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Does the possibility of extraterrestrials existing and visiting us scare you and why?
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rofif
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Don't believe the mummies bullshit. It's the same fake hand made crap made by the mexican hoaxer.
Fantastic Debunking video here. he showed the same "dolls" 2 years ago.
Fake and gay. I dont get how goverment is taking this shit. It makes them look bad
The video is terrible but has very good bones comparisons
about 7min into the vid, the good stuff starts. The bodies are hand crafter from broken bones of children or something similar.
And the head is actually a skull of alpaca backwards lol
Fantastic Debunking video here. he showed the same "dolls" 2 years ago.
Fake and gay. I dont get how goverment is taking this shit. It makes them look bad
The video is terrible but has very good bones comparisons
about 7min into the vid, the good stuff starts. The bodies are hand crafter from broken bones of children or something similar.
And the head is actually a skull of alpaca backwards lol
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FunkMiller
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22:22:22
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In case you want more excitment.. Tomorrow Sept 14, NASA is set to release a report on UAP produced out of the new team they setup almost a year ago.
NASA: Mexico set the bar can you beat it
Ahh NASA
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
22:22:22
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Imagine clicking on that clown thinking you're getting some good content ffs lol
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
I guess it's all relative. I guess.
If an idiot only is aware of 30% of what he's saying, the crowd that only understands 10% will think the dude is a genius, and the people who know 70% will think the man a fool.
I guess no one is truly stupid so long as they realize the depth of their ignorance and always strive to learn more.
But also, yeah, dude looks like a helmet.
22:22:22
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I appreciate your kind perspective/approach.
That's indeed the case. Well said.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
from reddit translation:
Translations from what I considered noteworthy -Theres a literal fuckload of details given, the body sections at 3hrs in is just a nonstop barrage of their anatomy.
The anatomy portion was spoken in a personal capacity by Dr. Jose Salce Benitez who had 30 years in the Mexican Navy, currently the director of the Navy's Scientific Health Institute and was at one point the director of the Navy's Medical Forensic Service.
- Bodies covered in a diatomic white powder that granted desiccation for extreme natural preservation, was carbon14 dated to: very fkn old (around 1000y)
- Tridactyl (3 fingers 3 toes) no carpals or tarsals with fingers going straight to armbones. I had a hard time with some specifics around here but they cannot grip thumb-wise and as such have to wrap their fingies around objects
- Circular, complete and continuous ribs, having around 14
- Deep/concave cervical spine (neckbones) with other features hinting that the head is retractable similar to turtles
- Strong but very light bone structure much like a bird
- Pneumatized (air/gas formed) cranial cavity, making a large space for oversized brain matter
- Orthopedic implants perfectly fused with skin and bone, composed of what we consider metals for spacing structures and equipment such as cadmium & osmium
- Ocular orbits very broad granting wide field of vision
- A jaw joint, but no teeth. They could swallow foods but not chew
- Spine connects to the center of cranial floor, a rarity that does not occur in primates who have a rear position
- Intact oviducts (fallopian tubes) containing eggs, alleges this is impossible to falsify
- Very broad range of motion in their shoulder joints
- Specimen have intact fingerprints, that are linear and horizontal as opposed to a human's circular prints
- Unique DNA not matching over a million existing sequences. 70% similar to known DNA, 30% unknown. For relevance, lists that humans are less than %5 different to primates and 15% to bacteria meaning the 30% or more the specimen contain is far outside terrestrial parameters
- In summary, the bodies are a non-human species presenting irrefutable differences to written biology/ taxonomy of the evolutionary tree with 0 common ancestors or descendants
That all sounds way too good to be true. I'm going to need this checked out by other scientists before I believe this. If all the above was 100% confirmed to be real then it would be the biggest scientific discovery ever. However, at the moment I'm very skeptical.
I have no idea that that is, but it's not a mutated chicken. Probably a fake. A very good fake, but still a fake.
Romulus
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Agreed, but I wonder if any of them are real though and we just don't know what we're looking at.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Somewhere on K2B-15435 the Norglumauts are fiddling their antenna and clenching their butt mandibles ESP-typing on the water vapor equivalent of the internet about how the JWT is undeniable proof of humans.
I_D
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No I didn't, and no they won't.
I appreciate your optimism, and I wish it was true because I also like being optimistic, but it isn't.
The laws of physics have nothing to do with technology. Objects that contain matter cannot move the speed of light, and definitely not faster.
It already takes light, the fastest thing in the universe, years to reach objects across space.
There is simply no way for humans to leave this solar system, unless we're talking hundreds and hundreds of generations of people aboard such a ship; and that ship would have to be larger than all of the ships we've ever made, combined. And if you think that's actually an option, then I dunno what to tell you, other than that you're wrong.
You are currently displaying a form of the Optimism Bias, which is a very common mistake. I fall for it all the time, myself.
To assume that the future will be better, more advanced, calmer, more peaceful, etc. is all illogical.
There is no reason to assume the future will be any better than life is now. History has made it pretty clear that we will continue to abuse each other until the Nth-year.
In fact, based on how our recent decade has gone, I'd wager it's far more likely that the future will be much worse than what we experience today (unless some pretty insane revolutions take place).
I'd even say that it's unlikely humans will even exist in a few-thousand years. We'll almost-certainly have rendered our planet uninhabitable far before such a date even occurs.
You are correct that technology will improve, and scientific understanding will improve. That part is obvious.
But it doesn't matter how much money and science we throw at a problem, if that problem is trying to overcome something that is impossible.
You can come up with all kinds of sci-fi types of solutions, such as FTL, or wormholes, or whatever you want.
But again, you're talking about unachievable levels of energy. Even most stars can barely achieve the necessary requirements to warp spacetime.
These kinds of 'solutions' simply aren't real.
The best thing we can hope for is to send out non-living machines into space, so they can broadcast information back to us.
Mind you, that will still take dozens/hundreds/thousands of years, depending on how far we send them.
Side-note: I do, genuinely, appreciate that nobody responded to my original post with that obviously-fake Mexican alien stuff that just popped into the news.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
So has the subjugation started where you guys are at? We've had a small platoon drop off near Pittsburgh, but it seems like they have a hard time standing up when the wind blows. I punched a couple in the 3'3" face, but then they just collapse on the ground and make their heads go into their chests. Pretty lame. Didn't even need to draw my obsidian katana.
Romulus
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No I didn't, and no they won't.
I appreciate your optimism, and I wish it was true because I also like being optimistic, but it isn't.
The laws of physics have nothing to do with technology. Objects that contain matter cannot move the speed of light, and definitely not faster.
It already takes light, the fastest thing in the universe, years to reach objects across space.
There is simply no way for humans to leave this solar system, unless we're talking hundreds and hundreds of generations of people aboard such a ship; and that ship would have to be larger than all of the ships we've ever made, combined. And if you think that's actually an option, then I dunno what to tell you, other than that you're wrong.
You are currently displaying a form of the Optimism Bias, which is a very common mistake. I fall for it all the time, myself.
To assume that the future will be better, more advanced, calmer, more peaceful, etc. is all illogical.
There is no reason to assume the future will be any better than life is now. History has made it pretty clear that we will continue to abuse each other until the Nth-year.
In fact, based on how our recent decade has gone, I'd wager it's far more likely that the future will be much worse than what we experience today (unless some pretty insane revolutions take place).
I'd even say that it's unlikely humans will even exist in a few-thousand years. We'll almost-certainly have rendered our planet uninhabitable far before such a date even occurs.
You are correct that technology will improve, and scientific understanding will improve. That part is obvious.
But it doesn't matter how much money and science we throw at a problem, if that problem is trying to overcome something that is impossible.
You can come up with all kinds of sci-fi types of solutions, such as FTL, or wormholes, or whatever you want.
But again, you're talking about unachievable levels of energy. Even most stars can barely achieve the necessary requirements to warp spacetime.
These kinds of 'solutions' simply aren't real.
The best thing we can hope for is to send out non-living machines into space, so they can broadcast information back to us.
Mind you, that will still take dozens/hundreds/thousands of years, depending on how far we send them.
Side-note: I do, genuinely, appreciate that nobody responded to my original post with that obviously-fake Mexican alien stuff that just popped into the news.
You do realize the best scientists on the planet said that breaking the sound barrier was impossible right? And that even flight itself was impossible due to being "heavier than air"? It's not limited to that, but continue believing that because you are alive in this instant every challenge science-related is concrete and will never be solved. You're a mayfly caught in a very short instant with a lack of perspective. I can't possibly theorize how vast distances will be traveled and its very likely that faster-than-light travel as we know won't be achieved in conventional brute force means, but I have millions of years of evolution and advancement on my side. Not to mention, AI will likely be magnitudes smarter than we will ever be in 50 years and be assisting us with everything, including physics that don't have to be revised or rewritten every 100 years.
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Muffdraul
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I totally believe there must be extra terrestrial life out there.
But I'm fine with the idea that the universe is so unfathomably, unbelievably vast that even if there are trillions of inhabitable life-supporting planets out there and a billion intelligent civilizations that are far more advanced than us, the universe is just so fucking big that they have no hope of ever finding us or any other civilization.
But I'm fine with the idea that the universe is so unfathomably, unbelievably vast that even if there are trillions of inhabitable life-supporting planets out there and a billion intelligent civilizations that are far more advanced than us, the universe is just so fucking big that they have no hope of ever finding us or any other civilization.
Romulus
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If there are billions of civilizations then there has to be levels to it. It's highly unlikely we are at the highest end of advancement. Some could be millions of years ahead of us.
This reminds me of the way humans must have thought a 1,000+ years ago. There were stories and possibilities of crossing the oceans etc, but it was just "impossible." Now we have jets that are literally 4x faster than a 357 magnum bullet. People in those times would have thought that was utter bullshit. Or see that little dot in the sky, that's Mars. One day man will have a robot on the planet, and eventually a human.
The vastness of time is much more difficult to perceive than distance because dozens of incremental breakthroughs are in between them to the point the future looks like magic or bullshit because its so inconvincibly more advanced. We're a timestamp, nothing more. Somewhere, someone is living that magic in the form of technology.
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Muffdraul
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Generally speaking, I have always thought as you do. It's only very recently that I came to accept THE POSSIBILITY that the universe might be too vast for us to even comprehend and too vast for two civilizations to ever find each other. I don't know how to tell you this, but it there's a chance it's not really analogous to chopping down some trees and putting them together and using them to float across an ocean of water to a new continent 2000 years ago. That might be a joke compared to the scale of the universe and the distance between habitable worlds with intelligent life.
Thing is, if it was the case that the universe was teeming with hyper advanced alien civilizations who can go anywhere in the universe they want and have technology that would seem like magic to us, you'd think we would have met them by now.
Also, I'm re-reading my post and trying to figure why you said that about alien civilizations being more advanced than us. Because I already said that.
I_D
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You do realize you're talking about people who are not even remotely close to the best scientists, right? That's why your point isn't valid. You understand this, yes?
And I already agreed that technology and scientific understanding will improve. But that has nothing to do with our capabilities to overcome impossibilities.
It's quite simple: Pure energy, itself, is too slow to be useful for travel; anything with mass doesn't stand a chance, in terms of human capabilities.
On your second point, we mildly agree.
If humans will ever travel the stars, it will be via AI-like mechanisms.
I will concede that, if we can upload our minds into immortal bodies, or create mechanical-sentience, then 'we' will be able to travel the stars.
I don't think I'd call that quite the same thing as humanity breaking the space-barrier, though.
Though, on second-thought, now that I think about it, the human body is nothing but a machine for our mind, anyway.
Maybe a mechanical body would still count as a human?
So, sure... in that regard, it's possible.
We're still talking thousands of years of travel, though. That part is concrete.
The only way to travel the stars is via long, weary travels.
We'll not be bending space, or teleporting, or anything like that; at least not as humans.
But again, I concede: I suppose, with millions of years of resource-farming in our mechanical bodies or using our robot-slaves, it is possible to harvest enough energy to actually create something useful.
But then, if we've already travelled enough to harvest such a sheer volume of resources, is there even really a point in faster travel? By that time, we'd already have covered most of the known universe, just to create a handful of blackholes.
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Romulus
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Let's have a look at what they were saying about flight:
But even if you want to go to another, most would agree Einstein was our greatest mind, and he's nowhere near immune to huge mistakes. There could be more, but considering he lived fairly recently we don't know... yet.
Einstein made his share of errors. Here are three of the biggest
Lucky for us, he was a persistent sort.
www.nbcnews.com
You're just living in a timestamp where you think the current guys have it right. They don't.
A lot of these questions are basic physic questions, so how can we assume what is possible when we don't even know many of the basics?
The 7 biggest unanswered questions in physics
Physicists have solved some of the universe's biggest mysteries. But they're not done yet.
www.nbcnews.com
I do agree about AI, that will be interesting, but I think AI will not only allow us to do things as you said that flesh beings cannot, but aid us in solving problems or workarounds.
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I_D
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I don't.
That's why you're not understanding what I'm saying.
I DO agree with you that science has a long way to go.
I DO agree with you that we will, undoubtedly, discover all sorts of amazing new things.
I DO NOT agree with you that the laws of physics can be broken.
You seem to be suggesting that we will somehow find ways to completely defy everything we already know to be true.
That's where you're wrong.
They're laws.
They're not hypotheses.
They've already been 100% proven.
They cannot be broken.
Objects that contain matter (us) will never be able to travel at any speed relevant to (realistic)human lifespans.
This is an undeniable truth.
Romulus
Member
I disagree. I'm not listening to physics as it occurs in space when scientists can't make sense of it. That's why they are clueless when looking at the galaxies forming from the James Webb, it doesn't make sense to any of them how they form now. If we would have never put the Webb in space would still think those galaxies formed based on our old way of thinking.
Have you looked into what particle accelerators are doing?
Not to mention, it's not impossible that traveling great distances is done in another way we're not aware of. You seem to think all my effort in this debate is just about a rocket pushing some ship to incredible speeds. No its not.
And have you ever listened to the government reports of the craft they've been detecting? Mach 20 with instant acceleration, 300gs of force, no sonic booms, submersible, no exhaust plums. Sounds like our version of physics isn't up to par and someone has found ways around it.
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Puscifer
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>o<Very close up of the little bollocks
I swear man, a "come to jesus" moment is going to be in my future if they keep making up stupid shit like this.
I_D
Member
I disagree. I'm not listening to physics as it occurs in space when scientists can't make sense of it. That's why they are clueless when looking at the galaxies forming from the James Webb, it doesn't make sense to any of them how they form now. If we would have never put the Webb in space would still think those galaxies formed based on our old way of thinking.
Have you looked into what particle accelerators are doing?
Not to mention, it's not impossible that traveling great distances is done in another way we're not aware of. You seem to think all my effort in this debate is just about a rocket pushing some ship to incredible speeds. No its not.
And have you ever listened to the government reports of the craft they've been detecting? Mach 20 with instant acceleration, 300gs of force, no sonic booms, submersible, no exhaust plums. Sounds like our version of physics isn't up to par and someone has found ways around it.
Dude, come on...
You just posted a random blog as your source.
You've gotta do better than this.
You, yourself, are better than this.
And you just said that scientists "can't make sense" of things, and "are clueless."
You're just making stuff up to fit your own narrative.
Humanity has an INSANELY-deep grasp of how our universe works. Literally every single piece of technology we use is based upon well-understood facts.
If you really want to keep going along this path of nonsense, I'm afraid we'll never find a common-ground.
I mean, come on, dude... you just posted a source from a person who is a self-proclaimed fiction-writer.
How are we supposed to continue from here?
sono
Member
The Mexican project have a website with a lot more information than shown at yesterdays hearing
Alien Project : the case of Nasca's mummies, Peru
Alien Project is the web page dedicated to "Nasca's mummies", discovery of bodies and mummified organs in the desert of southern Peru and the DNA and Carbon 14 analysis of these artifacts.
www.the-alien-project.com
If it made up they have been making it up since 2017, xrays, dna tests etc,etc
Very close up of the little bollocks
Of course they look like your typical hollywoodian view of extra-terrestrial life. Add one or two tentacles and that's it.
Romulus
Member
A random blog post. The points still stand. Should be even easier for you to pick apart, but you can't. Tell me what happens on the edge of the universe or the beginning? Explain what happens at the center of a black hole? Explain why we were wrong about the galaxy formations? You're dodging. If we know so much, give me an answer to all those and I'll have more.
Right, then explain why the majority of the universe is filled with dark matter and we have no idea what it is? That sounds like the opposite of what you're trying to say. Do you really think we built massive particle accelerator because we had a complete grasp? No, we don't. We're clueless about space travel. Traveling to our own moon takes 10 years of planning just like it did in the 1960s. Pathetic. Speaking of which, do you even know where the moon came from? We know so much about space and space travel but can't even figure that out. We don't even fully understand the earth's core under our feet.
I get it, we know more than ancient humans and that makes us feel good. We're still incredibly primitive.
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freefornow
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They have mouths, so thats a start.
MilkyJoe
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I'm Englinsh and I have a living teddy bear that drinks vodka. Do you believe me?
![L*][*N*K](/data/avatars/m/842/842515.jpg?1696510303){kind=avatar}
NikuNashi
Member
You have x-rays, ct scans. carbon dating and dna sequenced for your teddy bear?
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
I reckon it would go down pretty well with a cold beer.Very close up of the little bollocks
DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
Member
That thing looks so stupid I’m almost inclined to believe it’s legit.
MilkyJoe
Member
But you mean CT like this?
No but If I did, I'd probably make sure i used equal length bones for the arms and legs, and those femurs sure do look flipped upside-down with the ball joint cut off
hyperbertha
Member
There are good causes for why most intelligent aliens would be bipedal and humanoid. Many scientists have described this. It's just the way evolution works.Any classic 'grey' alien 'body' can easily be dismissed as a hoax. The imagery comes originally from sci fi novels of the 19th century, and was further propagated by sci fi movies and folklore of the 50s & 60s. It's an entirely human invention.
In fact, any alien creature that is predominantly humanoid in appearance can be dismissed. Why on earth would aliens look like humans? We have such a massive diversity of life on this planet alone. The idea that intelligent alien life would look like us is a really great example of the ego of man
We make gods in our image, and aliens also.
hyperbertha
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I_D
Member
How are you not seeing that I agree with you about future technology?
Of course we have more to discover.
But we already know things, too. We're not just wandering around in the dark.
We KNOW that certain things are not possible, and traversing vast distances in a timely manner is one of those things.
And I still think you're not understanding my point.
Yes, it is - technically - possible to create a blackhole (or some other type of spacetime-bendy thing).
But it is not - functionally - possible to create such a thing. To do so would require the entire planet Earth, tens of thousands of times over.
Even if we discover exactly how to do it, and we know exactly how to design it, and we all agree that we should do it, we still won't be able to do it.
All kinds of stuff.
I'm not convinced that Quantum-Entanglement can't be used to communicate, for example.
I'm not convinced that (distant from each other) galaxies do not gravitationally-affect one another.
And I bet the answer to both of those questions can be found within Dark Matter.
I wouldn't be surprised if our universe is one tiny atom in a fabric of other universes.
The Big Bang is probably the result of some of these universes colliding.
It is definitely plausible that all of our low-skill jobs will be replaced by robots, and many of our high-skill jobs will be replaced by AI.
It is almost a certainty that life exists all over the universe.
It is plausible that we may, one day, see signs of such life in the form of radio waves or other radiations.
It is NOT plausible that we will be able to reach them (unless within our solar system) or for them to reach us; unless their lifespans are vastly different from ours.
It is entirely plausible that bacterial life exists on other bodies within our own solar system. Anything with water would be a good candidate. If such a thing exists, we'll probably find it one day (If we fund it).
When we do, it is entirely plausible that it will be DNA-based, meaning it comes from the same place we do; or it might not be DNA-based, which would be awesome.
It is entirely plausible that we (meaning rich people) will be able to upload our minds into machine-brains. At that point, vast space travel will become actually plausible. It will still take a gazillion years to get anywhere, though.
At that point, all of the above-mentioned conversation will potentially become plausible; just simply due to sheer resource-farming over a veeeeeeeeeeery long time.
Romulus
Member
I'm trying, I really am.
What I'm saying can be summed up by your post here about a blackhole. How can we even begin to forecast what is possible with a blackhole when we lack complete understanding of it? You have to fully understand something to exploit it to its full potential. That's like humans in the 1920s talking about the sound barrier being impossible to break before jet engines were a thing. I'm not even saying speed-of-light travel is possible or blackhole travel is either, but I'm saying there are so many aspects of space we don't understand and those could be used to achieve travel methods we don't yet realize. Just trying to conceive millions of years in the future and look at the last 200 years of science, all the things we were dead wrong about. That's a measly 200 years, in thousands of years we'll have a very different view, millions of years even more so.
These vehicles the US Navy and other entities are detecting are reason enough to get a glimpse that someone or something else has a much better handle on physics.
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DeepEnigma
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I_D
Member
So am I.
I think your expectation for a "complete" understanding of something is why you're not getting my point.
There are plenty of things we already know are true.
Just because we don't know every single aspect of every single thing doesn't mean that what we already know to be scientific-law is wrong.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
from reddit translation:
Translations from what I considered noteworthy -Theres a literal fuckload of details given, the body sections at 3hrs in is just a nonstop barrage of their anatomy.
The anatomy portion was spoken in a personal capacity by Dr. Jose Salce Benitez who had 30 years in the Mexican Navy, currently the director of the Navy's Scientific Health Institute and was at one point the director of the Navy's Medical Forensic Service.
- Bodies covered in a diatomic white powder that granted desiccation for extreme natural preservation, was carbon14 dated to: very fkn old (around 1000y)
- Tridactyl (3 fingers 3 toes) no carpals or tarsals with fingers going straight to armbones. I had a hard time with some specifics around here but they cannot grip thumb-wise and as such have to wrap their fingies around objects
- Circular, complete and continuous ribs, having around 14
- Deep/concave cervical spine (neckbones) with other features hinting that the head is retractable similar to turtles
- Strong but very light bone structure much like a bird
- Pneumatized (air/gas formed) cranial cavity, making a large space for oversized brain matter
- Orthopedic implants perfectly fused with skin and bone, composed of what we consider metals for spacing structures and equipment such as cadmium & osmium
- Ocular orbits very broad granting wide field of vision
- A jaw joint, but no teeth. They could swallow foods but not chew
- Spine connects to the center of cranial floor, a rarity that does not occur in primates who have a rear position
- Intact oviducts (fallopian tubes) containing eggs, alleges this is impossible to falsify
- Very broad range of motion in their shoulder joints
- Specimen have intact fingerprints, that are linear and horizontal as opposed to a human's circular prints
- Unique DNA not matching over a million existing sequences. 70% similar to known DNA, 30% unknown. For relevance, lists that humans are less than %5 different to primates and 15% to bacteria meaning the 30% or more the specimen contain is far outside terrestrial parameters
- In summary, the bodies are a non-human species presenting irrefutable differences to written biology/ taxonomy of the evolutionary tree with 0 common ancestors or descendants
Romulus
Member
So am I.
I think your expectation for a "complete" understanding of something is why you're not getting my point.
There are plenty of things we already know are true.
Just because we don't know every single aspect of every single thing doesn't mean that what we already know to be scientific-law is wrong.
Oh, I would say those aspects we don't know are incredibly significant though, let me make that distinction very clear. We don't even understand the center of a black hole outside of theories.
It doesn't end there: ttps://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/01/14/5-things-we-still-dont-know-about-black-holes-and-2-we-do-after-ligo/?sh=518868764cfb
Having a complete understanding of things is exactly how we exploit them as humans. The Wright brothers used wind tunnels for wings that catered to the understanding of drag and lift. If we had no idea how lift worked, we wouldn't have gotten anywhere. Seems insignificant but can make all the difference. Unfortunately, we've got a looooooong way to go before we have a comparable understanding of a black hole. Not even remotely close to early 1900s physics for flight.
And that's just one aspect, black holes are just the tip of the iceberg of what we don't know.
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sono
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The trick will be working within the law of physics.
As has been said at the turn of the last century they did not believe it possible that heavier then air machines could fly.
I agree watching a 747 take off is still science fiction to me but that huge machine really does fly
There are several current fledgling theories as to how we might travel faster than light within the laws of physics, must of which involve bending space in some way .
Back on topic we (humanity) have confirmed radar traces of UAPs doing manoeuvres that would rip apart our current airplanes and kill the pilots with the gs, but there they are.
Does it astonish you as it does me as to how much progress we have made in the last 100 years ?
hyperbertha
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I find it hard to figure out why anyone would think heavier than air objects can't fly when birds exist.
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