case for aerial combat with other weapons.
I can also confirm that you don't do more damage in the air, as I paid strong attention to that, though the shuriken does seem to do differing damage based on distance.
MegaSackman
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Do you realize that FFX has like 10hs of wedding plot and a journey to gather summons and still people love that game, right?
I don't like FFX but you could diminish every story in existence if you want, try with The Last of Us.
I don't like FFX but you could diminish every story in existence if you want, try with The Last of Us.
chozen
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I heard about this too someone at GC said in the tree it was called "diffusion warp"
Mister Megative
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So is the implication it's running better on PS4? Could account for the odd dips in quality throughout.
Just came in to say that im really really looking forward to play a new Final Fantasy adventure no matter if my tatsty road trip burger has two or three less Pixels then in witcher 3 or GTA or whatever. And a big thank you to the hard working Square Enix crew. You guys must have been through a lot.
There's one part where the XBOX version is in Duscae, and then it suddenly changes to the PS4 version. It made some differences really clear, such as the XBOX version missing AO on the grass.
I mean, the main reason why I explored air combat a lot is because I think it's cool, so I don't really disagree with you that it lacks real incentives to go that route. Attacking like a mad man and switching to shield to parry-stun the enemy is so OP that you don't really need anything else in the Platinum Demo, but I find that a bit boring. I do enjoy the MP management aspect a lot, though, it's a nice focus when execution isn't really a factor like it would be in a character action game. I'm spamming my aerial attacks and I notice I'm about to run out of MP, instead of just warping to a safe spot and waiting, I switch to the shuriken, warp strike the giant, since he's weak to it and get stunned for a long time, and use the great sword for a while, since it builds your MP in huge chunks.
But just the fact that you have to go through that trouble just to make it more fun already supports that it wasn't very well balanced torwards it.
But I'm guessing the final game will make it more useful in certain situations by using the level design in clever ways and some unique battles, like that air fight segment against the Dragoon in the Uncovered trailer.
Even the new Zelda has those. I'm not a fan either, but definitely not a deal breaker for me.
I think there should be ways to gear Noctis towards being more MP heavy with the skill tree, so I'm not worried at all about stuff like that.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Only thing I had a problem with combat wise was magic. My aim was terrible but I also didn't know being locked on automatically has you throw it in that direction
Death Penalty
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Oh damn, you really explored the depth of the combat, as much or more than I did. The bolded was my experience as well, and I found the shield a deeply satisfying addition thanks to it. I really get what you're saying about aerial combat, and I think you're right. In the long run its greatest utility will be letting us fight enemies or weak points we couldn't otherwise reach, which isn't well demonstrated by the iron giant who is not tall enough and cannot fly. I just wish that it didn't have such a steep MP cost since tactically there's not much in the way of a reason to use it at this stage against any enemy you can fight with your feet on the ground. You lose a lot more options than you gain and I'd prefer a balance.
...You already mentioned that though so I'm just rambling. It's better to have this aerial combat system than no option at all. I don't like feeling as though my feet are glued to the ground in action games.
It's not just you, the aiming is absolutely terrible. Very clunky. I used the lock on and fling option several times and it doesn't really help. Even the iron giant is fast enough that he moves out of the area before your spell goes off roughly half the time. I'm guessing party members distracting enemies will really help, but I'd kill for spells that "stuck" to the enemy like they do in Kingdom Hearts games.
Hentailover
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For as much as I'd love for every game to have a well balanced in detail dialogue that explains your directions and what you need to do in such a detail, you don't need those, it's a pipe dream these days, with all the voice acting and other stuff they need to worry about.
And if we just remove those while keeping dialogue the same way it is, it'd be impossible to even understnad what the quest wants from you most of the time. It's like playing Skyrim without quest markers. Game simply doesn't provide you with other sources of information to accomodate lack of markers, like, say, morrowind with it's in-detail directions from npcs, does.
WickedLaharl
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fantasy
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Damn that is sad
reality
Damn that is sad
Mister Megative
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This is an odd choice. I skimmed through the video again, noted the timestamps, and the game very noticeably runs/looks better on PS4. Why not just run with the version that demos best?
The only reason quest markers and even worse those prompts are in the game is to facilitate mass production of generic quests. there's no point to having this stuff if the world and story progression are well designed.
go to this place, kill # of these mobs, talk to that person blablabla. can't believe this is what has become of this series.
imo quest markers is one of the worst things that ever happend to games. it invalidates the entire concept of "open world". designers who use them should feel ashamed.
xion4360
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i cut the video to just the ps4 footage.. ill put it up on youtube when its done.
fantasy
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Damn that is sad
Why are you comparing clear footage with shitty, blurry ass footage?
That is true, it's an RPG after all, no matter how flashy combat may look, so improving your stats and build will probably have a big impact on your playstyle.
I hate the way magic works in this game, really hate, it's so boring.
Which is a shame, I love the environmental effects it has, but using it is just... meh.
The one aspect of Versus' combat from 2011 that I still think is better than what we have in the final game is magic, it seemed much more like, you know, magic, than this grenade bullshit.
Oh yeah, I think I sounded like a shield hater now, but it's actually really cool, it's so satisfying to land a parry with it, I love it! What makes it boring to me is that it's a tad too strong, at least against that particular enemy. If they find a fun balance with enemies' strenghts and weaknesses, it might actually get quite complex and fun to juggle all of the options and remember to switch to that playstyle when fighting only that particular kind of enemy, and doing so against something not as weak to it would get your ass kicked. That could be a blast.
Any other game I'd say it's madness to try to analyze and understand the combat system when you can only fight one fucking enemy, but we've been waiting for so long that I can't help but overthink every tiny bit of gameplay I can get my hands on.
EDIT: And flying enemies??? HGGGGNNNNN, that shit would be amazing to fight against. Please, S-E!
Probably some comarketing agreement? Or just being honest about the product and showing both versions for what they are.
Honestly if they had a time machine SE would probably excise the XBox version from existence.
Mister Megative
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Awesome! Link me when it's up! Would be interesting to have a comparison video with Xbox footage.
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