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Business Sales-Age December 2020 NPD: Nintendo Switch was the best selling hardware platform in units and dollars for December and 2020.

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Plus people here has very small memory.
They keep pushing TLOU2 have low price (actually $30 since November).
And when a revenue chart is showed against $60 priced games it has no legs lol

I mean TLOU2 have to sell twice of the units of a $60 game to be ahead it in a revenue chart.
Exactly. Plus like you said the original The Last of Us was out of the charts too yet went on to sell 20 million copies. These haters here are incredibly dumb.
 
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Exactly. Plus like you said the original The Last of Us was out of the charts too yet went on to sell 20 million copies. These haters here are incredibly dumb.
The hate the game receive from some in GAF is really a case of study.

I mean it is set as being a bad from a lot in GAF.
Still manage to set record winning 78 public voted GOTY awards :messenger_face_screaming:
 
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Exactly. Plus like you said the original The Last of Us was out of the charts too yet went on to sell 20 million copies. These haters here are incredibly dumb.
TLOU was given away for free for every PS4 bundled during 2015-2020. Those bundled inflated the numbers greatly.

For example BOTW physical sales alone generated more profits than any PS title with physical and digital sales combined to date.
 

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Yes it was the 3rd best selling game of the year in July and fell to 6th by the end of the year,
Ohhhh I understood now... the typical "fell" compared with the big multplatforms released at end of the year.
Did you expect it to chart where? Ahead Madden, Valhala, Cod and AC?

I remember original TLOU not even charting.



Or maybe we need to compare with something more recent like the first and second best selling NPD Sony first-party.



Are you still felling bad about TLOU2 legs?
 
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The only idiot here is you. Oh it stopped selling after the first 3 days huh? Funny because it was in the top 10 in July's NPD. It was most recently in the top 10 selling PS4 games in November which is one of the busiest months of the year. The game has had consistent legs and your salty ass can't do nothing about it.

How does it feel being not very intelligent?
No it didn't stop selling, but the legs are not good at all.
Games with great legs are Nintendo first party, GTA, Rainbow Six Siege.
Games with decent legs are FH4 (a 3 years old game still charting on the Xbox best seller list this December) or Sea of Thieves. GoT has way better legs and outsold TLOUII on PSN on a unit basis. Marvel's Spider-Man is another candidate.


TLOU has bad legs and the numbers prove it.
 

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In contrast for Ghost, December was the first month it didn't chart in the overall list(charted on the Playstation platform list tho).

Ghost is a new IP. Of course it wasn't going to be "as" front loaded as TLOU2.
 
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There's ZERO percent chance it'll be worse, but it's started off better already. Unless, you think 90% of all good games will get delayed till 2022.
Well, yeah, I do agree with you since we’ll get Hitman (which is guaranteed to be at least good) in a few days while in ‘14 we got zilch.

But that recent Jason Schreier tweet got me really worried. We could see all Sony’s first party big hitters delayed ‘till next year including Horizon. And what else big is there from 3rd party, Far Cry 6 maybe? New Battlefield needs to come out asap for the sake of the brand. They’ll be a quite a few next-gen upgrades but idk about that many new games.
 

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How does it feel being not very intelligent?
No it didn't stop selling, but the legs are not good at all.
Games with great legs are Nintendo first party, GTA, Rainbow Six Siege.
Games with decent legs are FH4 (a 3 years old game still charting on the Xbox best seller list this December) or Sea of Thieves. GoT has way better legs and outsold TLOUII on PSN on a unit basis. Marvel's Spider-Man is another candidate.


TLOU has bad legs and the numbers prove it.
Let's ask.

TLOU, Spider-man and GoW has bad legs too? TLOU2 legs are in the same level as these games if not better that some of them.

See how illogical your talks looks?
 
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TLOU was given away for free for every PS4 bundled during 2015-2020. Those bundled inflated the numbers greatly.

For example BOTW physical sales alone generated more profits than any PS title with physical and digital sales combined to date.
You people enjoy making shit up don't you? TLOU was NOT bundled with every PS4 for 5 years LMAO. Fantasy land idiots here.
 
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How does it feel being not very intelligent?
No it didn't stop selling, but the legs are not good at all.
Games with great legs are Nintendo first party, GTA, Rainbow Six Siege.
Games with decent legs are FH4 (a 3 years old game still charting on the Xbox best seller list this December) or Sea of Thieves. GoT has way better legs and outsold TLOUII on PSN on a unit basis. Marvel's Spider-Man is another candidate.


TLOU has bad legs and the numbers prove it.
Ghost outsold TLOU 2 on the US PSN ONLY dumbass. We've been over this. There is a bigger world out there than the US.
 

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TLOU was given away for free for every PS4 bundled during 2015-2020. Those bundled inflated the numbers greatly.

For example BOTW physical sales alone generated more profits than any PS title with physical and digital sales combined to date.
False.

Usual FUD work work here in GAF sorry.
 
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All silly (but amusing) fanboy nonsense aside, I’m intrigued to see where the Switch ends up. Its domination is turning into a form of conquest.

Love them or hate them, Nintendo deliver something absolutely unique in this market. They’ve worked out that people will buy a Switch in addition to another platform.

In terms of ‘family’ of consoles, I really do think it’s got a shot at best selling console of all time.
 
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All silly (but amusing) fanboy nonsense aside, I’m intrigued to see where the Switch ends up. It’s domination is turning into a form of conquest.

Love them or hate them, Nintendo deliver something absolutely unique in this market. They’ve worked out that people will buy a Switch in addition to another platform.

In terms of ‘family’ of consoles, I really do think it’s got a shot at best selling console of all time.
If Nintendo didn't do the same mistakes they did with Wii it could really shine in the late life of the console/handheld.
They have everything in hands to make that happens.
 
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TLOU was given away for free for every PS4 bundled during 2015-2020. Those bundled inflated the numbers greatly.

For example BOTW physical sales alone generated more profits than any PS title with physical and digital sales combined to date.

Got anything to back that claim up? Shouldn't be difficult considering they would have announced it if that were going to be the case.
 

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Nah that is only salty over a game selling well against own personal wishes.
Think like "I hate the game so it needs to sell bad no matter how good it is".
 
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If Nintendo didn't do the same mistakes they did with Wii it could really shine in the late life of the console/handheld.
They have everything in hands to make that happens.
I’ll admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but as much as I love their games, they can boil my piss in equal measure.

My worry is that we see no Pro model, and they just leave it to flounder with a few more releases spread over the next two to three years, but mainly support it with substandard garbage and shovelware.

In contrast, if we see a Pro Model and then a flurry of expected games; Odyssey 2, BoTW 2, Metroid Prime 4, but then a whole new, set of unannounced games - a new Mario Kart, a new 2d Zelda, F Zero, Diddy Kong, Eternal Darkness remake etc etc, then I think they will get a whole new head of steam.

They could never support the Switch again and it would still hit, 80 to 90 million. But do things right, I really do think it could outsell PS2.

Nuts really, when you think about it.
 
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Since SonyGAF is focusing on TLOU2: There's a good chance that Nintendo's 20 year olds ROMs outsold TLOU2. TLOU2 is #6 while ROMs are #9, but Nintendo doesn't give NPD digital numbers. Talent wins.
 

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I’ll admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but as much as I love their games, they can boil my piss in equal measure.

My worry is that we see no Pro model, and they just leave it to flounder with a few more releases spread over the next two to three years, but mainly support it with substandard garbage and shovelware.

In contrast, if we see a Pro Model and then a flurry of expected games; Odyssey 2, BoTW 2, Metroid Prime 4, but then a whole new, set of unannounced games - a new Mario Kart, a new 2d Zelda, F Zero, Diddy Kong, Eternal Darkness remake etc etc, then I think they will get a whole new head of steam.

They could never support the Switch again and it would still hit, 80 to 90 million. But do things right, I really do think it could outsell PS2.

Nuts really, when you think about it.
I'm a bit skeptical about that Pro Model.
People are expecting a good jump in CPU/GPU performance but the reality can be cruel... maybe the Pro model is just a Switch in a better shape with a minor upgrade in processing power.

Why?

Well there is only one way to archive more power with the Pro Switch... asking nVidia to develop a custom chip specific for Switch Pro.
There is no other chip that nVidia actually produce that will give a boost over the actual Switch.

nVidia with custom chips are know to really ask too much... that is why Nintendo choose to buy the old Tegra X1 that nVidia had in stock to make the Switch... it was cheap... so I don't see Nintendo going in the expensive side again even for Switch Pro.

That is why I'm skeptical about the Pro Model.

Of course Nintendo can wait nVidia release a new Tegra based in newer GPUs archs but nothing shows nVidia is really interested in do that.

IMO I don't believe Nintendo needs a Pro Model... they just need new models revisions and a better dock for 4k upscaling in TVs.
 
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I'm a bit skeptical about that Pro Model.
People are expecting a good jump in CPU/GPU performance but the reality can be cruel... maybe the Pro model is just a Switch in a better shape with a minor upgrade in processing power.

Why?

Well there is only one way to archive more power with the Pro Switch... asking nVidia to develop a custom chip specific for Switch Pro.
There is no other chip that nVidia actually produce that will give a boost over the actual Switch.

nVidia with custom chips are know to really ask too much... that is why Nintendo choose to buy the old Tegra X1 that nVidia had in stock to make the Switch... it was cheap... so I don't see Nintendo going in the expensive side again even for Switch Pro.

That is why I'm skeptical about the Pro Model.

Of course Nintendo can wait nVidia release a new Tegra based in newer GPUs archs but nothing shows nVidia is really interested in do that.

IMO I don't believe Nintendo needs a Pro Model... they just need new models revisions and a better dock for 4k upscaling in TVs.
Agree on the Pro Model.

I don’t actually think it will offer the sort of performance boost that will see 3rd party to continue releasing on Switch. That ship has sailed. PS5 and X are leagues ahead and we’re not going to see gimped versions thereof. The Switch is a handheld that can output onto a tv. I’ve never really seen it as a desktop console.

I want the sort of incremental boost that will allow Nintendo first party to still shine. I want BoTW 2 to hit a steady 30fps. I want Metroid to be 60fps without looking like a BBC micro game. I don’t want a lot. I want enough.
 
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I think there is a gap between good legs and bad legs. TLOU2 doesn't have the great legs that Ghosts and Spiderman has, so it's legs are probably similar to the way the vast majority of Sony exclusives perform.

Its always tricky to show legs in a monthly, revenue based chart. We do see that the game has shown legs in some of the European charts.
 

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I wonder if we can extrapolate PS5/XSX hardware sales.
ZhugeEx said on Twitter that PS5 should be in line or slightly lower than PS4 in the same timeframe while XSX+S notably lower than Xbox One.
And we know that PS5>XSX+S for both November and December.
Don't know when we'll get more accurate figures but seems like December was relatively weak for both but especially for Xbox.
 

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I wonder if we can extrapolate PS5/XSX hardware sales.
ZhugeEx said on Twitter that PS5 should be in line or slightly lower than PS4 in the same timeframe while XSX+S notably lower than Xbox One.
And we know that PS5>XSX+S for both November and December.
Don't know when we'll get more accurate figures but seems like December was relatively weak for both but especially for Xbox.
I believe he is guessing based in mat posts.
That is what we know.

PS4 in 2013: ~2m
XB1 in 2013: ~1.82m

PS5 in Nov 2020: > 1.14m (PS4 Nov 2013)
XBS in Nov 2020: < 0.91m (XB1 Nov 2013)

PS5 in Dec 2020: < 0.86m (PS4 Dec 2013)
XBS in Dec 2020: < 0.86m (PS5 Dec 2020)

Zhuge is guessing that (>1.14m) + (<0.86m) is lower or equal to 2m (PS4 2013).
That is not necessary true.... it can be over 2m (eg. 1.25m + 0.8m is more than 2m).

Now XBS 2020 is indeed lower than XB1 2013 (it did lower numbers in both months compared with 2013).... how much lower is the big question.
 
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Since SonyGAF is focusing on TLOU2: There's a good chance that Nintendo's 20 year olds ROMs outsold TLOU2. TLOU2 is #6 while ROMs are #9, but Nintendo doesn't give NPD digital numbers. Talent wins.
SM3DAS is probably ahead of TLOU2 with digital sales in the US. Pretty insane for Roms to outsell the most hype PS4 exclusive.
 

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All silly (but amusing) fanboy nonsense aside, I’m intrigued to see where the Switch ends up. Its domination is turning into a form of conquest.

Love them or hate them, Nintendo deliver something absolutely unique in this market. They’ve worked out that people will buy a Switch in addition to another platform.

In terms of ‘family’ of consoles, I really do think it’s got a shot at best selling console of all time.

PS4 is by far the best-selling console of all time.

Home consoles (PS4) and portable consoles (Switch) cannot be practically compared. They are apples and oranges.

Home consoles are expensive and target engaged users, people willing to spend a lot of money on the ecosystem.

PS4 has sold 115 million units at a high price. But the elephant in the room is the level of user engagement.

PS4 has 46 million PS Plus subscribers and 107 million monthly active users on PSN. Every PS4 owner bought 12 games on average and lots of add-on content.

In fact, PS4 is still outselling the Switch due to the difference in user engagement.


FY 2020 First-Half - Sony G&NS (million yen)

Sales - 1,112,747
Add-on Content - 418,454
Digital Software - 273,243
Network Services - 189,193
Hardware - 97,323
Physical Software - 71,769
Others - 62,765


FY 2020 First-Half - Nintendo (million yen)

Sales - 769,524



PS4 Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 2,310,873 (FY 2018)
Digital Software and Add-on Content - 1,102,231
Hardware - 527,701
Network Services - 326,525
Physical Software - 191,513
Others -162,903


Nintendo Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 1,838,622 (FY 2008)
Wii HW - 617,326
NDS HW - 426,151
Wii SW - 400,398
NDS SW - 260,288
Other - 134,456
 

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PS4 is by far the best-selling console of all time.

Home consoles (PS4) and portable consoles (Switch) cannot be practically compared. They are apples and oranges.

Home consoles are expensive and target engaged users, people willing to spend a lot of money on the ecosystem.

PS4 has sold 115 million units at a high price. But the elephant in the room is the level of user engagement.

PS4 has 46 million PS Plus subscribers and 107 million monthly active users on PSN. Every PS4 owner bought 12 games on average and lots of add-on content.

In fact, PS4 is still outselling the Switch due to the difference in user engagement.


FY 2020 First-Half - Sony G&NS (million yen)

Sales - 1,112,747
Add-on Content - 418,454
Digital Software - 273,243
Network Services - 189,193
Hardware - 97,323
Physical Software - 71,769
Others - 62,765


FY 2020 First-Half - Nintendo (million yen)

Sales - 769,524



PS4 Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 2,310,873 (FY 2018)
Digital Software and Add-on Content - 1,102,231
Hardware - 527,701
Network Services - 326,525
Physical Software - 191,513
Others -162,903


Nintendo Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 1,838,622 (FY 2008)
Wii HW - 617,326
NDS HW - 426,151
Wii SW - 400,398
NDS SW - 260,288
Other - 134,456
PS2 is for consoles and DS for portables.
 

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PS4 is by far the best-selling console of all time.

Home consoles (PS4) and portable consoles (Switch) cannot be practically compared. They are apples and oranges.

Home consoles are expensive and target engaged users, people willing to spend a lot of money on the ecosystem.

PS4 has sold 115 million units at a high price. But the elephant in the room is the level of user engagement.

PS4 has 46 million PS Plus subscribers and 107 million monthly active users on PSN. Every PS4 owner bought 12 games on average and lots of add-on content.

In fact, PS4 is still outselling the Switch due to the difference in user engagement.


FY 2020 First-Half - Sony G&NS (million yen)

Sales - 1,112,747
Add-on Content - 418,454
Digital Software - 273,243
Network Services - 189,193
Hardware - 97,323
Physical Software - 71,769
Others - 62,765


FY 2020 First-Half - Nintendo (million yen)

Sales - 769,524



PS4 Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 2,310,873 (FY 2018)
Digital Software and Add-on Content - 1,102,231
Hardware - 527,701
Network Services - 326,525
Physical Software - 191,513
Others -162,903


Nintendo Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 1,838,622 (FY 2008)
Wii HW - 617,326
NDS HW - 426,151
Wii SW - 400,398
NDS SW - 260,288
Other - 134,456
Dude, Nintendo didn't give a shit about revenue war since it's meaningless.

Profits is the ultimate goal for every business.

Sony made around 11B profits during PS4 era in 7 years.
Nintendo made around 10B profits during Switch era in 3.5 years.




Nintendo Switch is going to overtake PS4 ltd in the next 2 years effortlessly.
 
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PS4 is by far the best-selling console of all time.

Home consoles (PS4) and portable consoles (Switch) cannot be practically compared. They are apples and oranges.

Home consoles are expensive and target engaged users, people willing to spend a lot of money on the ecosystem.

PS4 has sold 115 million units at a high price. But the elephant in the room is the level of user engagement.

PS4 has 46 million PS Plus subscribers and 107 million monthly active users on PSN. Every PS4 owner bought 12 games on average and lots of add-on content.

In fact, PS4 is still outselling the Switch due to the difference in user engagement.


FY 2020 First-Half - Sony G&NS (million yen)

Sales - 1,112,747
Add-on Content - 418,454
Digital Software - 273,243
Network Services - 189,193
Hardware - 97,323
Physical Software - 71,769
Others - 62,765


FY 2020 First-Half - Nintendo (million yen)

Sales - 769,524



PS4 Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 2,310,873 (FY 2018)
Digital Software and Add-on Content - 1,102,231
Hardware - 527,701
Network Services - 326,525
Physical Software - 191,513
Others -162,903


Nintendo Peak Year (million yen)

Sales - 1,838,622 (FY 2008)
Wii HW - 617,326
NDS HW - 426,151
Wii SW - 400,398
NDS SW - 260,288
Other - 134,456
Million or billion Yen?

Pretty sure Switch still wins in the profit department though, overtaking PS4's profit in less than half the time.
 
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PS4 is by far the best-selling console of all time.

Home consoles (PS4) and portable consoles (Switch) cannot be practically compared. They are apples and oranges.

Home consoles are expensive and target engaged users, people willing to spend a lot of money on the ecosystem.

PS4 has sold 115 million units at a high price. But the elephant in the room is the level of user engagement.

PS4 has 46 million PS Plus subscribers and 107 million monthly active users on PSN. Every PS4 owner bought 12 games on average and lots of add-on content.

In fact, PS4 is still outselling the Switch due to the difference in user engagement.

perfection GIF


We now have a new standard of excellence in GAF's long running desperate attempts of coping with Nintendo leading the industry.

And make no mistake, they ARE leading the industry.
 

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We now have a new standard of excellence in GAF's long running desperate attempts of coping with Nintendo leading the industry.

And make no mistake, they ARE leading the industry.

Long-running? Does it date all the way back to the Wii U?

Nintendo home consoles are a 50/50 shot. PlayStation is consistent. And Xbox... well, they try.
 
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Do we have any details on what hardware sales actually were?

Did Switch cross 2m units in December?
 

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I believe he is guessing based in mat posts.
That is what we know.

PS4 in 2013: ~2m
XB1 in 2013: ~1.82m

PS5 in Nov 2020: > 1.14m (PS4 Nov 2013)
XBS in Nov 2020: < 0.91m (XB1 Nov 2013)

PS5 in Dec 2020: < 0.86m (PS4 Dec 2013)
XBS in Dec 2020: < 0.86m (PS5 Dec 2020)

Zhuge is guessing that (>1.14m) + (<0.86m) is lower or equal to 2m (PS4 2013).
That is not necessary true.... it can be over 2m (eg. 1.25m + 0.8m is more than 2m).

Now XBS 2020 is indeed lower than XB1 2013 (it did lower numbers in both months compared with 2013).... how much lower is the big question.

What's your take on XBOX launching in more countries but selling less in comparison to the XB1 in it's established markets and biggest territory? So far from all the info suggests the only place they sold more than the XB1 was the UK and only by a margin of 5K.

People blame production and covid and the latter is definitely a factor. But I'm also sensing a lack of momentum, particularly in comparison to how Sony's PS5. But that's not easy to quantify this early into launch.
 

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Holidays bundled like these were common during those years.



LOL that's not anywhere near the same as what you said. For one the holiday isn't the whole year. Second, some of these bundles were only in certain regions and in limited supply. What you said was that it was bundled with every PS4 that was sold for 5 years which is FAR from the truth.
 
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LOL that's not anywhere near the same as what you said. For one the holiday isn't the whole year. Second, some of these bundles were only in certain regions and in limited supply. What you said was that it was bundled with every PS4 that was sold for 5 years which is FAR from the truth.
Only for PS4 bundled, means for every PS4 bundles. Not every PS4.

And yes, I think for most of the sales bundles there's always TLOU mixed in.
 
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What's your take on XBOX launching in more countries but selling less in comparison to the XB1 in it's established markets and biggest territory? So far from all the info suggests the only place they sold more than the XB1 was the UK and only by a margin of 5K.

People blame production and covid and the latter is definitely a factor. But I'm also sensing a lack of momentum, particularly in comparison to how Sony's PS5. But that's not easy to quantify this early into launch.
Production is half of the issues because while Series X is sold out the Series S is available is most places... of course there is a lot of people that wants the Series X so they will wait and won’t buy the Series S.

About selling in more country I believe Ms Didi made the right more... they were criticized a lot with the “tier 1 countries” on XB1 launch and selling in country A instead country A & B ends the same number of sales.

I believe all the backslash with Halo Infinite and not having a plan B for launch is hurting more compared with the good XB1 launch lineup.

But of course that is the biased opinion.
 

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Only for PS4 bundled, means for every PS4 bundles. Not every PS4.

And yes, I think for most of the sales bundles there's always TLOU mixed in.
Again some of these bundles were very limited and only in certain countries. Heck that $199 PS4 bundle didn't last long at all as stock on it wasn't great. Tons of games get bundled so no real reason to call out TLOU. We could talk about Mario Kart 8 numbers on the Switch and all the holiday bundles it has been in for 3 years too.