Luminoth-4545
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It is on PS4 as well, my mistake i forgot. However likely the majority was on PS5 i suspect, even though the install base is much smaller the PS5 is the better place to play and where all the hype was.
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European video game and hardware sales for June 2023 - PS5#1 NSW#2 XBS#3 | Diablo IV#1 FFXVI#2 FIFA 23#3
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Myths
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Nobody buying that shit lmao
Luminoth-4545
Member
They don't anymore, Nintendo show how much software they bundle in their yearly report and in the last 2 years it is very low. Only 1.25 million bundled software was sold last fiscal year out of 213.96 million and only 1.5 million out of 235.07 million the fiscal year before that. Bundled software figure given at the bottom of each chart.You forget that Nintendo bundles everything or you think Wii Sports sold well?
Paulistano
Member
I'm not even from europe...They don't anymore, Nintendo show how much software they bundle in their yearly report and in the last 2 years it is very low. Only 1.25 million bundled software was sold last fiscal year out of 213.96 million and only 1.5 million out of 235.07 million the fiscal year before that. Bundled software figure given at the bottom of each chart.
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look at this, so.. many... bundles...
blacktout
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I'm not even from europe...
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look at this, so.. many... bundles...
He provided concrete, irrefutable sales data. If you want to know how many units of bundled software Nintendo sells, it's right there. I have no clue what you think linking to random retail listings proves, but it definitely doesn't trump hard data directly from Nintendo themselves.
Paulistano
Member
They are selling a mario bundle there with a "free game", the model isn't a bundle but I think it is, it won't show on their fancy paper.
Without concrete evidence we can only assume Ragnarok had an install base of 150 million PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5 console owners to work with, no matter the overlap.
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Hardensoul
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Those aren't official console bundles, they are retailer bundles. Those games aren't even pack in. Most of those bundles are Fortnite currency cards.I'm not even from europe...
GAME | Consoles & Games
The UK's leading games retailer with great deals on video games, consoles, accessories and more. Plus earn 1% of your purchase value back in Reward Points with a GAME Reward account.
look at this, so.. many... bundles...
Captain Toad
Banned
It was turn-based up to the first PS2 game. Every game since then has not been turn-based, including the subsequent two PS2 games.
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Hardensoul
Member
I'm not strictly talking about turn based being same from FFI game to FFXV. Of course the turned based game play has evolved. I have not play FFXVI but from what I see and read about, it's the first game without any turn based elements.
Captain Toad
Banned
How does XI, XII, XIV or XV have turn-based elements?
You still can cast magic, use summon abilities, potions, etc. None of the Final Fantasy games after X have been turn-based, with XIII being the only one to come close.
MacReady13
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European GSD June 2023 Top 10 (Digital + Physical)
Position Title 1 Diablo 4 (Activision Blizzard) 2 Final Fantasy 16 (Square Enix) 3 FIFA 23 (EA) 4 The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (Nintendo)* 5 Grand Theft Auto 5 (Rockstar) 6 F1 23 (EA) 7 Hogwarts Legacy (Warner Bros) 8 Red Dead Redemption 2 (Rockstar) 9 Street Fighter 6 (Capcom) 10 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
European video game sales in June jump 20% thanks to Diablo 4 | European Monthly Charts
15.5 million games were sold across Europe last month, according to the latest GSD data. This data covers digital games…www.gamesindustry.biz
Can't say I'm entirely surprised but I'd love to know the ONLY figure that counts- how many hours were people playing games on the no.1 subscription service- the mighty GAME PASS?! We get that metric correct then sales numbers of games means nothing! Who makes money off selling games today???
Fredrik
Member
Octopath is a relatively new IP, and the budget is small and it’s on Switch, can’t be compared to what’s going on with Final Fantasy or Baldur’s Gate in any way.
I think you will see soon that turn based combat is not pushing people away.
BG3 comes out in 2 weeks on PC, the hype is real, Fextralife thought it would be the GOTY, it could without exaggeration end up as the highest rated RPG this year.
And BG3 comes out on september 6 on PS5, same day as Starfield, as a console-exclusive since it was delayed to an unknown date on Xbox.
You don’t think Playstation-only gamers will play that if it reviews well and people say it deserve the GOTY award?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
MS saw this coming and realized they needed to make BIG moves. So they spent $80 billion to fix the issue. Time will tell if that will work or not.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes, because their appeal and strength can fade relatively quickly if you start stripping the biggest third party publishers away (buying them and making content exclusive, see Starfield 10+ Million copies loss as yet another example that losing money in the short term is secondary to the greater goal/thought experiment of outspending your competitor out of business). On top of that, using an enormous war chest obtained in other monopolies (or monopoly like strongholds) to finance a massive subscription market that destroys perceived game value (Activision-Blizzard’s CEO testified it, MS had previously also hinted at that, all of it giving credibility to Ryan’s claim about the effects of day and date GamePass releases) nudges people more and more not to buy content (which is already happening on Xbox to a degree)… when your games make money based on time people play them for (GamePass revenue share must have something like this) and micro transactions … games and game design changes too.
Again… thoughts experiments…
MrTired
Member
Is that going to fix or exasperate the issue further? Is CoD going into gamepass the inflection point for the industry that I suspect Microsoft is hoping for?
This tweet from Ex Head of Microsoft France was eye opening. It quite a substantial read, would encourage people to give it a read
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Fredrik
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Can? In theory, yes. But is it likely that Xbox would suddenly take over everywhere on the planet? No. Tbh it wouldn’t happen during our lifetime even with full exclusivity on everything including CoD and Minecraft.
PS5 is 2:1 ahead world wide but the US and UK are driving those numbers up for MS, it’s worse if you look into other markets. Much much worse. Not quite ”What’s an Xbox?” but at some areas it’s not far off. And this is before looking into the S/X split which go for different consumers and before the PS5 Pro and Slim which will increase the lead Sony have.
The reality is that MS has completely failed this generation. Anyone who truly think competition is a good thing should be thankful that MS is actually trying to do something about it instead of just giving up and make this gen their last which the numbers probably show that they should do.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Problem is for Sony to justify staying in the console business if the profit margins started to become razor thin and lower… which may be MS strategy: “regulators will let us do it, we will just spend enough know, and make tons of profits later once we have a devs to monopoly”).
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Something should be done, this is something, so this is good is a well know fallacy too.
Competition is working fine unless you think the the deserving player is not winning. When you deal with a massive corporation vs a much smaller one it is healthy if the smaller corporation wins big, it is the entire point one could say. The current market is a healthy market not because who is on too but how and why they are and got on top.
MS also could spend money to grow and manage their studios or decide to spend Sony out of business, they are choosing the latter and that is what I have a problem with.
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Hardensoul
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It was a broad statement. FF11 and FF14 are MMOs, they obviously will have less turn based due to nature of that genre. FF15(did not play) I had forgotten it was first fully action based from what I’ve seen and talked about.
FF12 is turn based and why not also mention FF13 which is also turn base?
Is there even money to be made with a subscription model that kills game sales? People say that games are different than movies and tv shows because you can sell DLC etc but I know I'm not buying DLC for games I don't own.
Hardensoul
Member
How does that work? If the game is taken off Gamepass and you bought dlc.
Can you buy the dlc when it’s on Gamepass?
kazuyamishima
Member
Some people reckon $220m budget for games that sell 15m units or more are not sustainable/profitable, but Gamepass is.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Um, what?
Hudo
Member
It's actually real-time with pause. And the only game with RTwP where I actually have fun in combat.
Madflavor
Member
Turn Based Combat, at least as we know it in the classic sense, ended after FFX. Afterward SE wouldn't stop experimenting with new combat systems for each new entry.
FFI - FFX they kept evolving Turn Based Combat.
FFXII - FFXVI they keep experimenting with new combat systems.
Make sense?
I would not consider anything Post-FFX to be Turn Based Combat. There are elements of ATB in some of these games, such as FFXIII, but they tried marrying ATB with Real Time Combat. We haven't had pure Turn Based since the Bush Administration. And no I don't think bringing Final Fantasy back to Turn Based Combat is going to make them great again, nor will suddenly make them sell a lot better. 3 Million Units shipped and sold is not a "flop", and it's dumb the narrative some people are trying to spin like it is. Resident Evil 4 Remake sold around 3 million units when it released, on a much larger install base, but you didn't see a bunch of people trying to claim that was a flop.
FFI - FFX they kept evolving Turn Based Combat.
FFXII - FFXVI they keep experimenting with new combat systems.
Make sense?
I would not consider anything Post-FFX to be Turn Based Combat. There are elements of ATB in some of these games, such as FFXIII, but they tried marrying ATB with Real Time Combat. We haven't had pure Turn Based since the Bush Administration. And no I don't think bringing Final Fantasy back to Turn Based Combat is going to make them great again, nor will suddenly make them sell a lot better. 3 Million Units shipped and sold is not a "flop", and it's dumb the narrative some people are trying to spin like it is. Resident Evil 4 Remake sold around 3 million units when it released, on a much larger install base, but you didn't see a bunch of people trying to claim that was a flop.
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Hardensoul
Member
Fun is subjective to each players taste.
But FF12 is a similar to turn base, it feels like it gives you so much time to react. Don’t have to have twitch reaction like out right action of FF16.
I can’t speak for all players that like to turn base but when I play these types of game I like the casual feel of taking my time to go through fights. Don’t want to constantly do quick twitch reactions like action games!
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Capitan Todd
I’m not going to debate history of each combat in FF. FF is moving away from the type of genre that I enjoyed. I like action games. But call it something else FF action with new continuation numbers.But to continue with same sequential number is misleading, I didn’t like it when the MMO were FF11 and FF14. It made no sense!
Microsoft has been trying since 1999 to spend Sony out of the business, shortly after cutting off Netscape's “air supply”.
Microsoft tried to buy Nintendo in 1999
Robbie Bach: "Xbox lost five to seven billion dollars during its four-year life"
Xbox 360 'red ring of death' costs Microsoft more than $1B (Jul 2007)
Microsoft will cut the price of Xbox 360 by about 13 percent in the United States (Aug 2007)
Microsoft had only one shot, the PS3 era, and they blew it.
PlayStation is the only business that lost billions competing with Microsoft, lived to tell the story, and found a way to claw back its top spot in the US and UK, they key markets for Microsoft.
Microsoft is playing the long game, but they could never have imagined that:
-PS5 is outselling Xbox Series 2-to-1 in both the US and UK during 2023
-Sony Group is reaping record profits
-Sony weighing a partial spinoff of financial services
-B2P and live service games dominate over subs
-It will take 2 years to complete ABK acquisition and 10 years to take full control of COD
Disney, the biggest and most admired entertainment company in the world, acquired Marvel, Lucasfilm and 21st Century Fox for $80 billion.
Disney is facing an existential crisis after being deemed unstoppable.
Good management always triumphs over money.
DownTheRabbitHole
Neo Member
How long before Xbox are just selling controllers
